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mylittletigger · 10-09-2005, 09:46 PM

Ok so I know Tiggers not ready yet, but he has found a really adorable girlfriend named Trixie who he met at the dog park today, and Trixie's mom was mentioning the possibilty of us breeding them when they were old enough. they're both four months old, tiggers a little younger though. and they both look like they're going to be under four pounds, tigger might be five full grown, and they look identical. its so cute.

anyway... my question is this if we were going to stud him out, how would that go? do we charge anything? and if so how much? or how exactly does that whole issue work? because we were thinking of getting Tigger neutered at six months, but after seeing how enamored he was withTrixie we were considering but not set on studding him only for her that one time.

It'd be cool if I got pick of the litter, if she did in fact concieve. Because I would love to have my own puppy. Tigger, for the time being belongs to my boyfriend and I but if we split, My boyfriend gets Tigger because he paid for him.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Bendless Love · 10-09-2005, 09:58 PM

Stud fee is really not set in stone. I've had it range from $200 to price of a puppy/pick of the litter. Just a word of advice, be careful (for the female/puppies sake) if the person with the female is not an experienced breeder. From what you've said I gather the female will be about 4 lbs, and your little boy about 5. I have found it is safer for the female if she is a little larger than the male...especially when they are that little. If this person is an experienced breeder, and knows what they're doing it's one thing, but if it's just someone who thinks cute little dog+ cute little dog= lots of little dogs & nice cash to boot, then they most likely won't take the necessary precautions to make sure the whelping for such a small female goes safely.

mylittletigger · 10-09-2005, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bendless Love

Stud fee is really not set in stone. I've had it range from $200 to price of a puppy/pick of the litter. Just a word of advice, be careful (for the female/puppies sake) if the person with the female is not an experienced breeder. From what you've said I gather the female will be about 4 lbs, and your little boy about 5. I have found it is safer for the female if she is a little larger than the male...especially when they are that little. If this person is an experienced breeder, and knows what they're doing it's one thing, but if it's just someone who thinks cute little dog+ cute little dog= lots of little dogs & nice cash to boot, then they most likely won't take the necessary precautions to make sure the whelping for such a small female goes safely.

Ok, Yeah I'm not sure if she is experienced and I would hate for poor Tigger to hurt his beautiful girlfriend. He'd probably be better of neutered then, huh?

mustangbee · 10-10-2005, 06:42 AM

hmm, I would find out just how much her Mom knows about breeding,before I'd do anything. As far as cost for being a stud, I'm sure a Breeder will answer. But please look in to it first.

StewiesMom · 10-10-2005, 06:47 AM

If you want one of the puppies, tell her that that is the stud fee.

I just wanted to make sure you know that after your Tigger becomes a daddy, he is not going to be a good house pet.

lilfoot · 10-10-2005, 06:48 AM

I am not a breeder but had pups 3 weeks ago and I gave the stud's mom the pick of the litter...but I would not do this again...I would pay a stud fee because the studs mom will be selling the pup and I don't think I trust who she is selling this pup too...I think she selling for the money and not for the sake of the puppy and I'm having a really hard time with this....I am even thinking of asking her if she would take the price of the puppy instead of the puppy

JPop's Mom · 10-10-2005, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by StewiesMom

If you want one of the puppies, tell her that that is the stud fee.

I just wanted to make sure you know that after your Tigger becomes a daddy, he is not going to be a good house pet.

Just curious, why would Tigger not be a good house pet after becoming a dad? I'm planning to breed my Taz next year and was planning to get pick of the litter to my me #3 in yorkies.

mylittletigger · 10-10-2005, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JPop's Mom

Just curious, why would Tigger not be a good house pet after becoming a dad? I'm planning to breed my Taz next year and was planning to get pick of the litter to my me #3 in yorkies.

