Question about 2 shows a day

[tegamom1]

On another thread, Kathy785 from Kansas mentioned going to 8 shows in 2 weekends. This is something new to me. I know I have been out of the ring for some time, but I still have never heard of this and know we don't have this around here. I'm just curious as to how this works..There is usually such a large entry that it's an all day process to get through the groups and BIS. I've never heard of going reserve BIS puppy, so please enlighten me. What am I missing??? I believe here they do have a match for puppies after the show that's good for training, etc. but that was all I have heard about. I would really appreciate someone filling me in.

[topknot]

She may mean (for AKC shows) Thursday - Sunday: "Cluster." I was at one show one weekend in AL and they had BIS Puppy - my Gigi got for the breed. I did not stay around though.

Or she may mean UKC shows. Not sure.
T.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tegamom1

On another thread, Kathy785 from Kansas mentioned going to 8 shows in 2 weekends. This is something new to me. I know I have been out of the ring for some time, but I still have never heard of this and know we don't have this around here. I'm just curious as to how this works..There is usually such a large entry that it's an all day process to get through the groups and BIS. I've never heard of going reserve BIS puppy, so please enlighten me. What am I missing??? I believe here they do have a match for puppies after the show that's good for training, etc. but that was all I have heard about. I would really appreciate someone filling me in.

Very easy to do 8 shows on 4 day clusters......With the high cost of of renting a site, Kennel Clubs have joined forces and put on 3 or 4 day shows. This is a plus for exhibitors too.....since it narrows down the traveling for 2 day shows.

Not sure what she meant about Reserve BIS Show Puppy. I've done BIS at a puppy match.....and best puppy....going on to the group ring, however, it's not a pointed win, neither is Best Junior, Best Senior or Grand Sweeps winner at a Specialty show.......

[Ladyhawk]

UkC has 2 show listed for each day at the Kent show for this weekend. I got Connor a TL so that I could show him on Sun. (I have to work on Sat.) but I don't know if both shows are confirmation as the judges are listed for different hunting exhibitions. I'm confused as well! I guess I need to call the event manager.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

UkC has 2 show listed for each day at the Kent show for this weekend. I got Connor a TL so that I could show him on Sun. (I have to work on Sat.) but I don't know if both shows are confirmation as the judges are listed for different hunting exhibitions. I'm confused as well! I guess I need to call the event manager.

I know nothing about UKC.....other than what has been explained to me...that originally it was started for hunting, obedience and trial events....

[livingdustmops]

I am not sure that Kathy will see this post (sorry Kathy for jumping in here) but Kathy is talking about her Biewers and showing them at the International All Breed Canine Association of America (IABCA), one of only 2 registries that recognizes Biewers at this time. The other is the North American Kennel Club (NAKC). Members on this forum who have Biewers are showing in both organizations. In all 3 shows that I attended there were AKC Yorkies being shown to receive their International ranking. The IABCA uses AKC & CKC (Canadian Kennel Club) judges.

http://www.iabca.com/
http://www.raritiesinc.ca/

This is on the IABCA website.

"International Titles in the United States?"

It is possible to earn an International UCI Title in the United States. The dogs are rated individually, not against the other dogs, so the judges travel instead of the dogs.

The International All Breed Canine Association of America (IABCA) began approximately ten years ago with the intent of making an International "UCI" Championship Title available to the American public while not exposing the dogs to the danger and inconvenience of international travel. To accomplish this, an association was formed with an International Association of dog clubs headquartered in Germany, the Union Cynologie International (UCI). The UCI organization has been in existence for almost 30 years. There are many countries, throughout Europe, North America and the Far East, represented in the association, making it a truly International Organization. Through this International Organization (UCI), International Titles are awarded to dogs who meet the requirements.

