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04-21-2010, 10:00 PM | #1 |
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| Dog Auctions You can see actual auctions on the left hand side menu...after you read the articles. YOu have puppymills and dog auctions.. Help us stop Oklahoma Puppy Mills Now! Home
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04-24-2010, 04:06 AM | #2 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member | It's disgusting, but honestly Cindy, this one looked like a Sotheby's auction compared to those auctions they used to have in my town. I wish I had been smart and brave enough to wear a hidden camera bc otherwise you just would have to be there to get the full affect. It was an old dingy metal building, the second you walked in the stench of dog urine and feces hit your nose.....and the noise was awful, puppies and dogs barking, crying, moaning, and the voice of the auctioneer on a speaker system, rattling off selling points, like....."this one is money in the bank"....."easy money, this one is pregnant"......"this boy is ready to go to work for you"......"a bichon frise and a yorkie - get you some nice little yorkiechons - those are big sellers!". In the back room they kept the dogs, it was poorly lit, filthy, and the cages were stacked on top of each other halfway to the ceiling. Each cage was filled with an array of dogs, mostly toy breeds. It was obvious some dogs were not in good health at all, and every one of them looked miserable, and scared out of their minds. Their eyes looking back at me were so pitiful, I will never forget - NEVER! This was an Amish run auction and around here the Amish kids are indoctrinated into this life at an early age. There were literally 5-6 y/o kids, they would have hold those dogs on the bidding table. I saw them drop the dogs, hold them by their legs, of course puppies were being held too tightly by them. These kids heads would barely be above the table! And the buying crowd.....OMG.....out of approx the 50-60 that would attend you would be hard pressed to find a full set of teeth between them all (with the exception of the rescuers). I often commented rescuers couldn't hide themselves there.....they were the only ones that showed up in clean clothing. I would sit there and listen to snippets of disgusting breeder conversations and get sicker by the minute. Breeders talking to each other about how puppy sales were down this year, and they didn't know what they were going to do. Another mentioned she was there to buy dogs for resell to medical research, because brokers didn't pay enough anymore. One talked about how she had so many dogs now, she was going to have to downsize, between the dogs and puppies she had over 100. One of the auctions a Japanese Chin gave birth in the back room. One of the pups died and was thrown underneath the table they were using for microchipping and where you picked up the dogs you bought.......poor baby, just laying there dead, I went home and cried buckets!! And, of course being an Amish run auction, there has to be food, right? here we are in the filthiest conditions ever....and people would walk by you with their bowls of chicken/noodles, frito chili pie, and donuts. MMMmmm, MMmmm! I was so sickened by it all, I literally could not eat the entire day and sometimes not even the next day. After learning more, I don't agree with buying the auction dogs. I know for every one bought, the greeders would replace it with two or more. Even though they weren't getting much money out of their dogs at these auctions, it was more than brokers paid and at least - it was selling some dogs in a tough economy. Like I said, I don't agree with buying these dogs anymore....but I'm so glad I did get the few out of their life of hell that I did....at least for them the nightmare has ended. Fortunately this local auction house shut down. I would like to think it's because the owner finally got a conscience, but know it was because they weren't making enough $$. Sadly, the breeders that used to frequent this auction just moved on to another auction house up the highway in Missouri. I so wished I had worn the hidden camera....this post wouldn't have been so long - sorry!
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04-24-2010, 07:06 AM | #3 |
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| Your post painted a picture as clear as any camera could. Did you happen to notice an AKC rep there? I posted an article in the other thread that described a rep 'setting them up' with AKC papers.
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04-24-2010, 07:13 AM | #4 |
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| There are some images that never leave your mind..they are burned in and force you to face many things about mankind. In my case it was seeing and being in the death room. Trash cans everywhere full of dead cats & dogs. The surplus. Jen, the courage it took for you to attend an auction is unbelievable..I am sure you were so upset you were trembling and it took everything in you not to go crazy. Thank you for posting what you witnessed. Maybe someone will read this and it will change their life. I see changes coming, slow but they are coming.
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04-24-2010, 08:05 AM | #5 |
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| Thanks for posting...I am really sorry, but I just can't open the links, I have seen it before, and the images still haunt me It was probably about 4 years ago that I was brave enough to look, and it was horrible, I knew about the mills, but had NO IDEA there was this such a thing!!!! It really, really, really makes me "dis-like" alot of folks out there...I know alot of these people are either farm families or used to be farm families, and just as I try to boycot China stuff, I would really love to Boyout anything from these states as well I am still so shocked that we have this stuff going on....IDK, why aren't the Humane Societies, etc... able to get thru ???? |
04-24-2010, 09:05 AM | #6 | |
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They did have signs posted throughout the place, warning "NO CAMERAS or cell phones, they will be confiscated, you will be escorted off the premises and can retrieve your property at the sheriff's office".
