|
Welcome to the YorkieTalk.com Forums Community - the community for Yorkshire Terriers. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. You will be able to chat with over 35,000 YorkieTalk members, read over 2,000,000 posted discussions, and view more than 15,000 Yorkie photos in the YorkieTalk Photo Gallery after you register. We would love to have you as a member! Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please click here to contact us. |
|
| LinkBack | Thread Tools |
08-20-2011, 06:13 AM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker | Need help on food choice for roxy with kidney disease Ok so I found out my roxy girl has small kidneys which she could developed renal disease. Her levels were elevated but not at failure levels. So the vet told me to put her on a low protien diet. I'm getting confused though. I keep reading everywhere that a low protien diet is not that good. I keep reading that low protien diet could hurt more then help. Ive read that it's the phosphorus needs to be low. So I'm really confused what I should feed her. I also read that a high quality protien is good for her like hamburger and rice. Any advice guys? |
Welcome Guest! | |
08-20-2011, 06:24 AM | #2 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
Posts: 17,928
| Low phosphorus is needed which usually ends up being low protein. You can get a homecooked diet created by a veterinary nutritionist, but a prescription kidney diet is the most convenient and can work well.
__________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶 |
08-20-2011, 06:33 AM | #3 |
Donating YT 30K Club Member | My Nikki who is 18 has kidney disease and the vet put him on Hill's KD diet about 6 months ago and he has done well on it. He had no problem eating it either. I hope Roxy's disease can be controlled with diet. I had a puppy that kidney's didn't develop and I had her at a nephrologist (kidney specialist) and he said they can do very well in treatment with 25% kidney function. You may want to have her seen by a kidney doctor if she hasn't already.
__________________ Cali Pixie Roxie : RIP Nikki; RIP Maya;RIP my sweet Dixie girl 1/17/08 http://callipuppyscastle.bravehost.com/index.html |
08-20-2011, 07:37 AM | #4 |
Yorkie Yakker | She saw a internal specialist this week. I'm trying to get her to eat the low protien food I bought but she refuses it most of the time. Is there anything I can add to it to make it more tasteful for her? I'm worried she might become malnourished. She's only 4 months old and I know puppies need protien to grow. He also mentioned about feeding her hamburger and rice. |
08-20-2011, 07:58 AM | #5 |
Donating YT 30K Club Member | I have one with liver issues so I feed her lower protein. I was feeding California Natural lamb and rice. It's lower protein than some of the other brands.
__________________ Cali Pixie Roxie : RIP Nikki; RIP Maya;RIP my sweet Dixie girl 1/17/08 http://callipuppyscastle.bravehost.com/index.html |
08-20-2011, 08:15 AM | #6 |
I ♥ Armani & Chloe Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 3,895
| My dogs are both on a lower protein diet because of their Liver disease- we use Natural Balance, chicken for small breeds. We have had great success with it. Did you consider Hill's kidney diet? My parents have a 19 year old cat who has been on it for about a year and in that time her kidney levels have stayed stable.
__________________ Armani & Chloe |
08-20-2011, 08:30 AM | #7 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New York
Posts: 3,896
| My Sammy had kidney disease. He ate k/d canned and dry (we got it at the vets) and he liked it. He also took 1/4 Pepcid a day, Maalox (1 ML) as a phosphorus binder and vitamins. You could ask your vet about that. He was also allowed bits of apple and carrot for a treat. I always asked the vet first before giving him anything if I wasn't sure what he could have. Good luck with your pup!! |
08-20-2011, 08:31 AM | #8 |
T. Bumpkins & Co. Donating YT Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: New England
Posts: 9,816
| If you are willing to home cook for Roxy, I would suggest you do a phone consult with Dr. Remillard at MSPCA/Angell Memorial Hospital in Boston. She has a special interest in kidney disorders and is currently doing a study in this area. The website for the information is Nutrition Services She also can advise you in consult with acceptable choices for commercial foods - you don't want to just pick one off the shelves in this situation. Best wishes.
__________________ Washable Doggie Pee Pads (Save 10% Enter YTSAVE10 at checkout) Cathy, Teddy, Winston and Baby Clyde...RIP angels Barney and Daisy |
08-20-2011, 11:29 AM | #9 |
My hairy-legged girls Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: lompoc, ca.
