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livingdustmops · 06-11-2010, 04:55 AM

No dogs for sale? Cities ban pet store animals - Pet health- msnbc.com
No pups for sale? Cities ban pet shops
Movement aims to curb puppy mills, spur shelter adoptions
By Rebecca Dube
msnbc.com contributor
updated 6:27 a.m. MT, Thurs., May 27, 2010
Buying an adorable puppy or kitten at your local pet store may become a thing of the past, if more American cities join a small but growing movement to ban retail pet sales.
West Hollywood, Calif., became the latest city to put a leash on pet sales in February, when its city council unanimously approved an ordinance prohibiting sales of dogs and cats in retail stores. Albuquerque, N.M., and South Lake Tahoe, Calif., have also banned pet sales. Other cities in Florida, New Mexico, Missouri and elsewhere are considering similar bans on the sale of dogs and cats.
Animal advocates say pet store sales fuel the puppy mill industry, where dogs are bred and raised in cramped, unhealthy and inhumane conditions. They have similar concerns about "kitten factories," which are a smaller but growing problem. Efforts to crack down on animal mills have been hindered by limited enforcement resources, so ban proponents are shifting their focus from the supply side to the demand. Far better, they say, to adopt from a local shelter or buy directly from a reputable breeder.

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"People have got to wake up to the fact that [most] dogs coming from pet stores are coming from puppy mills," said Mary Jo Dazey, a stay-at-home mom from St. Louis, Mo., who has been working to shut down puppy mills in her state for several years.
There are no official statistics on how many pet-store dogs come from puppy mills. Between 2 million and 4 million dogs are born in U.S. puppy mills every year, according to the Humane Society of the United States, and many of those dogs do end up in pet stores — in addition to being sold over the internet, through newspaper classifieds and in other venues.
"Every time we do a pet store investigation [after a complaint], we find that puppy mills are the suppliers," said Stephanie Shain, senior director of the Humane Society of the United States' puppy mills campaign.
Shain said she believes that if animal-lovers became better educated, they wouldn't want to buy from pet stores that may be supplied by puppy mills.
Public sentiment does, in fact, seem to be veering away from pet store animals. A recent poll by the Associated Press-Petside.com found that more than half of those surveyed planned to get their next cat or dog from a shelter, seven times the number who said they’d buy from a pet store. And four in 10 said they thought store pets could have hidden physical or psychological problems due to overbreeding or other issues.
A ‘guilt-free shopping experience’
Of course, in cities with bans in places, even if people want to buy from a pet store, they can't. The West Hollywood pet sale ban got a lot of attention, but it was more symbolic than anything else since no pet stores there were actually selling animals when it went into effect. South Lake Tahoe's ban passed in 2009, but doesn't take effect until 2011.

To see what really happens when a city bans pet sales, you have to go to Albuquerque, N.M. The Southwestern city banned sales of "companion animals," including cats and dogs, in 2006, and has seen a marked, positive effect, said Peggy Weigle, executive director of Animal Humane New Mexico .
Since the ban started, animal adoptions have increased 23 percent and euthanasia at city shelters has decreased by 35 percent.
“By stopping these pet shops,” Weigle said, “what you're really doing is you're reducing the demand for puppy-mill puppies.”
At the same time, Weigle said, her private animal shelter has stepped in to fill the place of pet stores for people who want pets but don't necessarily want to brave the city shelter. In February, Animal Humane New Mexico opened a boutique-style adoption center with just a few hand-picked animals — mostly puppies, many of them pure-bred dogs that were abandoned or rescued by the shelter — so that people could "shop" for shelter dogs in a pleasant, retail-like environment.

Her goal was to adopt out 45 animals in the first month; instead, they placed 118 animals in new homes. Adoptions have been so plentiful, Weigle said, that her organization is preparing to open a second adoption boutique. Weigle said she recently had a young purebred Yorkshire Terrier available for adoption for just $135, the standard adoption fee.