I was wondering the same thing. I would love pick of the litter, for the right reason's. I want my own puppy and a playmate for Tigger. He's home alone for eight hours if not sometimes more a day and I hate to think of him just being bored and sleeping all day. Although he has a dozen of toys to play with. She just brought it up, and my boyfriend was like "Yeah Maybe that might be something to look into. There's good money in that, or if you want you can sometimes get the pick of the litter." I told him, " I don't care about the money, I would love to have pick of the Litter. They'd have goregous kids" , and I love Tiggers personality, Trixie is a little shy and wary around Tigger. But her Mom assured me that was because the other day at the dog park someones dog and picked her up by her neck and wouldn't let go, and even after she had grabbed poor Trixie the dog was still connected. The lady was really nice so I don't think that she was bluffing. I'm just really curious as to this whole breeding issue. My other concern is it looks like Tiggers going to be a little bigger and I don't want him to hurt her. He was already trying to mount her yesterday!

feminvstr · 10-10-2005, 07:43 AM

this is a good article that explains responsibilities from both the bitch/dog
its more geared to breeding a bitch but outlines many std service issues and responsiblities

Working With Stud Dog Owners
Stud fees are as wide ranging as the stud dogs themselves. Discuss all expenses involved in breeding to a particular stud. If you are doing a natural breeding, ask if you will be boarding your bitch with them and do they charge a daily boarding fee. How long will the bitch be there? If you are shipping sperm, find out who pays for collecting and shipping of the sperm. Usually the bitch owner pays all expenses involved, but some stud owners provide the sperm under the general stud fee and others split the cost.

When is the stud fee due? How much of a deposit is required if any? When do you pay the balance? Can you send payments as soon as you know the bitch is pregnant? When will the litter application be signed? Most stud owners will not sign a litter registration application until the entire stud fee is collected. Be sure to have money put aside for this expense. Most will let you wait until the pups are several weeks old, or even sold, so that you can collect deposits on the pups and not have such a large outlay of cash.

Quite often the stud fee is paid with a puppy from the resulting litter. Ask if the stud owner wants pick of the litter or if they would accept second pick. Determine if they have a particular sex or color of the pup in mind as the fee. Find out at what age they will want to pick the pup. You cannot sell any of the pups until the stud owner has chosen theirs. Will the stud owner come and pick the pup personally, have someone else do it, or will they want you to choose? If they are not picking the pup up personally, find out who pays to have the pup shipped. Pick of the litters have often been the downfall of the relationship between the bitch and stud owner. In my opinion, it is best to pay a cash stud fee and give the stud owner first option of buying a pup if they choose. That way you can keep the pup you want, get attached and have fun with the pups.

What about the what if's? What if only one or two pups are born? What if the breeding doesn't take at all? The pups are absorbed, aborted, still born, etc? What if they are all of the same sex? What if none or only a few live to eight weeks? Find out in advance what the stud owners policy is for every conceivable scenario. Most stud owners will offer a repeat breeding at no charge if there are no pups from the first attempt. Some will offer another breeding if only one or two pups are born. Find out what is the minimum considered to be a litter. Some charge their stud fee at a certain price based upon the number of pups born. What is the maximum? Who pays the expenses of the repeat breeding? Determine what is acceptable to you.

Get it in writing. Get every little detail in writing. After deciding on a stud or studs and finding out the details, make sure the stud owner(s) put it in writing. If they do not have a contract, offer to write it up for them. I've had contracts come in that weren't even close to what we discussed on the phone! If the contract is not acceptable, edit it and return it to the stud owner for correction or clarification. Be sure everything you discussed and all of the contingencies are in the contract. Remember, more problems occur due to misunderstandings than outright fraud or dishonesty.

When your stud choice has been made, return the finalized contract along with the deposit, if required. Keep in touch with the stud owner as to the progress of your bitch.

here is the link http://devinefarm.net/articles/search.htm

StewiesMom · 10-10-2005, 08:09 AM

The studs that I know mark their territories indoors as well as outdoors forever. My dad's friend breeds Weinereimers and Labs and his studs are constantly humping and marking in their house. I just think its something very important to think about.

