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chewysmom · 05-09-2005, 12:36 PM

I am curious about Royal Canin. Apparently people say this is the best to feed pups but the 3rd ingredient is corn gluten meal and I've heard that's bad. Any thoughts? I'm also curious as to feedback about Canidae. Also, when people talk about adding oils to the food, are you talking about oils consumed by humans? I take a salmon oil and GLA capsule daily, can I pierce that and add it to food?

StewiesMom · 05-09-2005, 12:42 PM

I have yet to try any oils like that and will be looking out for your replies because I'm curious, too.

Mandee · 05-09-2005, 04:28 PM

I was feeding my puppy Royan Canin Mini at first, but he had gas, coughing, sneezing and itching. I asked around and was told that he was probably allergic to some of the ingredients in the food. I switched him to Natural Balance and he has been doing great. (Not to mention that he poops less b/c of less fillers) I don't know about the oils, but a friend of mine swears by them. She punctures one of the gelpills and squeezes it over the pups food. She says that it makes her coat look beautiful. If anyone else knows more let us know as I would like another opinion as well.

feminvstr · 05-09-2005, 04:30 PM

I just read an article yesterday about suppliments...here is a portion of it

Essential Fatty Acids ( omega 3,6 and 9) are necessary for the support of healthy joints, heart, skin and hair. The raw diet is rich in omega 6 fatty acids found in meats and vegetables. The omega-3 fatty acids found in flax seed oil and fish body oil are very fragile and break down quickly in the presence of light, heat or air.

Fish oil as well as flax seed oil can become rancid when exposed to light, air and heat. These oils when in a liquid form should be kept in the fridge or freezer away from heat and light. Flax seed oil is very fragile, and should not be shaken as that disrupts the chemical composition of the oil.

These oils in gel caps may be kept at room temperature as they have a preservative added to prevent the oil from becoming rancid. Vitamin E is the preservative of choice. Because oils can deplete the body of vitamin E it is important to give supplemental vitamin E whenever supplementing with oils. The small amount of vitamin E included in some fish oil supplements is not enough, it is there only to help preserve the oil.

Vitamin E may be given on a daily basis, but given every two to three days is also fine. The recommended dosage is: for small dogs 100 IU, medium sized dogs, 200 IU, and large dogs 400 IU.

Borage Oil and Primrose Oil are a good source of omega 6 fatty acids. Borage oil and to a lesser extent Primrose Oil contain GLA (a form of omega 6 fatty acids) which can be helpful for depression, rheumatoid arthritis and panosteitis. They are not a source of omega-3 fatty acids, and are not a good daily supplement for most healthy dogs.

Fish Body Oil

Salmon oil ( fish body oil, not liver oil) may be given daily as it is a good immune regulator, protects the kidneys, liver, heart and is also good for the skin.

For healthy dogs salmon oil (fish body oil, not liver oil) can be administered in doses of 1,000mg for every 20-30 pounds of body weight. If using salmon oil gel caps make sure that each 1,000mg capsule contains approximately 300mg of DHA and EPA combined. If what you are using has more than this, use proportionately less.

The therapeutic dosage for salmon oil (fish body oil not liver oil) is: 1,000 mg for every 10 pounds of body weight. Therapeutic doses are given in cases of kidney disease, for relief of inflammation due to arthritis, or allergies and to help regulate the immune system.

This is from another article

Omega-3 fatty acids:
Omega-3 fatty acids like EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) and DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) are the constituents of fish oils that act as anti-inflammatory agents and may be worth trying if your dog has an autoimmune disorder or arthritis. Many versions of these substances are on the shelves of health-food stores, from salmon oil to capsules of concentrated EPA. However, eating some cooked salmon or sardines may have benefits over capsular forms of the fish oils. Alternatively, you can give ground flax seeds, flax oil, or hemp oil as a dietary supplement; rather than fish oils. These materials will reduce platelet function for a brief period in dogs, but it seems that dogs compensate for this within about 8 weeks. Omega-3 fatty acids replace the 2-series fatty acids over time. As such, cellular stimulation produces 3-series prostaglandins and thromboxanes. The later does not cause inflammation and reduce blood flow like the 2-series thromboxanes. I recommend all dogs receive 1000 mg of fish oil capsule, 1 T ground flax seeds or eat 2 sardines every day. Since some studies have demonstrated negative or adverse effects using fish oil capsules (due to spoilage), I prefer giving sardines or ground flax seeds as the supplement source.