"Many people will say, 'Oh, I just can't go to the shelter, it's just too sad,'" Weigle said. "But if you make a guilt-free shopping experience available, and they don't have to be confronted with 100 homeless pets staring them in the face, the shopping experience is very parallel to a pet store. If you give the public a choice to shop in that kind of an environment, they will."

While Albuquerque animal advocates tout their success as a model for other cities, pet store owners argue that it's not fair to take away their livelihood because of a few bad apples. They say puppy-mill and kitten-factory foes should focus instead on cracking down on breeders who are breaking the law.
"The fact of the matter is that puppies sold by pet stores frequently come from highly reputable breeders who provide healthy loving pets to the public," said Michael Maddox, vice president of government affairs and general counsel for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council, an industry group based in Washington, D.C. "Notwithstanding isolated anecdotal stories that misrepresent pet store puppies, the vast majority of customers who bring home their canine companion from a pet store are supremely satisfied with the experience."

Dana Derraugh, owner of Le Petit Puppy in New York City, says she hates puppy mills as much as any animal lover. She specializes in small breeds suited to city life, and sells about five dogs a week from her upscale shop in
"When you go to a shelter, you don't know what you're going to get. A lot of them have emotional baggage. You're taking a risk," Derraugh said. Her clean, homey store, decorated with photos of celebrity clients like Sarah Jessica Parker, sells Pomeranians for $699, Chihuahuas for $799, and something she calls a "Chiweenie" — a Chihuahua-Daschund cross — for $950.
She gives her cell phone number to clients, so they can call anytime with questions or worries about their new puppies. "I feel like my mission is not just to sell the dog, but to hold your hand," Derraugh said.

She said she buys only from reputable breeders, though she declined to name them or say where they are located. Derraugh said eliminating pet store sales would hurt consumers by reducing competition: "The prices will go way up, there will be less puppies."
Laura Ellis, who bred collies on her farm in Vermont for 30 years before moving to New York City, said Derraugh is an example of a dog store owner who gets it right. She bought her Papillion, Penny, from Le Petit Puppy in October after researching every conceivable option.
While she understands why some people might want to rescue a dog from a shelter, that wasn't what she was looking for, and she makes no apologies for it.
"I don't want other people's problems. I just wanted to start fresh," Ellis said.
"The main thing is, [Le Petit’s] puppies are happy. They're high quality, well run, humane. I don't see what there is to complain about," Ellis said. "It's a pretty good life for a puppy."
Rebecca Dube blogs about pets at Pawsly.

Woogie Man · 06-11-2010, 07:27 AM

It's great to see laws like this passed and it's nice to see some shelters responding by offering folks an alternative to the typical 'shelter experience'.

I had to laugh on seeing the responses of pet store owners. I think they're fooling less and less people every time they open their mouths.

Also gonna have to look into the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council. Can't wait to read some of their twisted logic

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Mardelin · 06-11-2010, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogie Man

It's great to see laws like this passed and it's nice to see some shelters responding by offering folks an alternative to the typical 'shelter experience'.

I had to laugh on seeing the responses of pet store owners. I think they're fooling less and less people every time they open their mouths.

Also gonna have to look into the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council. Can't wait to read some of their twisted logic

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Reading the article Pet Stores are already crying th woes. Stating they only buy from reputable breeders. Again, attempting to fool the unsuspecting public as no reputable breeder would sell to a Pet Store.

red98vett · 07-27-2010, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

Reading the article Pet Stores are already crying th woes. Stating they only buy from reputable breeders. Again, attempting to fool the unsuspecting public as no reputable breeder would sell to a Pet Store.

You nailed it. Even PetHell (Pet Land) says they buy from local breeders to customers - The one and only time I was there in Sugar Land Tx years ago just to see the place for myself .....I asked WHERE they buy their puppies (pretty loudly to the clerk while making sure other customers were in hearing range.....and she said they buy from local breeders

ya right !

At the time I was in one of those 'moods' and told the clerk I knew was a flat out lie. I mentioned I knew they are one of the biggest puppy mill customers which is a well known fact

the clerk sputtered and fidgeted around then said she was going to get the manager who would answer my questions.

