Ethoxyquin poison and in most dog foods - YorkieTalk.com Forums

LindaLS · 12-08-2009, 05:36 PM

Hello Everyone,

I am Mom to a 9 year old 8 lb Yorkie, Hannamaye. She has suffered from allergies for years to the point she will bleed if not treated. I have worked and worried over this and have done just about everything there is to do and what I was told to try by the vet.

This past year I have finally elimited enough foods and discovered one main poison. "Ethoxyquin" This ingredient is in just about all dog food as a preservative. It is also used in fertilizer, never the less.

I have changed her to only Canidi dry food because this was the only food I found local without this ingredient. (It will cause diarrhea if not changed gradually) She is doing great and her coat is looking beautiful.

Her treats are now small pieces of toast or (human) animal cookies. Things have been going pretty good with small bouts of scratching. But today she is having some problems again.

Today she is scratching again and I realized last night I gave her, her monthly Heartgard plus treat.

So now I have been trying to find out if this product has Ethoxyquin in it???? So far I can't find any of this information.

Does anybody know if this is the case? Does Heartgard Plus have Ethoxyquin in it?

Thanks for a great forum.

Linda

LilMissy · 12-08-2009, 05:51 PM

I started researching about Ethoxyquin when I found out that Solid Gold's products use it. What I don't like is that Solid Gold gets their fish from a different company, so they do not have to list the use of Ethoxyquin in the ingrediants on their packaging. Ethoxyquin is used to preserve their fish in the "Wee Bits" formula. I emailed them awhile ago to ask about it and didn't receive a response. Ethoxyquin has been banned from most human food because it causes cancer (amongst other things). Scarey stuff!

This is why I homecook, then I know exactly what is in their food. Anyways, on to your question. Isn't Ethoxyquin used to preserve fats? Would their be any fats in Heartguard? I don't think so. Hmmm

livingdustmops · 12-08-2009, 06:28 PM

I think or it appears this woman does a good job digging into a lot of these issues:

The Dog Food Project - Ingredients to avoid

Maybe this will help or you could write her.

MyTrixie143 · 12-08-2009, 07:51 PM

Sorry your baby isn't feeling well. Sounds like she's been through a lot.

What Canidae are you feeding her? The original formula, the grain free formula, and the beef and fish formula all contain ethoxyquin in it.
The lamb and rice and chicken and rice formula don't contain fish meal but are preserved with mixed tocopherols which could be anything.

I use to feed Canidae but I noticed they were throwing up every so often and had loose bowels. And then I found out it contained ethoxyquin. You see they don't have to put ethoxyquin in the ingredient list because it wasn't added at their facility as it was added by the fish meal supplies prior to ending up at their facility.
Here is a thread you will want to check out, it gives you an idea of which foods are safe and which aren't...
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...thoxyquin.html

I switched to Life's Abundance which does not contain ethoxyquin and they have been doing a 100% better. You can't buy it at the store but the auto shipping makes it easy and you know you are feeding a good food, you might want to check into it.

Breny · 12-08-2009, 08:09 PM

Wow so sorry to hear about your baby. I know ther eis another thread that covers the food. I feed Life's Abundance and it does NOT contain Ethoxyquin.
Its a safe Healthy Premium food for cats and dogs.

chestermama · 12-09-2009, 01:32 AM

I have talked to alot of good pet stores in wa and they say that solid gold does not use it, they use the diamond facility because alot of these companys are not large, and solid gold does their own food, these stores are very picky about what they sell and I believe them, or they would not sell it

BonBon · 12-09-2009, 05:45 AM

Ethoxyquin is used to preserve fish meals on foods manufactured in the US (this is required by US law). You can avoid ethoxyquin by feeding foods that do not contain fish (most foods do not) or by feeding a food not manufactured in the US (such as Orijen or Addiction).

jp4m2 · 12-09-2009, 06:53 AM

Welcome to Y.T.......

I'm sorry your Hannamaye has been suffering so long with her allergies and the itching.......Your correct that some foods do contain ethoxyquin as a fish, and salmon meal preservative.....It's a nasty chemical......I had posted two threads about this issue and had to merge them into one at this link......

