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gidget529 07-28-2011 09:55 AM
I couldn't watch the video, either. I read the description, and that was enough to absolutely sicken me. It doesn't surprise me about China - their human rights are deplorable, so why would they treat animals any better than they treat ppl? I cannot fathom the deaths these poor animals are forced to bear. I also think we need to hit China in its pocketbook. As I said before (you all are probaby as tired of hearing it as my family, sorry), I could not believe China was chosen to host the Olympics - a symbol of worldwide comradship in athletics, as well as a HUGE booster of an economy! Just bc China can produce a cheaper product due to poor manufacturing standards, use of inferior (sometimes unsafe) materials, human rights violations, and cruelty to animals does not mean we should purchase these products.

Okay, I'll step down off the soap box before I fall off.

miabellaamoure 07-29-2011 11:20 AM
Does anyone know if there is a way to sign the petition without watching the video...the posted descriptions of the video were enough for me to know this needs to stop.

A direct link to the petition only would be appreciated.:)

Valenie 07-29-2011 11:25 AM
Just click the link you don't have to play the video! Just scroll down and enter your info!

Deuce 07-29-2011 11:39 AM
All I can say is wow...I can't believe anyone could be a part of this. There is no reason for the animals to suffer the way they are, is it so hard to humanely put down an animal before you take its fur or meat?
How can we stop this?

roseylovestosho 07-29-2011 11:40 AM
Wealth doesn't produce these conditions, poverty does. Hitting China in the "pocketbook" will only make things worse, not better. That's just my opinion. Also, every country that is currently industrialized went through a period of poor manufacturing conditions/child labor the United States and all of Europe being prime examples of that. We can't force any country into changing their labor laws just like nobody forced us too. China is industrializing, it is not a developed country yet. Once the country has industrialized, then they will address labor laws...just like we did.

gidget529 07-29-2011 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by roseylovestosho (Post 3616234)
Wealth doesn't produce these conditions, poverty does. Hitting China in the "pocketbook" will only make things worse, not better. That's just my opinion. Also, every country that is currently industrialized went through a period of poor manufacturing conditions/child labor the United States and all of Europe being prime examples of that. We can't force any country into changing their labor laws just like nobody forced us too. China is industrializing, it is not a developed country yet. Once the country has industrialized, then they will address labor laws...just like we did.
I think in a broad overview, you are correct. However, there are other factors other than industrialization that govern how ppl are treated. Regimes in power also dictate how much of the wealth from the industrialization reaches the everyday person, how much "westernilization" they allow "in", etc. So far, China's regime has been resistant to the addressing of human rights. The Soviet Union, although it rose to a "super power" status, was very stiffling to its everyday ppl, continuing to be guilty of human rights violations and poor manufacturing standards, until its ultimate demise - partly due to economic collapse bc of its 10 year war with Afghanistan.

roseylovestosho 07-29-2011 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by gidget529 (Post 3616242)
I think in a broad overview, you are correct. However, there are other factors other than industrialization that govern how ppl are treated. Regimes in power also dictate how much of the wealth from the industrialization reaches the everyday person, how much "westernilization" they allow "in", etc. So far, China's regime has been resistant to the addressing of human rights. The Soviet Union, although it rose to a "super power" status, was very stiffling to its everyday ppl, continuing to be guilty of human rights violations and poor manufacturing standards, until its ultimate demise - partly due to economic collapse bc of its 10 year war with Afghanistan.
The Soviet Union was only regarded as a super power due to its nuclear proliferation, not because it had any real economic growth. Either way, I just don't think boycotting Chinese products is the answer. Economic embargoes do not work.

roseylovestosho 07-29-2011 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by gidget529 (Post 3616242)
I think in a broad overview, you are correct. However, there are other factors other than industrialization that govern how ppl are treated. Regimes in power also dictate how much of the wealth from the industrialization reaches the everyday person, how much "westernilization" they allow "in", etc. So far, China's regime has been resistant to the addressing of human rights. The Soviet Union, although it rose to a "super power" status, was very stiffling to its everyday ppl, continuing to be guilty of human rights violations and poor manufacturing standards, until its ultimate demise - partly due to economic collapse bc of its 10 year war with Afghanistan.
Also, I hope you're not taking what I'm saying the wrong way. Animal abuse is deplorable...but I just think we should work on the animal abuse we have here at home (the US).

gidget529 07-29-2011 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by roseylovestosho (Post 3616265)
Also, I hope you're not taking what I'm saying the wrong way. Animal abuse is deplorable...but I just think we should work on the animal abuse we have here at home (the US).
No, not at all. I overall agree w you about industrialization - I just think other factors play a part also. I guess the economic embargo discussion would be long. They have been effective in some situations. They have failed in others.

I do think the companies themselves do respond to boycotting their products. I do think boycotting certain products, both foreign and domestic, that are made on the backs of abuse animals will get companies' attention.

gidget529 07-29-2011 12:11 PM
I meant "abused animals" - sorry.

roseylovestosho 07-29-2011 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gidget529 (Post 3616273)
No, not at all. I overall agree w you about industrialization - I just think other factors play a part also. I guess the economic embargo discussion would be long. They have been effective in some situations. They have failed in others.

I do think the companies themselves do respond to boycotting their products. I do think boycotting certain products, both foreign and domestic, that are made on the backs of abuse animals will get companies' attention.
Yes, the success of an embargo depends on the ultimate goal. When I said they were unsuccessful I meant if the goal is to destroy a country's economy...that is when it is least likely to work especially if it is only unilaterally implemented. I also agree on boycotting only certain products. I'm not sure about it's success overseas (I haven't really followed that) but domestically I think it really does work. :thumbup:

miabellaamoure 07-29-2011 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Valenie (Post 3616225)
Just click the link you don't have to play the video! Just scroll down and enter your info!
Thank you!:)

CouversMom 07-31-2011 07:28 PM
Oh my lord. I didn't even make it 15 seconds in before I started getting the chills. What human being would skin an animal alive? That was horrible... I cannot get that image out of my head. I am a huge animal rights activist and always will be. I will be signing the petition!

Valenie 08-01-2011 06:23 AM
Your welcome! I wish I would have not watched it gave me nightmares....I haven't had a nightmare since I was a kid :o

LisaD 08-01-2011 07:27 AM
Signed the petition. Could not watch the video. Had to stop it. I have never seen anything so horrible in my life. These people need to be shot or something worse. This is horrible. Does their government not give a damn about anything. I am furious...


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