Then they informed me if I wasn't there to shop I should leave

which I gladly did .....but not before telling them I said I'd never purchase anything from their store - but had only stopped to see how they kept their animals.

but all the way home was in tears because of the poor dogs I saw in wire cages (no toys no nothing) all had no hope in their little eyes. Many looked ill and the faces really haunted me.

People see that cute puppy (with a hefty price tag) in these stores and I can see how people would want to save them ....it's very hard to walk away.

But people need to keep in mind for every dog sold - another takes it's place thus keeping the disgusting mills in business.

Pet Store sales just line the pockets of the stores and the puppy mills who provide them to the stores

Pet stores make a huge profit because they buy cheap and sell high - it lines the pockets of mills because of the mass volume of dogs they sell to them

it's quantity not quality and they could care less about the health of any of the puppies they ship all over the country in hot (or cold) 18 wheeler trucks. Dogs die in transport or are ill and they don't give a DAMN -

not to mention the breeder dogs no one sees being forced to produce more puppies to keep the cycle going.

people never think WHERE the puppies are coming from and the suffering that's prevalent for the poor breeder dogs forced to live their whole lives in cages producing puppies.

More states need to adopt change. It's a vicious cycle.

red98vett · 07-27-2010, 04:30 AM

A bit off subject but here in Houston we have flea markets that sell puppies - it's been on the news often but not much is ever done. Many of the puppies are smuggled across the border from Mexico and come complete with parvo and other horrible illnesses. I wish they'd BAN that too.

I can't tell you how many stories I've heard from people who knew people that bought at flea markets only to have a sick suffering puppy on their hands and in most every story I heard - the puppy died -- all because they bought on impulse at a cheap price.

It's all about the green ....our laws really need to step up and start regulating who is able to sell and monitor them carefully. The problem is - selling live animals is just too damn easy and the laws don't consider it as a crime nor do they take it seriously....too many think 'it's just a dog' - (or a cat or a bird etc)

to me - smuggling pets should be a crime just as serious as smuggling all the other things that enter this country illegally

gemy · 07-27-2010, 12:19 PM

"The fact of the matter is that puppies sold by pet stores frequently come from highly reputable breeders who provide healthy loving pets to the public," said Michael Maddox, vice president of government affairs and general counsel for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council, an industry group based in Washington, D.C. "Notwithstanding isolated anecdotal stories that misrepresent pet store puppies, the vast majority of customers who bring home their canine companion from a pet store are supremely satisfied with the experience."

And of course if asked for a breakdown of these fine responsible breeders, what would the answer be???

Such BS - sure do the ban - or you could even have made it mandatory that each puppy have listed the Breeders Name and Address. These puppy farms are licensed arent they under the Dept of Agriculture. Well hey what, our food has to be labelled for content and source, why not puppies?????

Boutique places to shop for pets, instead of pet stores, ummmmm not too sure that won't be abused soon.

How about Meet the Breeders Booth at all AKC events. Not meet the Breed. MEET the Breeders. An information screening, and gathering place, with absolutely no puppy sales to take place. With free educational seminars to the public about selecting a breeder, you could feature one or two breeds, to educate the public on. Free demos on CGC, higher obedience titles, the absolute fun of Rally, Agility, Fly ball, and Dock Diving.
Not to menton Doggy Frisbee, Tracking, Water Rescue, Service Dogs, the list could go on and on. How about How to hike safely with your dog, how to put on life jackets, seminars on the various ways to keep your dog safe in the car, Crates there place and use. Tie outs to do or not. Nutrional seminars.

Fluffy is not just a lap dog. They can be trained to do so much more. In fact many would welcome the stimulation.

And while my dog can give so much to me, I too can give back.

maryann amodei · 01-03-2011, 10:07 PM

so happy close thoes pet shops.