Gammalinolenic acid:

Evening primrose oil, black currant oil or borage oil are natural sources of gammalinolenic acid, a fatty acid which is hard to get in the diet. GLA is an effective anti-inflammatory agent with none of the side effects of anti-inflammatory drugs. It also promotes healthy growth of skin, hair, and nails. It may be good for skin conditions, arthritis, and autoimmune disorders. It takes six to eight weeks to see changes after adding GLA to the diet. I recommend small to medium dogs receive 500 mg of a GLA source daily, either as evening primrose oil, as black currant oil or as borage oil. Large dogs should receive 500 mg of a GLA source twice a day.

honey'smom · 05-09-2005, 04:31 PM

Hi,

I feed my Lhasa and Yorkie Innova EVO, and they love it. It is really small bites, so perfect for the little ones. I don't know about oils, but when I was growing up we had a Chow and my Mom would put a little bit of vegetable oil in his food. I think it was suppose to be for his coat.

Stacie

chewysmom · 05-09-2005, 07:45 PM

thanks for all the great info. I will stick with RC for now but might switch to Canidae later. Tonight I tried putting the salmon oil in and he was a little skeptical but he did eat so I will continue for a little while. I don't want to have to waste his food or my caps if he continues to be picky.

ReconsMomma · 05-09-2005, 08:04 PM

My mom adds tuna in oil to her dogs food once in awhile. She says that the tuna is good for them and the oils help make thier coat look really nice.

chewysmom · 05-10-2005, 06:07 AM

After looking around on this site I have found that a lot of ppl feed natural balance. I looked on their site and their ingredient list look very good. Since the pups need the fat I want to continue the RC but it has chicken meal and corn gluten, whereas NB has noneof this nonsense but less fat. Please help! BTW, choosing a food for Chewy seems harder than when we were choosing a school for our son!!!

scrappysmom · 05-10-2005, 06:41 AM

I also feed my scrappydoo natural balance and he does real good on it plus the have it in a roll that looks like cookie dough i give that as a snack .

chewysmom · 05-10-2005, 07:01 AM

How old is scrappy? My chewy is only 12 weeks, is the fat content better for them in RC? I am going to buy the puppy roll today. Thanks for great advice everyone.

scrappysmom · 05-10-2005, 07:07 AM

scrappy is 17 months old when i got scrappy he was on the rc but he didnt eat it very well i changed him about 4 months ago and he loves it after switching his foods he started putting on alot of weight hes at 7lbs and 5ozs now . and he goes crazy over the roll when he sees it he does a little dance for it they have it in different sizes a big roll and a small one .

luzangela428 · 05-12-2005, 10:55 AM

I feed the royal canin and give the natural balance as a substitue once a day....Maximus loves both and that way I'm sure he gets everything he needs. He is only 12 weeks and he went from a finicky eater on science diet to a great one on this.

Pmoore · 05-12-2005, 03:21 PM

I feed my 14 wk old baby Candiae and he loves it... I was feeding eukanuba and he was popping way tooo much but now he still poops a lot but they are healthy poops!! His hair seems to be growing very rapidly also I dont know if I can give candiae credit for that but it seems to be doing wonders for him...

Koukla6 · 05-12-2005, 09:51 PM

Royal Canin Mini 28 seemed to work really well with Simba although it is SO expensive. They come in 3 lb bags and I believe 20+ lb bags. Good luck...I feed Simab California Natural Lamb meal and rice.

Sidney · 05-12-2005, 10:09 PM

I have my dogs eating Canidae. They like it...so they are eating good and I see an improvement in their looks ( shiny coat, etc) . I'm very happy with it..

My dogs were eating Eukannuba before...I think the canidae has been much better for them.

05-09-2005, 12:36 PM	#1
chewysmom My Precious Pup Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,092	Feeding Yorkie ???s I am curious about Royal Canin. Apparently people say this is the best to feed pups but the 3rd ingredient is corn gluten meal and I've heard that's bad. Any thoughts? I'm also curious as to feedback about Canidae. Also, when people talk about adding oils to the food, are you talking about oils consumed by humans? I take a salmon oil and GLA capsule daily, can I pierce that and add it to food?

