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Old 06-02-2015, 03:01 AM   #1
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After scouring the aisles in pet smart with my 2 impatient terrorists for an hour, I settled on a bag of Petbotanics grain free and some natures recipe grain free... And I lucked out! Last time it cost me about $300 before I found one they would tolerate, and that was RC Yorkshire adult. But now Toby is itching and biting his paws, so I'm gonna see if it's an allergy to corn. Hence the scouring aisles. But I mixed some in with their food, and they loved it. Absolutely loved it. BOTH OF THEM! I'm taking back the natures recipe and I'm quite proud of myself. I'm not happy to step away from RC , but they didn't have a grain free option at that store... So Petbotanics it is! Hopefully this stops his itching.
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Food allergies are rare more then likely it's environmental allergies.
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True, but my last dog had an allergy to corn, and Toby is biting his paws just like Chewy did. Plus we live in New Mexico, and we have very little environmental allergens here compared to most other states. Besides, I figure less corn can't be too bad a thing. Can't hurt to try
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Enviromental allergies could be to even dust, human dander and grass.
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Have you considered the Nutriscan from Hemopet?
Great way to look at for sensitivity and intolerance.

NutriScan Food Sensitivity and Intolerance Test for Cats and Dogs

Hemopet Canine Blood Bank, Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory & Greyhound Rescue

By Dr. Jean Dobbs

Really answered a lot of questions for us.
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Have you considered the Nutriscan from Hemopet?
Great way to look at for sensitivity and intolerance.

NutriScan Food Sensitivity and Intolerance Test for Cats and Dogs

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There is no science to back that test up it's a waste of money. Integrating Myths and Nonsense with Standard Advice for Allergic Pets | The SkeptVet. The only way at this time to test for food allergies is by elimination diet.
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Yeah, so I've eliminated grains and we shall see ... How long should it take to see if it makes any difference once I've cut their old food out completely?
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Yeah, so I've eliminated grains and we shall see ... How long should it take to see if it makes any difference once I've cut their old food out completely?
Six to twelve weeks:

Food hypersensitivities: Performing an elimination diet trial
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Yeah, so I've eliminated grains and we shall see ... How long should it take to see if it makes any difference once I've cut their old food out completely?
Vet derms I've talked to say to always give it a full 12 weeks before really assessing results. Remember...don't give grains via treats either if you really want accurate results...
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Unless your using a prescription grain free food that is made in a plant with special precasions to make sure there is no contamination ( which there is with regular food) then there are still going to be some grain in the food. Kind of like how people who are allergic to peanuts can't eat anything made in a factory where anything with peanuts are made.
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Wow. Those are two very good points. Thank you.
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Interestingly, as worthless as Skeptovet and some others espouse, the Hemopet test was right on for us. 4 months after the IgA and IgM reaction significance was addressed we were in a MUCH improved place, and the items it flagged were not anything we would have thought - they were more remote.

One important thing we learned was that many pet food manufacturers have items in their food that they are not listing. Their feeling seems to be that it is so unimportant or miniscule that it won't matter -- not true, of course, but you are on your own to make the discovery. Lots of time spent on the phone and with research labs to get that done, but was worth it in the end, although wasn't so sure when in the middle of it.

Once we were really able to eliminate the items the test flagged everything got better. Wylie'sMom was in the 4 month ball park it took to really see the difference.
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Interestingly, as worthless as Skeptvet and some others espouse, the Hemopet test was right on for us. 4 months after the IgA and IgM reaction significance was addressed we were in a MUCH improved place, and the items it flagged were not anything we would have thought - they were more remote.

One important thing we learned was that many pet food manufacturers have items in their food that they are not listing. Their feeling seems to be that it is so unimportant or miniscule that it won't matter -- not true, of course, but you are on your own to make the discovery. Lots of time spent on the phone and with research labs to get that done, but was worth it in the end, although wasn't so sure when in the middle of it.

Once we were really able to eliminate the items the test flagged everything got better. Wylie'sMom was in the 4 month ball park it took to really see the difference.
Actually, I'm glad that the Nutriscan test worked for you. Dr. Dodds has not published any data on the test or conducted controlled studies to prove whether or not it works, so that is a source of frustration for veterinary professionals. The test *could* work--it just hasn't been proven, and all we have to go on is anecdotal information. From what I've read, it works more often than not, so if my Bella had a food sensitivity, I would be willing to give the test a shot. It *is* easier than months or years of food elimination trials. The test isn't cheap--it's $280. If the OP has the money for the test, then it's something to consider. The website is here: NutriScan Food Sensitivity and Intolerance Test for Cats and Dogs

If you do have the Nutriscan test done, follow the steps for taking the sample *very* carefully--you don't want to contaminate the sample or get too small a sample and waste the money you paid for the test. And of course report back to us on whether or not the test worked for you.
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The problem is - if you feed kibble you are not able to systematically eliminate with out buying tons of bags of food then be sure the labels are truly accurate. If you home cook the elimination is easier. I needed a kibble because we travel to shows and home cooked has to be refrigerated for safety. Therefore the test to help with the discrimination of product.

Worked for us and I have had others who indicated it had been successful for them as well. I'm sure nothing works for everyone however. I had help (from my vet group at a university) getting a really good specimen hoping for an acurate report.
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Interestingly, as worthless as Skeptovet and some others espouse, the Hemopet test was right on for us. 4 months after the IgA and IgM reaction significance was addressed we were in a MUCH improved place, and the items it flagged were not anything we would have thought - they were more remote.

One important thing we learned was that many pet food manufacturers have items in their food that they are not listing. Their feeling seems to be that it is so unimportant or miniscule that it won't matter -- not true, of course, but you are on your own to make the discovery. Lots of time spent on the phone and with research labs to get that done, but was worth it in the end, although wasn't so sure when in the middle of it.

Once we were really able to eliminate the items the test flagged everything got better. Wylie'sMom was in the 4 month ball park it took to really see the difference.
Guess that's your opinion I would rather use my money to help my dog on proven things. There were not study's done on that test nor is there science to back it up.
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