IABCA shows are held in accordance with the regulations and guidelines that have been established by UCI. These guidelines provide for a WRITTEN CRITIQUE OF EACH DOG ENTERED and a rating number (see Rating Chart) of how well the dog conforms to the International "UCI" breed standard. The rating a dog received, based on the critique, will determine the type of championship certificate, if any, is awarded in the class (see rating chart and title requirements). However, each dog will receive an "URKUNDE" (certificate of participation) with it's class placement noted.

The International "UCI" standards are based on the "country of origin" for each breed, if possible. NOTE: It is not a requirement that a dog be registered with IABCA to be exhibited at a sanctioned show. However, in order for any certificates awarded to be applicable towards a "UCI" title THE DOG MUST BE REGISTERED WITH IABCA WITHIN 40 DAYS AFTER THE SHOW DATE.

Who Shows At International Shows?

The typical entry at an IABCA International Show is an AKC recognized breed (around 80% of the entry is made up of these breeds.) The number of Rare Breeds showing is growing each year. The overall quality of the dogs is quite high, with many of the dogs already Champions of Record. The majority of the dogs are owner handled, but professional handling is allowed. Breeder/Owner handling is recognized with the Best Bred-by Exhibitor in Show Award. Seasoned exhibitors enjoy having an additional venue to show their quality dogs and earn additional titles "International". The shows are also, good for the novice exhibitor, providing an opportunity to "show" their dogs in a relaxed atmosphere, within a learning environment. A primary focus of the IABCA shows is education and a sharing of knowledge, between the exhibitors and the judges. Many exhibitors enjoy the shows because of the relaxed atmosphere of a small show where every exhibit has a ?good look? due to the written critiques. The International shows have a social atmosphere of a day out with your dog. The judges enjoy the shows because they can take the time to talk to each exhibitor without time limits.

ABOUT ALLE RASSE GRUPPE

The Alle Rasse Gruppe (translates to All Breed Group) is the first club formed in the United States under the parent club IABCA. International UCI Shows held in the U.S. are hosted by groups sanctioned by IABCA. These shows are held according to all rules and guidelines of UCI, and IABCA.

BEST BRED-BY IN SHOW RULES

Every Show Day in addition to the regular Best In Show Selections there will be chosen Best In Show Bred-By Exhibitor in all categories (Adult, Puppy, and Veteran). The regular Best In Show is open to all dogs entered into the show that day (no additional entry fee need be paid). Exhibitors wishing to also enter the Best Bred-By In Show competition must pay an additional fee of $5.00 to compete in the Special Best In Show. (They will be eligible for two Best In Shows, hence the additional fee).

The exhibitor of the dog must be the breeder of the dog, but does not have to own the dog as of the show date. The breeder or their immediate family must handle the dog at the class level and in the Best Bred-By competition. If ,for medical reasons, the breeder-exhibitor is unable to fully handle, an assistant in the ring will be allowed to run the dog, but the breeder must be present in the ring present the dog for examination.

Adult dogs may be entered in the Best In Show Bred-By Exhibitor competition from any class by stating Best Bred-By in the Additional Class Space on the entry form. (They do not have to be shown in the ZuchterKlasse <bred-by class> to be eligible.)

Puppies must be entered in the ZuchterKlasse of the appropriate age in order to compete in the Best Bred-by Puppy competition.

"Written Critiques from the Judge?"

You will receive a full written critique when you leave the ring.

[tegamom1]

Seems as if it might be a good way for some to practice and train their puppy. I'm wondering how they distinguish their championship title from an AKC Championship title which is much more difficult to obtain. It seems as if it could be confusing for newcomers when a dog is represented as Champion. Most people I believe feel when they see Ch. in front of a dogs name, they would generally assume it was an AKC title.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by tegamom1

Seems as if it might be a good way for some to practice and train their puppy. I'm wondering how they distinguish their championship title from an AKC Championship title which is much more difficult to obtain. It seems as if it could be confusing for newcomers when a dog is represented as Champion. Most people I believe feel when they see Ch. in front of a dogs name, they would generally assume it was an AKC title.