05-09-2005, 12:42 PM	#2
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	I have yet to try any oils like that and will be looking out for your replies because I'm curious, too. __________________ Kristy & Stewie

05-09-2005, 04:30 PM	#4
feminvstr Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 4,405	I just read an article yesterday about suppliments...here is a portion of it Essential Fatty Acids ( omega 3,6 and 9) are necessary for the support of healthy joints, heart, skin and hair. The raw diet is rich in omega 6 fatty acids found in meats and vegetables. The omega-3 fatty acids found in flax seed oil and fish body oil are very fragile and break down quickly in the presence of light, heat or air. Fish oil as well as flax seed oil can become rancid when exposed to light, air and heat. These oils when in a liquid form should be kept in the fridge or freezer away from heat and light. Flax seed oil is very fragile, and should not be shaken as that disrupts the chemical composition of the oil. These oils in gel caps may be kept at room temperature as they have a preservative added to prevent the oil from becoming rancid. Vitamin E is the preservative of choice. Because oils can deplete the body of vitamin E it is important to give supplemental vitamin E whenever supplementing with oils. The small amount of vitamin E included in some fish oil supplements is not enough, it is there only to help preserve the oil. Vitamin E may be given on a daily basis, but given every two to three days is also fine. The recommended dosage is: for small dogs 100 IU, medium sized dogs, 200 IU, and large dogs 400 IU. Borage Oil and Primrose Oil are a good source of omega 6 fatty acids. Borage oil and to a lesser extent Primrose Oil contain GLA (a form of omega 6 fatty acids) which can be helpful for depression, rheumatoid arthritis and panosteitis. They are not a source of omega-3 fatty acids, and are not a good daily supplement for most healthy dogs. Fish Body Oil Salmon oil ( fish body oil, not liver oil) may be given daily as it is a good immune regulator, protects the kidneys, liver, heart and is also good for the skin. For healthy dogs salmon oil (fish body oil, not liver oil) can be administered in doses of 1,000mg for every 20-30 pounds of body weight. If using salmon oil gel caps make sure that each 1,000mg capsule contains approximately 300mg of DHA and EPA combined. If what you are using has more than this, use proportionately less. The therapeutic dosage for salmon oil (fish body oil not liver oil) is: 1,000 mg for every 10 pounds of body weight. Therapeutic doses are given in cases of kidney disease, for relief of inflammation due to arthritis, or allergies and to help regulate the immune system. This is from another article Omega-3 fatty acids: Omega-3 fatty acids like EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid) and DHA (docosahexaenoic acid) are the constituents of fish oils that act as anti-inflammatory agents and may be worth trying if your dog has an autoimmune disorder or arthritis. Many versions of these substances are on the shelves of health-food stores, from salmon oil to capsules of concentrated EPA. However, eating some cooked salmon or sardines may have benefits over capsular forms of the fish oils. Alternatively, you can give ground flax seeds, flax oil, or hemp oil as a dietary supplement; rather than fish oils. These materials will reduce platelet function for a brief period in dogs, but it seems that dogs compensate for this within about 8 weeks. Omega-3 fatty acids replace the 2-series fatty acids over time. As such, cellular stimulation produces 3-series prostaglandins and thromboxanes. The later does not cause inflammation and reduce blood flow like the 2-series thromboxanes. I recommend all dogs receive 1000 mg of fish oil capsule, 1 T ground flax seeds or eat 2 sardines every day. Since some studies have demonstrated negative or adverse effects using fish oil capsules (due to spoilage), I prefer giving sardines or ground flax seeds as the supplement source. Gammalinolenic acid: Evening primrose oil, black currant oil or borage oil are natural sources of gammalinolenic acid, a fatty acid which is hard to get in the diet. GLA is an effective anti-inflammatory agent with none of the side effects of anti-inflammatory drugs. It also promotes healthy growth of skin, hair, and nails. It may be good for skin conditions, arthritis, and autoimmune disorders. It takes six to eight weeks to see changes after adding GLA to the diet. I recommend small to medium dogs receive 500 mg of a GLA source daily, either as evening primrose oil, as black currant oil or as borage oil. Large dogs should receive 500 mg of a GLA source twice a day. __________________ Kimberly

05-10-2005, 06:07 AM	#8
chewysmom My Precious Pup Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,092	natural balance VS royal canin????? After looking around on this site I have found that a lot of ppl feed natural balance. I looked on their site and their ingredient list look very good. Since the pups need the fat I want to continue the RC but it has chicken meal and corn gluten, whereas NB has noneof this nonsense but less fat. Please help! BTW, choosing a food for Chewy seems harder than when we were choosing a school for our son!!!