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...r-threads.html

After seeing this information I have decided to never purchase any products manufactured through Diamond. They had the melamine problem and now ethoxyquin, I just can't put any trust in them, but Diamond is not the only company doing this.......

As for your Hannamaye and her itching, I see you mentioned that you just administered Heartguard and the itching has increased. All heartworm products are nematode poisons, they are designed to kill all microfilariae infection that occurred up to 60 days earlier.

Hannamaye's recent intense itching is more likely to be linked to Heartguard's toxic load. Her body's immune system is in a weakened state, that is why she has allergies. Any chemicals she is exposed to whether it be from over vaccination, flea killing products, and heartworm products will all put added stress on her system in trying to process the toxins in these products.

If the temperatures in your are are now falling below 57 degrees , day or night, then the molting process that the microfilariea MUST go through within the mosquito can not happen. Therefore, no threat of contracting heartworm. If your going to use these products this map may be of help as to when you can start and stop using them in relation to your areas temperature.......

Citadel Tibetan Mastiffs Heartworm Timing

This is from an article I found a while back......

According to the American Veterinary Medical Association, 65% of adverse drug reactions and 48% of all reported deaths resulting from drug reactions are caused by heartworm preventatives. The potential side effects of Ivermectin (the active ingredient in Heartgard) include liver problems, vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite, depression, lethargy, skin eruptions, seizures, tremors, paralysis, auto-immune disorders, thyroid problems, fever, weakness, dizziness, coughing, nose bleeds, difficulty breathing, pneumonia, irritability, sudden aggressive behavior, nerve damage, fertility problems, and sudden death. The drug poses a particular risk to Collies, Whippets, Irish Water Spaniels, Bull Mastiffs and related breeds. Other chemical heartworm preventatives have many of the same side effects.

Have you tries Omega 3 oils for her itching? Sometimes these can be beneficial. Here are a couple of links with some info that you might find something of use to help Hannamaye.....

Pet allergies and hotspots - natural flea prevention and treatments

Fatty Acids for Dogs | Fish Oil | Flaxseed Oil | Omega-3 and 6 Fatty Acids

Sorry this is so long, I hope something is helpful for Hannamaye and good luck....

LindaLS · 12-09-2009, 06:54 AM

Hello Everyone,

Thanks for the replies. Hanna is feeling better today. Still scratching but not nearly as badly as yesterday. I really don't believe it is the Canidae because she is really great if I don't give her any other commercial dog treats or food.

She has suffered from this for 6 years now and we are only just getting a grip on it in this past year. The vet had put her on so many different foods that only made it worse and special shampoos and such which never helped. Anyway we are doing much better.

She is eating Canidae "all stages" grain free formula. My other dog (1/2 Shih Tzu, 1/2 Chihuahua) does not have this problem. She is 6 years old so it would have shown up by now. My husband swears it is because Hanna is a pedigree, but we all know better than that.

Two years ago Hanna also had a bout of cancer, the tumor was removed and she has been fine ever since.

I have to keep my eyes open for anything that "triggers" a reaction and it seems that the Heartgard did. So I need to know the ingredients and than find another product that will protect her.

The poor girl has suffered for so many years it is a joy to see her not scratching and stinky. I don't want to give her anything to cause flare ups, even if it is suppose to be good for her.

Any help or advice is appreciated.

Oh and you can see more of my furbabies at canine, dog illnesses symptoms, love my pet, small dog good with kids, puppy res

Ellie May · 12-09-2009, 07:00 AM

It sounds like there may be something else going on here.
Are you sure there isn't another common ingredient in the foods she is intolerant to?
Have environmental allergies been ruled out?