Did you know it's easier than that to get a Championship Title on your dog.......I received an e-mail telling me that all I had to do was send them a picture of my dog and they'd have judges assess it and for a fee they'd make him a Champion............now anyone's dog can put champion in their dog's title, without going through the AKC point system.

[ButterflyYorkie]

It's pretty normal to have 4 shows in one weekend with ukc. And in some cases, when we attended the Friday show, we ended up showing in 5 shows in one weekend. Talk about needing a foot rub on Sunday night. I am pretty sure ukc awards a reserve best puppy. I'll ask a friend to make sure I'm correct. I do know for a fact that they give a reserve BIS right before BIS is awarded. Giant ribbon with a prize just like BIS just a different color.

[Chrissy0277]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Did you know it's easier than that to get a Championship Title on your dog.......I received an e-mail telling me that all I had to do was send them a picture of my dog and they'd have judges assess it and for a fee they'd make him a Champion............now anyone's dog can put champion in their dog's title, without going through the AKC point system.

I got that too lol

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Chrissy0277

I got that too lol

If I thought it was that easy, wow the money I would save, let alone going up against stiff competition in the quest for AKC approval of your dogs.

[Chrissy0277]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

If I thought it was that easy, wow the money I would save, let alone going up against stiff competition in the quest for AKC approval of your dogs.

heck I think Im going to make everyone in my house a champion including the fish lol

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Chrissy0277

heck I think Im going to make everyone in my house a champion including the fish lol

Heck! Why not.....even the stuffed animals. What is sad is there are some people out there that would do it to pass their dogs off as Champions to the unsuspecting companion buyers.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by tegamom1

Seems as if it might be a good way for some to practice and train their puppy. I'm wondering how they distinguish their championship title from an AKC Championship title which is much more difficult to obtain. It seems as if it could be confusing for newcomers when a dog is represented as Champion. Most people I believe feel when they see Ch. in front of a dogs name, they would generally assume it was an AKC title.

Mary Ann - Having attended both AKC shows and IABCA shows you are right the atmosphere is entirely different and the Judges take a lot more time judging the dogs in IABCA without the politics involved.

I would also agree with you that most people would assume when people post wins that it would be AKC but we all know what the word assumes means. It is difficult for people to understand about the different registry's and I have to agree with you people should be stating the registry their dogs have earned title, points, etc. Certainly would make it easier on everyone.

[livingdustmops]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Did you know it's easier than that to get a Championship Title on your dog.......I received an e-mail telling me that all I had to do was send them a picture of my dog and they'd have judges assess it and for a fee they'd make him a Champion............now anyone's dog can put champion in their dog's title, without going through the AKC point system.

May I ask what registry did you get this email from?

If this is IABCA I am sure many Biewer owners would have a great big BITCH about this. They are spending a lot of $$$ and time to follow the German requirements. I totally understand how difficult it is to receive points in AKC with the many show entries that come to a show. Probably at the beginning of the Yorkie world in AKC many of the first recognized Yorkies earned points for just showing up. I will tell you I saw the AKC judges pulling orange cards in California for Biewers that were not standard so points were just not handed out. At the Ca show we had about 15 dogs both puppy and adult so the competition was a little stiffer. What is missing is enough entries to make it a tough competition and yes people can earn points without a lot of competition but this is to be expected in a new breed. Correct me if I am wrong, but depending on the area an AKC breeder shows in, it can be tougher or easier to get points, depending on the competition. I have heard of AKC breeders shipping show dogs to other parts of the country where the competition is not as tough to get their championship/points.

I really don't think the general public understands about points and titles even in the AKC world..It is a bit overwhelming even for a new show person.

Please understand I am not a breeder or a handler and all of my dogs are pet quality. This is just my observation but I do know people who are competing in the IABCA and I have attended 3 shows (which I know is not a hugh amount) along with many, many AKC shows as a Yorkie/Dog Fancier.

My hat is off to any Yorkie Show Breeder because it is one big tough competition for all of you and I can only hope in 50 years the Biewers will be in the same spot as you are today.

Good Luck.