05-10-2005, 06:41 AM	#9
scrappysmom Mommy's Baby Doo Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DesMoines ,Ia Posts: 5,318	I also feed my scrappydoo natural balance and he does real good on it plus the have it in a roll that looks like cookie dough i give that as a snack . __________________ mommy to Lizzie, charliegirl Rip Scrappy doo, Rip Sunday.

05-09-2005, 04:28 PM	#3
Mandee Yorkie Yakker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 51	I was feeding my puppy Royan Canin Mini at first, but he had gas, coughing, sneezing and itching. I asked around and was told that he was probably allergic to some of the ingredients in the food. I switched him to Natural Balance and he has been doing great. (Not to mention that he poops less b/c of less fillers) I don't know about the oils, but a friend of mine swears by them. She punctures one of the gelpills and squeezes it over the pups food. She says that it makes her coat look beautiful. If anyone else knows more let us know as I would like another opinion as well.

05-09-2005, 04:31 PM	#5
honey'smom Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 21	Hi, I feed my Lhasa and Yorkie Innova EVO, and they love it. It is really small bites, so perfect for the little ones. I don't know about oils, but when I was growing up we had a Chow and my Mom would put a little bit of vegetable oil in his food. I think it was suppose to be for his coat. Stacie

05-09-2005, 07:45 PM	#6
chewysmom My Precious Pup Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,092	thanks for all the great info. I will stick with RC for now but might switch to Canidae later. Tonight I tried putting the salmon oil in and he was a little skeptical but he did eat so I will continue for a little while. I don't want to have to waste his food or my caps if he continues to be picky.

05-09-2005, 08:04 PM	#7
ReconsMomma BANNED! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Janesville WI Posts: 2,483	My mom adds tuna in oil to her dogs food once in awhile. She says that the tuna is good for them and the oils help make thier coat look really nice.

05-10-2005, 07:01 AM	#10
chewysmom My Precious Pup Donating Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New York City Posts: 2,092	How old is scrappy? My chewy is only 12 weeks, is the fat content better for them in RC? I am going to buy the puppy roll today. Thanks for great advice everyone.

05-10-2005, 07:07 AM	#11
scrappysmom Mommy's Baby Doo Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: DesMoines ,Ia Posts: 5,318	scrappy is 17 months old when i got scrappy he was on the rc but he didnt eat it very well i changed him about 4 months ago and he loves it after switching his foods he started putting on alot of weight hes at 7lbs and 5ozs now . and he goes crazy over the roll when he sees it he does a little dance for it they have it in different sizes a big roll and a small one . __________________ mommy to Lizzie, charliegirl Rip Scrappy doo, Rip Sunday.

05-12-2005, 10:55 AM	#12
luzangela428 Maximus "Lily's Love Slave" Join Date: May 2005 Location: san ramon, ca Posts: 2,368	I feed the royal canin and give the natural balance as a substitue once a day....Maximus loves both and that way I'm sure he gets everything he needs. He is only 12 weeks and he went from a finicky eater on science diet to a great one on this.

05-12-2005, 03:21 PM	#13
Pmoore Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Marietta,GA Posts: 191	I feed my 14 wk old baby Candiae and he loves it... I was feeding eukanuba and he was popping way tooo much but now he still poops a lot but they are healthy poops!! His hair seems to be growing very rapidly also I dont know if I can give candiae credit for that but it seems to be doing wonders for him...

05-12-2005, 09:51 PM	#14
Koukla6 Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 10	Feeds Royal Canin Mini 28 seemed to work really well with Simba although it is SO expensive. They come in 3 lb bags and I believe 20+ lb bags. Good luck...I feed Simab California Natural Lamb meal and rice. __________________ *Maria*

05-12-2005, 10:09 PM	#15
Sidney YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California Posts: 514	I have my dogs eating Canidae. They like it...so they are eating good and I see an improvement in their looks ( shiny coat, etc) . I'm very happy with it.. My dogs were eating Eukannuba before...I think the canidae has been much better for them.