Carleney02 · 01-03-2011, 10:19 PM

I agree pet store are horrible however all these so called rescue groups out there are a big crock and most are scams i have been looking to adopt a yorkie and i have searched high and low i dont care about age sex or even bloodlines and i kinda wanted to do a rescue its very rewarding but everytime i find one that has a yorkie they want to charge me an arm a leg an ear and other parts!!!!! Im sorry but if i wanted to dish out hundreds of dollars i would definately go to a respectable breeder!! i wont even buy my fish from petland i have a huge tank of african chichlids and i buy from private breeders its much safer that way! and while were on the topic of petland my sister went there this weekend and bought a huggy a pug and huskey mix two days later she had to rush it to the vet it has a upper respitory infection and kennel cough!! really petland all the employees u have that just stand around and all the money u charge for your animals couldnt u take a little better care of these babies!!!!!!!

roseslevi · 01-05-2011, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Carleney02

I agree pet store are horrible however all these so called rescue groups out there are a big crock and most are scams i have been looking to adopt a yorkie and i have searched high and low i dont care about age sex or even bloodlines and i kinda wanted to do a rescue its very rewarding but everytime i find one that has a yorkie they want to charge me an arm a leg an ear and other parts!!!!! Im sorry but if i wanted to dish out hundreds of dollars i would definately go to a respectable breeder!! i wont even buy my fish from petland i have a huge tank of african chichlids and i buy from private breeders its much safer that way! and while were on the topic of petland my sister went there this weekend and bought a huggy a pug and huskey mix two days later she had to rush it to the vet it has a upper respitory infection and kennel cough!! really petland all the employees u have that just stand around and all the money u charge for your animals couldnt u take a little better care of these babies!!!!!!!

How do you think rescue groups are able to keep rescuing dogs, feed them, perform necessary medical procedures on animals that are rescued? Pay rent, buy medical supplies, pay transport cost? They need to charge money to recoup what they have spent on an animals. It is not fair to say that all these so called rescue groups out there are a big crock. I have never met anyone from a rescue group that did not have the animals best intentions in mind. You should not generalize such a statement.

Yorkiedaze · 01-05-2011, 11:48 AM

Not all Rescue Groups are in it for the money, but I do have to say that I know of two that are. One is very popular, has been in trouble in the past, and if you see the price of adoptions, you know why. The other just takes dogs in, doesn't spend money on their medical needs, and then just adopts out.

I wouldn't put all rescue groups down by a long shot though, but just do your homework before adopting from rescue as well.

The dogs that need a home the most are those in shelters. Shelters do take care of the animals medical needs, but most are kill shelters that don't hold them very long. So sad.

DvlshAngel985 · 01-05-2011, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by roseslevi

How do you think rescue groups are able to keep rescuing dogs, feed them, perform necessary medical procedures on animals that are rescued? Pay rent, buy medical supplies, pay transport cost? They need to charge money to recoup what they have spent on an animals. It is not fair to say that all these so called rescue groups out there are a big crock. I have never met anyone from a rescue group that did not have the animals best intentions in mind. You should not generalize such a statement.

I agree. Plus, a dog from a respectable, responsible breeder will also be spending money on the pups. Why do you think respectable, responsible breeders charge $1,000 for a dog?
$1000 vs $300 or maybe $400 is a big difference. I will say I have seen rescues charge more for younger healthier dogs because they're more desirable. It makes sense when they have other dogs that need medical care. Where do you think that money comes from?

megansmomma · 01-05-2011, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Carleney02

I agree pet store are horrible however all these so called rescue groups out there are a big crock and most are scams i have been looking to adopt a yorkie and i have searched high and low i dont care about age sex or even bloodlines and i kinda wanted to do a rescue its very rewarding but everytime i find one that has a yorkie they want to charge me an arm a leg an ear and other parts!!!!! Im sorry but if i wanted to dish out hundreds of dollars i would definately go to a respectable breeder!! i wont even buy my fish from petland i have a huge tank of african chichlids and i buy from private breeders its much safer that way! and while were on the topic of petland my sister went there this weekend and bought a huggy a pug and huskey mix two days later she had to rush it to the vet it has a upper respitory infection and kennel cough!! really petland all the employees u have that just stand around and all the money u charge for your animals couldnt u take a little better care of these babies!!!!!!!