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04-24-2010, 09:13 AM | #7 | |
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Cindy, I can't even imagine the horror of a death room...OMG, how do you get past that, bless you! You're right about the changes I see it too, but the pace is maddeningly slow
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04-24-2010, 09:18 AM | #8 | |
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04-24-2010, 09:50 AM | #9 | |
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04-24-2010, 10:00 AM | #10 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member | I'm crying with you sweetie. Either way the poor dogs lose.
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04-24-2010, 10:03 AM | #11 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member | Pages 16 & 17....interesting reading AKC take on auctions. http://www.akc.org/pdfs/about/specia...VBC_finalA.pdf Recommendation: The committee unanimously recommends that all dogs going through auction be at least 8 weeks old and microchipped. Background: The High Volume Breeders Committee addressed the issue of AKCregistered dogs being sold at auction as frequently and with as much fervor as any subject under discussion. There was general agreement on several points: 1. Auctions are not an appropriate venue for selling purebred dogs. 2. Auctions are a blight on all dog breeding and on the commercial industry in particular, and many commercial breeders we spoke to in that community would like to see them eliminated as well. 3. There is really no positive aspect of these auctions. The objections to dog auctions go beyond just the care and conditions of the kennels at which these sales are sometimes held. Today many auctions are held at places of business designed expressly for that purpose! Often, very young dogs, even those not yet weaned, are sold, and many of the other dogs are sick, old and in bad physical condition. Many committee members felt that dogs ought not to be sold under conditions 16 that prevail at livestock auctions. Others felt that the auctions themselves give an unfavorable impression that can be used against all dog breeders and the AKC. The committee very quickly realized that the formulation of rules that would be in the best interest of the dogs and the AKC was a much more difficult task than we imagined. It would be a simple matter to prohibit the sale of any AKC registered dog at an auction with heavy penalties attached. But what would prohibit a breeder from selling a dog at such an auction without its registration papers and then merely sending in the transfers? What would prohibit a breeder from using papers from another registry where it is dual – registered at the time of the auction and then forwarding the AKC papers to the new owner later? Unless an AKC investigator was present at every auction to review the paperwork of every dog sold and to follow up through the final transaction, this could not be done easily. It was also the committee’s opinion that even having our inspectors present at the auctions would give an appearance of legitimacy to the activity that we wanted to eliminate. Additionally, if a breeder wanted to sell dogs at auction, then he could simply remove them from AKC’s registry and move them into one of the many other competing ones. The committee agreed that this was in no one’s best interest, certainly not the dog’s, whose well being would then not be subject to our care and conditions requirements. The committee then discussed the possibility of allowing our dogs to be sold at “dispersal” auctions but not at “consignment” auctions, and thereby reduce the hardship on the breeders who were already in dire straits and on shelters that might receive their animals, However, the committee learned that many kennels appeared to be “going out of business” frequently for the purpose of merchandising their dogs. USDA noted the same trend and has recently tightened its policies regarding dispersal auctions. Hanging over all of these discussions was the knowledge of the difficulty of enforcing any rules we might formulate, given the loose organization of the auctions themselves. All committee members agreed that we did not want to introduce rules that could not be comprehensively enforced. Much of the discussion concerning auctions was based on an assumption that fewer AKC dogs were going through auction than turned out to be the case. While the larger number made the auction activity more disturbing, it also made the possibility of eliminating them much more complicated. This constitutes a large number of dogs that would be leaving our registry and therefore beyond our oversight. The committee voted unanimously to require that all AKC dogs sold at auction must be at least eight weeks old and microchipped, but it was not viewed as a solution to the problem, just the best option currently available. The committee members suggest continued scrutiny of this problem so that better solutions can be found.
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04-24-2010, 10:08 AM | #12 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member | AKC is worried about the auction dogs being out of their oversight??? Ya right, more likely they are worried the dogs registration fees will be out of their pockets, if they were to come out strongly against the auctions.
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04-24-2010, 10:10 AM | #13 |
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| It does say auctions are part of their inspections..but all they are doing is checking for records keeping. They cannot stop something that is legal.
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04-24-2010, 10:16 AM | #14 |
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| I wish I was really rich...if I win lotto , first I will make sure that my family is out of debt, and then I would dedicate the rest of the money and my life to fighting this...I wish more Celebs would something |
04-24-2010, 10:17 AM | #15 | |
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But we know if the dog's welfare was in AKC's best interest they would find some way to stop these auctions. They stick their heads in the sand, try to point fingers at others, make excuses and don't really make a stand for the dogs!
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