Posts: 12,228
| Here is some really good information: Diets For Pets With Failing Kidneys (High BUN & Creatinine) You can make a diet suitable for dogs and cats with failing kidneys at home when your pet's kidneys can no longer cleanse it's body of waste and fluids. The results of failing kidneys is a condition called uremia. Pets with uremia loose their appetite and waste away. So the most important thing you can do for your pet in these situations is to prepare the most tasty diet you can and encourage your pet to eat enough of it. If diet alone is not enough to improve your pet's blood values, your veterinarian has medications that may help. The toxic wastes that build up in your pet's blood are primarily the biproducts of protein digestion and muscle metabolism. These include urea- BUN, creatinine and phosphorus. As your pet's blood phosphorus level increases, it's bones loose calcium and weaken. Pets with kidney disease often loose appetite and weight and might benefit from additional B vitamins also. Sometimes, their blood pressure rises, in which case, a low sodium diet might be beneficial. Older veterinarians were taught in schools that protein levels should be restricted (low) when feeding pets with damaged kidneys. This seemed to make sense because less meat protein should produce less urea and creatinine for the kidneys to have to remove. the National Kidney Foundation still recommends that people restrict their intake of protein when they have kidney disease. However, studies supported by Iams foods suggest that low protein diets may do more harm than good - at least in dogs that suddenly had 7/8th of their kidneys removed. Prior studies suggested lower protein diets might help dogs and cats. But these prior studies were very poorly designed. The way Iams designed their studies caused them a lot of grief. But the science was good and it was the only way veterinarians could have found out that we were harming, rather than helping pets when we put them on low protein diets. All commercially available kidney diets have had their protein content adjusted upward based on these results. Some brands of kidney diet still keep their protein level at 13-14% (k/d, NF,). But Eukanuba Prescription Kidney diet and Iams supply over 18%. We still want to limit your pet's consumption of phosphorus. The foods naturally highest in phosphorus are the common high-protein foods, meat, poultry, fish, dairy products, peas and beans. Beef and chicken contain about 8 mg phosphorus per gram of protein, whereas low-fat milk has 28 mg phosphorus per gram of protein. However, cooked egg white have the least phosphorus per gram of protein and the most complete protein and may be the best protein source for your pet. There is no need to separate out the yolks unless your pet gains too much weight. Iams also found that fermentable fiber seemed to help the pet eliminate urea through its intestine when its kidneys could no longer do so adequately. So all common commercial kidney diets now have higher soluble fiber levels. Iams has patented their particular soluble fiber mixture which consists of fructooligosaccharides, sugar beet pulp, and vegetable gum . Do not exceed the amount of fiber that maintains your pet at it's optimal body weight with an acceptably firm stool. Limiting the amount of sodium these ill pets ingests is also wise - so commercial diets limit the amount of sodium-rich ingredients in their foods and you should too. They also add omega-3 and omega-6 fatty acids that are found in cold-water fish and fish oils combined with flax seed to obtain a ratio of about 1:5. Pets with kidney problems often suffer from poor appetite, weight loss, anemia and debility. B vitamins are often given as appetite stimulants. Also, the diets you make, without dairy or plant sources of calcium will be deficient in calcium So add crushed Pet Tab multi-vitamin and Pet Tab calcium to your recipe once it cools in the amount suggested on the bottles or purchase a supplement suggested by Balance IT. In advanced kidney disease, when your pet's BUN is over 60 mg/dl, most vets believe that moderately restricting protein in your pet's diet becomes more important. In advanced kidney failure, blood tests need to be run periodically to be sure that blood calcium and phosphorus levels remain within limits and that the pet does not become overly anemic or develop high blood pressure. Probably the most important thing you can do in prparing a homemade diet for your pet with failing kidneys is to prepare it with as much added water as possible. The more fluids your pet consumes, the more toxic waste products it will flush from its body with the fewer health kidney filter units (nephrons) that remain.
__________________ AZRAEL RAZAEL JILLI ANN |
08-20-2011, 01:53 PM | #10 |
Yorkie Yakker | Weird question. Does anyone know what a normal size kidney for these dogs are? I just got a more detailed report from her vet in the mail today. It says bilateral small kidneys with hypoechoic renal cortices- rt kidney 4.02 cm left kidney 3.30. It says the small kidneys with abnormal architecture represents hereditary kidney disease the prognosis long term is unfavorable however no time frame or survival tume can be given Her blood work that she had prior her BUN was 48 and her cre was 1.8. Maybe I will try the hills. Anyone know the percentage of protien that's in it. My local pet store only had some food called neo. The protien level is at 3.5% for a can. Is that too low? Last edited by oberly233; 08-20-2011 at 01:56 PM. |
Bookmarks |
|
|
| |
|
|
SHOP NOW: Amazon :: eBay :: Buy.com :: Newegg :: PetStore :: Petco :: PetSmart