What do you mean by hundreds of dollars?

My Bogey is from a shelter and I paid $65 and was returned $40 after proof of neuter. My Doodlebug was $300 but he was a puppy. Several hundred is really a deal when you consider a rescue come to you fully vetted and spayed/neutered. There are also rescues that are not reputable and are brokers or breeders in disguise looking to make money off unsuspecting people. Make sure that you check their non profit status. Good luck with your search.

Carleney02 · 01-05-2011, 05:18 PM

First just let me say that I DID NOT MEAN ALL RESCUES! i have also adopted from a orginization in the past and everything was fine, i do realize that adoption fees are set to help recoup monies and help other animals as well and thats fine. However i have contacted only a few since my search for a yorkie began and when i found a pup i was interested made contact now mind you on this rescues website it states that adoption fees for cats is 45 and dogs 100 but when i contacted and ask about the yorkie the fee was 5 times what the website stated. so this lead me to ask questions did the pup have to have major vet care, surgery what was the reason for the price jack. the response i got was that the pup was in perfect health and other than routine shots and spaying there was no other needs for this particular dog. yorkies were highly adoptable and that people would pay more..... this didnt seem very fair and was also misleading according to what the website itself stated. Another one i contacted turned out to not really be a rescue at all but a woman that was breeding dogs and tryin to pass it off as a rescue. i apoligize to all who misunderstood what i typed

megansmomma · 01-05-2011, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Carleney02

First just let me say that I DID NOT MEAN ALL RESCUES! i have also adopted from a orginization in the past and everything was fine, i do realize that adoption fees are set to help recoup monies and help other animals as well and thats fine. However i have contacted only a few since my search for a yorkie began and when i found a pup i was interested made contact now mind you on this rescues website it states that adoption fees for cats is 45 and dogs 100 but when i contacted and ask about the yorkie the fee was 5 times what the website stated. so this lead me to ask questions did the pup have to have major vet care, surgery what was the reason for the price jack. the response i got was that the pup was in perfect health and other than routine shots and spaying there was no other needs for this particular dog. yorkies were highly adoptable and that people would pay more..... this didnt seem very fair and was also misleading according to what the website itself stated. Another one i contacted turned out to not really be a rescue at all but a woman that was breeding dogs and tryin to pass it off as a rescue. i apoligize to all who misunderstood what i typed

You do have to be very careful who you are dealing with since there are plenty of people willing to scam you out of your money with the promise of a puppy. Did you see this thread? I knew they were scammers so I just played along.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...se-beware.html

Carleney02 · 01-06-2011, 08:09 AM

I just finished reading your scam post and something jumped out at me the person who tried to scam me used the same test question and answer for the western union transfer and a lot of the things this tiffany said sounded almost exactly like the person who scammed me!!!! only this person of course said there name was samantha and she supposedly lived in Florida and used the yahoo messenger name cidney_jane which she still uses becuz i have her on my friends list and see her online almost everyday!