RowdysMom · 10-10-2005, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by StewiesMom

The studs that I know mark their territories indoors as well as outdoors forever. My dad's friend breeds Weinereimers and Labs and his studs are constantly humping and marking in their house. I just think its something very important to think about.

I wonder if that would be the case if they were only allowed to stud just that once, and then they were neutered? Does anyone know anything about such a scenario?

StewiesMom · 10-10-2005, 08:40 AM

I'm sure a breeder could answer the question better than I can (someone who has a stud or has had studs in the past), but I know that I would never do it based on that reason alone.

chachi · 10-10-2005, 09:13 AM

If I were not studding my male out regularly I would not stud him out at all. Studding him out once but forever putting up with his marking would not be worth it. I would just buy a puppy if it was me.

YorkieRose · 10-10-2005, 09:41 AM

One of the hardest agreements is to return a puppy to the stud owner. Unless you know and trust them, it is hard to allow someone else to place your pup. It could go anywhere, to any type situation and you have no say at all.

ytsirk27 · 10-10-2005, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by StewiesMom

The studs that I know mark their territories indoors as well as outdoors forever. My dad's friend breeds Weinereimers and Labs and his studs are constantly humping and marking in their house. I just think its something very important to think about.

WELL, Mason must just be an A$$ cause hes hiked his leg and peed allover my wall..and hes only 4 months...GOD, i would hate to see him if he was studded out!!!!!

10-09-2005, 09:46 PM	#1
mylittletigger YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 1,216	Studding... Ok so I know Tiggers not ready yet, but he has found a really adorable girlfriend named Trixie who he met at the dog park today, and Trixie's mom was mentioning the possibilty of us breeding them when they were old enough. they're both four months old, tiggers a little younger though. and they both look like they're going to be under four pounds, tigger might be five full grown, and they look identical. its so cute. anyway... my question is this if we were going to stud him out, how would that go? do we charge anything? and if so how much? or how exactly does that whole issue work? because we were thinking of getting Tigger neutered at six months, but after seeing how enamored he was withTrixie we were considering but not set on studding him only for her that one time. It'd be cool if I got pick of the litter, if she did in fact concieve. Because I would love to have my own puppy. Tigger, for the time being belongs to my boyfriend and I but if we split, My boyfriend gets Tigger because he paid for him. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

10-10-2005, 06:42 AM	#4
mustangbee Donating YT 9000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Carolina :) Posts: 10,616	hmm, I would find out just how much her Mom knows about breeding,before I'd do anything. As far as cost for being a stud, I'm sure a Breeder will answer. But please look in to it first. __________________ Friends are God's way of apologizing for our relatives. "Love & Support Our YT Members" Gina & Princess Member of the SSLS

10-10-2005, 06:47 AM	#5
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	If you want one of the puppies, tell her that that is the stud fee. I just wanted to make sure you know that after your Tigger becomes a daddy, he is not going to be a good house pet. __________________ Kristy & Stewie

