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12-27-2017, 03:11 PM | #1 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| Probiotic recommend So I think Joey has mild ELS (excessive licking of surfaces) and with my research this can be cause by GI issues. Well I think Joey would benifit from a probiotic because sometimes his poo is of schedule and he misses a day or two. But here is the big issues he is picky and he never just eats a meal so I can't really use anything I put on his food. It looks like powders are the best form of the probiotic whether its sprinkled on their food of given in a capsule but that's not going to happen with him. I'm thinking a liquid one might be the next best thing but can anyone recommend one? We have tried just giving him pumpkin and he hates it.
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12-27-2017, 08:07 PM | #2 |
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| Hi there, My dog is on Forti Flora. It's a powder probiotic that is sprinkled on his food. Sometimes he doesn't like it.. because like your baby, he is picky. But I do think it has helped! |
12-28-2017, 05:16 AM | #3 | |
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12-28-2017, 05:53 AM | #4 |
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| I did some reading of the peer-reviewed literature, and the probiotics business is pretty much the Wild Wild West, let the buyer beware. Here is a link to an article where 19 commercial dog and cat foods claiming to contain probiotics were analyzed in the lab for bacterial count and species composition: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC340078/ . Summary: They either didn't carry any bacteria at all, carried much less than claimed on the label, or carried different bacteria from those listed. There may be good products out there, but I'd double check with a vet or a vet nutritionist first for recommendations. I did see a liquid probiotic advertised that claims to be fairly flavorless and stable at room temperature: https://www.maryruthorganics.com/pro...00-plant-based . You can read all of the package label on that website. It doesn't say how many bacteria the product contains, and has a statement that says, "These statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. This product is not intended to diagnose, treat, cure, or prevent any disease." |
12-28-2017, 06:18 AM | #5 |
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| Here's a review article from 2016 that is favorable on the use of probiotics: Understanding the canine intestinal microbiota and its modification by pro-, pre- and synbiotics – what is the evidence? - Schmitz - 2016 - Veterinary Medicine and Science - Wiley Online Library . However, this article is skeptical about the quality of currently available commercial products, citing the article about the 19 commercial dog foods that I linked to above: "Quality control is also an issue with probiotic products. As they are usually classified as nutritional supplements, quality control as for drugs is not legally required. Again, no large amount of data are available on the quality, shelf-life, etc., of commercially available probiotics. One study has assessed microbial components of dog food claiming to contain probiotics (Weese & Arroyo 2003). None of the 19 commercial diets contained all the claimed organisms, whereas one or more of the listed components could be isolated from around 50% of samples. Eleven samples contained additional, related organisms and more than 25% of tested diets showed no relevant bacterial growth. To the authors’ knowledge, no published study has so far assessed whether the claimed bacterial quality or quantity in probiotic nutritional supplements is according to label claims." |
12-28-2017, 06:28 AM | #6 |
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| A 2017 article from the United Kingdom on feeding commercially available probiotics to shelter dogs to prevent diarrhea: Efficacy of a Probiotic-Prebiotic Supplement on Incidence of Diarrhea in a Dog Shelter: A Randomized, Double-Blind, Placebo-Controlled Trial - Rose - 2017 - Journal of Veterinary Internal Medicine - Wiley Online Library . Summary: The treatment was effective, and the product used is publicly available: Dogs - Veterinary - Products - Protexin . Bad news: The product is not distributed in the US. |
12-28-2017, 06:36 AM | #7 |
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| Skeptvet also has a recent review article: Overview of the Evidence for Probiotics in Cats and Dogs | The SkeptVet . He cites a 2017 review article from the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association: https://avmajournals.avma.org/doi/pd...avma.250.5.519 |
12-28-2017, 10:22 AM | #8 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| Thanks for all the info. I wanted to try the probiotic before anything else just to see if it works. He is so picky and a dainty eater I'm not sure I could get a capsule into him. I hate to spend lots of money on one and him not take it.
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12-28-2017, 08:34 PM | #9 |
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| I like Vetriscience probiotics, they come in soft chews. My 2 are picky and seem to like them.
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12-29-2017, 05:46 AM | #10 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | You don't think he has GERD do you? Or that Pepcid is worth a shot? I always used Natures Farmacy probiotic and that was a powder...but I think that's out for you....
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12-29-2017, 06:29 AM | #11 |
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| I'll post a few links to some of the products mentioned above so you can check out their ingredient list and feeding instructions so you can see if you think they are right for you: Nature's Farmacy Dogzymes: https://www.chewy.com/natures-farmac...otic/dp/153519 Vetriscience Probiotic products: https://www.chewy.com/s?query=vetris...submit-button= For the Vetriscience products, check out the ingredient lists carefully. Some contain only yeast (as the active ingredient), some contain only fermentation products, and some contain probiotic bacteria, which is the "classic" probiotic. If I wanted to go for the biggest effect, I'd choose the ones containing the probiotic bacteria, but check with your vet first. |
12-29-2017, 10:40 AM | #12 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| No that doesn't seem to be his issue. His only issue is some times its like he gets a little backed up and will get very gassy.
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12-30-2017, 05:37 AM | #13 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | Oh darn....gassiness always makes me go to either wrong ingredient or wrong food for kiddo...irritating the GI...
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12-30-2017, 08:54 AM | #14 |
Yorkie mom of 4 Donating YT Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: LaPlata, Md
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| Well he has been eating his sisters prescription hypoallergenic food since I got him which he was about 9 weeks. I could never get him to eat anything else and I tried everything. He will be two at the beginning of February and this is a pretty new thing. Like within the last couple of months. He will be fine for a month then not poop for a few days and get gassy and then is back to fine.
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