06-11-2010, 04:55 AM	#1
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	Movement aims to curb puppy mills, helps shelter adoptions No dogs for sale? Cities ban pet store animals - Pet health- msnbc.com No pups for sale? Cities ban pet shops Movement aims to curb puppy mills, spur shelter adoptions By Rebecca Dube msnbc.com contributor updated 6:27 a.m. MT, Thurs., May 27, 2010 Buying an adorable puppy or kitten at your local pet store may become a thing of the past, if more American cities join a small but growing movement to ban retail pet sales. West Hollywood, Calif., became the latest city to put a leash on pet sales in February, when its city council unanimously approved an ordinance prohibiting sales of dogs and cats in retail stores. Albuquerque, N.M., and South Lake Tahoe, Calif., have also banned pet sales. Other cities in Florida, New Mexico, Missouri and elsewhere are considering similar bans on the sale of dogs and cats. Animal advocates say pet store sales fuel the puppy mill industry, where dogs are bred and raised in cramped, unhealthy and inhumane conditions. They have similar concerns about "kitten factories," which are a smaller but growing problem. Efforts to crack down on animal mills have been hindered by limited enforcement resources, so ban proponents are shifting their focus from the supply side to the demand. Far better, they say, to adopt from a local shelter or buy directly from a reputable breeder. ________________________________________ "People have got to wake up to the fact that [most] dogs coming from pet stores are coming from puppy mills," said Mary Jo Dazey, a stay-at-home mom from St. Louis, Mo., who has been working to shut down puppy mills in her state for several years. There are no official statistics on how many pet-store dogs come from puppy mills. Between 2 million and 4 million dogs are born in U.S. puppy mills every year, according to the Humane Society of the United States, and many of those dogs do end up in pet stores — in addition to being sold over the internet, through newspaper classifieds and in other venues. "Every time we do a pet store investigation [after a complaint], we find that puppy mills are the suppliers," said Stephanie Shain, senior director of the Humane Society of the United States' puppy mills campaign. Shain said she believes that if animal-lovers became better educated, they wouldn't want to buy from pet stores that may be supplied by puppy mills. Public sentiment does, in fact, seem to be veering away from pet store animals. A recent poll by the Associated Press-Petside.com found that more than half of those surveyed planned to get their next cat or dog from a shelter, seven times the number who said they’d buy from a pet store. And four in 10 said they thought store pets could have hidden physical or psychological problems due to overbreeding or other issues. A ‘guilt-free shopping experience’ Of course, in cities with bans in places, even if people want to buy from a pet store, they can't. The West Hollywood pet sale ban got a lot of attention, but it was more symbolic than anything else since no pet stores there were actually selling animals when it went into effect. South Lake Tahoe's ban passed in 2009, but doesn't take effect until 2011. To see what really happens when a city bans pet sales, you have to go to Albuquerque, N.M. The Southwestern city banned sales of "companion animals," including cats and dogs, in 2006, and has seen a marked, positive effect, said Peggy Weigle, executive director of Animal Humane New Mexico . Since the ban started, animal adoptions have increased 23 percent and euthanasia at city shelters has decreased by 35 percent. “By stopping these pet shops,” Weigle said, “what you're really doing is you're reducing the demand for puppy-mill puppies.” At the same time, Weigle said, her private animal shelter has stepped in to fill the place of pet stores for people who want pets but don't necessarily want to brave the city shelter. In February, Animal Humane New Mexico opened a boutique-style adoption center with just a few hand-picked animals — mostly puppies, many of them pure-bred dogs that were abandoned or rescued by the shelter — so that people could "shop" for shelter dogs in a pleasant, retail-like environment. Her goal was to adopt out 45 animals in the first month; instead, they placed 118 animals in new homes. Adoptions have been so plentiful, Weigle said, that her organization is preparing to open a second adoption boutique. Weigle said she recently had a young purebred Yorkshire Terrier available for adoption for just $135, the standard adoption fee. "Many people will say, 'Oh, I just can't go to the shelter, it's just too sad,'" Weigle said. "But if you make a guilt-free shopping experience available, and they don't have to be confronted with 100 homeless pets staring them in the face, the shopping experience is very parallel to a pet store. If you give the public a choice to shop in that kind of an environment, they will." While Albuquerque animal advocates tout their success as a model for other cities, pet store owners argue that it's not fair to take away their livelihood because of a few bad apples. They say puppy-mill and kitten-factory foes should focus instead on cracking down on breeders who are breaking the law. "The fact of the matter is that puppies sold by pet stores frequently come from highly reputable breeders who provide healthy loving pets to the public," said Michael Maddox, vice president of government affairs and general counsel for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council, an industry group based in Washington, D.C. "Notwithstanding isolated anecdotal stories that misrepresent pet store puppies, the vast majority of customers who bring home their canine companion from a pet store are supremely satisfied with the experience." Dana Derraugh, owner of Le Petit Puppy in New York City, says she hates puppy mills as much as any animal lover. She specializes in small breeds suited to city life, and sells about five dogs a week from her upscale shop in "When you go to a shelter, you don't know what you're going to get. A lot of them have emotional baggage. You're taking a risk," Derraugh said. Her clean, homey store, decorated with photos of celebrity clients like Sarah Jessica Parker, sells Pomeranians for $699, Chihuahuas for $799, and something she calls a "Chiweenie" — a Chihuahua-Daschund cross — for $950. She gives her cell phone number to clients, so they can call anytime with questions or worries about their new puppies. "I feel like my mission is not just to sell the dog, but to hold your hand," Derraugh said. She said she buys only from reputable breeders, though she declined to name them or say where they are located. Derraugh said eliminating pet store sales would hurt consumers by reducing competition: "The prices will go way up, there will be less puppies." Laura Ellis, who bred collies on her farm in Vermont for 30 years before moving to New York City, said Derraugh is an example of a dog store owner who gets it right. She bought her Papillion, Penny, from Le Petit Puppy in October after researching every conceivable option. While she understands why some people might want to rescue a dog from a shelter, that wasn't what she was looking for, and she makes no apologies for it. "I don't want other people's problems. I just wanted to start fresh," Ellis said. "The main thing is, [Le Petit’s] puppies are happy. They're high quality, well run, humane. I don't see what there is to complain about," Ellis said. "It's a pretty good life for a puppy." Rebecca Dube blogs about pets at Pawsly. __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