10-10-2005, 07:43 AM	#9
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	this is a good article that explains responsibilities from both the bitch/dog its more geared to breeding a bitch but outlines many std service issues and responsiblities Working With Stud Dog Owners Stud fees are as wide ranging as the stud dogs themselves. Discuss all expenses involved in breeding to a particular stud. If you are doing a natural breeding, ask if you will be boarding your bitch with them and do they charge a daily boarding fee. How long will the bitch be there? If you are shipping sperm, find out who pays for collecting and shipping of the sperm. Usually the bitch owner pays all expenses involved, but some stud owners provide the sperm under the general stud fee and others split the cost. When is the stud fee due? How much of a deposit is required if any? When do you pay the balance? Can you send payments as soon as you know the bitch is pregnant? When will the litter application be signed? Most stud owners will not sign a litter registration application until the entire stud fee is collected. Be sure to have money put aside for this expense. Most will let you wait until the pups are several weeks old, or even sold, so that you can collect deposits on the pups and not have such a large outlay of cash. Quite often the stud fee is paid with a puppy from the resulting litter. Ask if the stud owner wants pick of the litter or if they would accept second pick. Determine if they have a particular sex or color of the pup in mind as the fee. Find out at what age they will want to pick the pup. You cannot sell any of the pups until the stud owner has chosen theirs. Will the stud owner come and pick the pup personally, have someone else do it, or will they want you to choose? If they are not picking the pup up personally, find out who pays to have the pup shipped. Pick of the litters have often been the downfall of the relationship between the bitch and stud owner. In my opinion, it is best to pay a cash stud fee and give the stud owner first option of buying a pup if they choose. That way you can keep the pup you want, get attached and have fun with the pups. What about the what if's? What if only one or two pups are born? What if the breeding doesn't take at all? The pups are absorbed, aborted, still born, etc? What if they are all of the same sex? What if none or only a few live to eight weeks? Find out in advance what the stud owners policy is for every conceivable scenario. Most stud owners will offer a repeat breeding at no charge if there are no pups from the first attempt. Some will offer another breeding if only one or two pups are born. Find out what is the minimum considered to be a litter. Some charge their stud fee at a certain price based upon the number of pups born. What is the maximum? Who pays the expenses of the repeat breeding? Determine what is acceptable to you. Get it in writing. Get every little detail in writing. After deciding on a stud or studs and finding out the details, make sure the stud owner(s) put it in writing. If they do not have a contract, offer to write it up for them. I've had contracts come in that weren't even close to what we discussed on the phone! If the contract is not acceptable, edit it and return it to the stud owner for correction or clarification. Be sure everything you discussed and all of the contingencies are in the contract. Remember, more problems occur due to misunderstandings than outright fraud or dishonesty. When your stud choice has been made, return the finalized contract along with the deposit, if required. Keep in touch with the stud owner as to the progress of your bitch. here is the link http://devinefarm.net/articles/search.htm __________________ Kimberly

10-10-2005, 08:09 AM	#10
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	The studs that I know mark their territories indoors as well as outdoors forever. My dad's friend breeds Weinereimers and Labs and his studs are constantly humping and marking in their house. I just think its something very important to think about. __________________ Kristy & Stewie

10-09-2005, 09:58 PM	#2
Bendless Love Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 148	Stud fee is really not set in stone. I've had it range from $200 to price of a puppy/pick of the litter. Just a word of advice, be careful (for the female/puppies sake) if the person with the female is not an experienced breeder. From what you've said I gather the female will be about 4 lbs, and your little boy about 5. I have found it is safer for the female if she is a little larger than the male...especially when they are that little. If this person is an experienced breeder, and knows what they're doing it's one thing, but if it's just someone who thinks cute little dog+ cute little dog= lots of little dogs & nice cash to boot, then they most likely won't take the necessary precautions to make sure the whelping for such a small female goes safely.

10-10-2005, 06:48 AM	#6
lilfoot YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: wisconsin Posts: 769	I am not a breeder but had pups 3 weeks ago and I gave the stud's mom the pick of the litter...but I would not do this again...I would pay a stud fee because the studs mom will be selling the pup and I don't think I trust who she is selling this pup too...I think she selling for the money and not for the sake of the puppy and I'm having a really hard time with this....I am even thinking of asking her if she would take the price of the puppy instead of the puppy

10-10-2005, 08:40 AM	#12
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	I'm sure a breeder could answer the question better than I can (someone who has a stud or has had studs in the past), but I know that I would never do it based on that reason alone. __________________ Kristy & Stewie

10-10-2005, 09:13 AM	#13
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	If I were not studding my male out regularly I would not stud him out at all. Studding him out once but forever putting up with his marking would not be worth it. I would just buy a puppy if it was me. __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

10-10-2005, 09:41 AM	#14
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	stud fee One of the hardest agreements is to return a puppy to the stud owner. Unless you know and trust them, it is hard to allow someone else to place your pup. It could go anywhere, to any type situation and you have no say at all.