06-11-2010, 07:27 AM	#2
Woogie Man Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,564	It's great to see laws like this passed and it's nice to see some shelters responding by offering folks an alternative to the typical 'shelter experience'. I had to laugh on seeing the responses of pet store owners. I think they're fooling less and less people every time they open their mouths. Also gonna have to look into the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council. Can't wait to read some of their twisted logic . __________________ ORANGUTANS ARE DYING FOR THE SAKE OF CHEAP PALM OIL....AND YOU USE IT!!! http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/ani...m-oil-you.html

07-27-2010, 04:30 AM	#5
red98vett Yorkie Kisses are the Best! Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Houston TX Posts: 33,590 Blog Entries: 1	A bit off subject but here in Houston we have flea markets that sell puppies - it's been on the news often but not much is ever done. Many of the puppies are smuggled across the border from Mexico and come complete with parvo and other horrible illnesses. I wish they'd BAN that too. I can't tell you how many stories I've heard from people who knew people that bought at flea markets only to have a sick suffering puppy on their hands and in most every story I heard - the puppy died -- all because they bought on impulse at a cheap price. It's all about the green ....our laws really need to step up and start regulating who is able to sell and monitor them carefully. The problem is - selling live animals is just too damn easy and the laws don't consider it as a crime nor do they take it seriously....too many think 'it's just a dog' - (or a cat or a bird etc) to me - smuggling pets should be a crime just as serious as smuggling all the other things that enter this country illegally __________________ Villette, Chanel & Cheri www.DesignsByVillette.net Custom Address Labels and Note Cards using YOUR Photos! Just Click HERE! Last edited by red98vett; 07-27-2010 at 04:32 AM.

07-27-2010, 12:19 PM	#6
gemy YT 2000 Club Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Huntsville,Ont,Canaada Posts: 12,335 Blog Entries: 2	"The fact of the matter is that puppies sold by pet stores frequently come from highly reputable breeders who provide healthy loving pets to the public," said Michael Maddox, vice president of government affairs and general counsel for the Pet Industry Joint Advisory Council, an industry group based in Washington, D.C. "Notwithstanding isolated anecdotal stories that misrepresent pet store puppies, the vast majority of customers who bring home their canine companion from a pet store are supremely satisfied with the experience." And of course if asked for a breakdown of these fine responsible breeders, what would the answer be??? Such BS - sure do the ban - or you could even have made it mandatory that each puppy have listed the Breeders Name and Address. These puppy farms are licensed arent they under the Dept of Agriculture. Well hey what, our food has to be labelled for content and source, why not puppies????? Boutique places to shop for pets, instead of pet stores, ummmmm not too sure that won't be abused soon. How about Meet the Breeders Booth at all AKC events. Not meet the Breed. MEET the Breeders. An information screening, and gathering place, with absolutely no puppy sales to take place. With free educational seminars to the public about selecting a breeder, you could feature one or two breeds, to educate the public on. Free demos on CGC, higher obedience titles, the absolute fun of Rally, Agility, Fly ball, and Dock Diving. Not to menton Doggy Frisbee, Tracking, Water Rescue, Service Dogs, the list could go on and on. How about How to hike safely with your dog, how to put on life jackets, seminars on the various ways to keep your dog safe in the car, Crates there place and use. Tie outs to do or not. Nutrional seminars. Fluffy is not just a lap dog. They can be trained to do so much more. In fact many would welcome the stimulation. And while my dog can give so much to me, I too can give back. __________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018

01-03-2011, 10:19 PM	#8
Carleney02 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: McArthur ohio usa Posts: 13 Blog Entries: 1	A big mess I agree pet store are horrible however all these so called rescue groups out there are a big crock and most are scams i have been looking to adopt a yorkie and i have searched high and low i dont care about age sex or even bloodlines and i kinda wanted to do a rescue its very rewarding but everytime i find one that has a yorkie they want to charge me an arm a leg an ear and other parts!!!!! Im sorry but if i wanted to dish out hundreds of dollars i would definately go to a respectable breeder!! i wont even buy my fish from petland i have a huge tank of african chichlids and i buy from private breeders its much safer that way! and while were on the topic of petland my sister went there this weekend and bought a huggy a pug and huskey mix two days later she had to rush it to the vet it has a upper respitory infection and kennel cough!! really petland all the employees u have that just stand around and all the money u charge for your animals couldnt u take a little better care of these babies!!!!!!!

01-03-2011, 10:07 PM	#7
maryann amodei YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: phila. pa. Posts: 3	so happy close thoes pet shops.

01-05-2011, 11:48 AM	#10
Yorkiedaze My hairy-legged girls Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: lompoc, ca. Posts: 12,228	Not all Rescue Groups are in it for the money, but I do have to say that I know of two that are. One is very popular, has been in trouble in the past, and if you see the price of adoptions, you know why. The other just takes dogs in, doesn't spend money on their medical needs, and then just adopts out. I wouldn't put all rescue groups down by a long shot though, but just do your homework before adopting from rescue as well. The dogs that need a home the most are those in shelters. Shelters do take care of the animals medical needs, but most are kill shelters that don't hold them very long. So sad. __________________ AZRAEL RAZAEL JILLI ANN

01-05-2011, 05:18 PM	#13
Carleney02 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: McArthur ohio usa Posts: 13 Blog Entries: 1	Clarifying First just let me say that I DID NOT MEAN ALL RESCUES! i have also adopted from a orginization in the past and everything was fine, i do realize that adoption fees are set to help recoup monies and help other animals as well and thats fine. However i have contacted only a few since my search for a yorkie began and when i found a pup i was interested made contact now mind you on this rescues website it states that adoption fees for cats is 45 and dogs 100 but when i contacted and ask about the yorkie the fee was 5 times what the website stated. so this lead me to ask questions did the pup have to have major vet care, surgery what was the reason for the price jack. the response i got was that the pup was in perfect health and other than routine shots and spaying there was no other needs for this particular dog. yorkies were highly adoptable and that people would pay more..... this didnt seem very fair and was also misleading according to what the website itself stated. Another one i contacted turned out to not really be a rescue at all but a woman that was breeding dogs and tryin to pass it off as a rescue. i apoligize to all who misunderstood what i typed

01-06-2011, 08:09 AM	#15
Carleney02 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: McArthur ohio usa Posts: 13 Blog Entries: 1	HA! I just finished reading your scam post and something jumped out at me the person who tried to scam me used the same test question and answer for the western union transfer and a lot of the things this tiffany said sounded almost exactly like the person who scammed me!!!! only this person of course said there name was samantha and she supposedly lived in Florida and used the yahoo messenger name cidney_jane which she still uses becuz i have her on my friends list and see her online almost everyday!