I'm not saying ethoxyquin is a good thing necessarily...just that usually when dogs react to a food, it is the protein or grain. What foods have you tried? Are you sure it isn't beef?

lil louis · 12-09-2009, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LilMissy

I started researching about Ethoxyquin when I found out that Solid Gold's products use it. What I don't like is that Solid Gold gets their fish from a different company, so they do not have to list the use of Ethoxyquin in the ingrediants on their packaging. Ethoxyquin is used to preserve their fish in the "Wee Bits" formula. I emailed them awhile ago to ask about it and didn't receive a response. Ethoxyquin has been banned from most human food because it causes cancer (amongst other things). Scarey stuff!

This is why I homecook, then I know exactly what is in their food. Anyways, on to your question. Isn't Ethoxyquin used to preserve fats? Would their be any fats in Heartguard? I don't think so. Hmmm

I was just wondering what type of food do you make? I am trying to find a healthy dog food for Louis, and I was thinking about homecooked meals. I just want to make sure he gets all of the vitamins he needs. Thanks in advance!

LindaLS · 12-09-2009, 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ellie May

It sounds like there may be something else going on here.
Are you sure there isn't another common ingredient in the foods she is intolerant to?
Have environmental allergies been ruled out?

I'm not saying ethoxyquin is a good thing necessarily...just that usually when dogs react to a food, it is the protein or grain. What foods have you tried? Are you sure it isn't beef?

I had thought the same thing for awhile but when I took her off ALL commercial foods she cleared up. Now she does ok with Canidae. We have lived in the same house for 16 years. Also we travel and stay at other places she still suffered. So I believe it is food not environmental. But maybe it is another ingredient doing the harm.

LilMissy · 12-09-2009, 08:30 AM

Ethoxyquin | Swiss Lick Swissies

Foods confirmed to be ethoxyquin-free:
Innova
Evo
California Naturals
Blue Buffalo
By Nature
Flint River Ranch
Fromm
Merrick
Petcurean
Timberwolf
Wellness
Orijen
Acana
Nature’s Variety
Life’s Abundance
Halo (Spot’s Stew)
Horizon
Pinnacle
Canine Caviar
Eagle Pack
Evangers
Castor & Pollux
Evolve
Nature’s Logic
Grandma Mae’s
Ziwi Peak
Nature’s Logic

Foods confirmed to use ethoxyquin (should be avoided):

Diamond
Canidae
Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover’s Soul
Solid Gold
Artemis
Taste of the Wild
Iams
Eukanuba
Natural Balance
Hills
Premium Edge
Fosters & Smith
Nutro
Kirkland

Ellie May · 12-09-2009, 08:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LindaLS

I had thought the same thing for awhile but when I took her off ALL commercial foods she cleared up. Now she does ok with Canidae. We have lived in the same house for 16 years. Also we travel and stay at other places she still suffered. So I believe it is food not environmental. But maybe it is another ingredient doing the harm.

Could you list all of the foods you tried that she didn't do well on?

viviansnickers · 12-09-2009, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LilMissy

Ethoxyquin | Swiss Lick Swissies

Foods confirmed to be ethoxyquin-free:
Innova
Evo
California Naturals
Blue Buffalo
By Nature
Flint River Ranch
Fromm
Merrick
Petcurean
Timberwolf
Wellness
Orijen
Acana
Nature’s Variety
Life’s Abundance
Halo (Spot’s Stew)
Horizon
Pinnacle
Canine Caviar
Eagle Pack
Evangers
Castor & Pollux
Evolve
Nature’s Logic
Grandma Mae’s
Ziwi Peak
Nature’s Logic

Foods confirmed to use ethoxyquin (should be avoided):

Diamond
Canidae
Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover’s Soul
Solid Gold
Artemis
Taste of the Wild
Iams
Eukanuba
Natural Balance
Hills
Premium Edge
Fosters & Smith
Nutro
Kirkland

This is great!!!!!!! Thank you Shaunna!!!!

Snick & Viv

12-08-2009, 05:36 PM	#1
LindaLS Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 50	Ethoxyquin poison and in most dog foods Hello Everyone, I am Mom to a 9 year old 8 lb Yorkie, Hannamaye. She has suffered from allergies for years to the point she will bleed if not treated. I have worked and worried over this and have done just about everything there is to do and what I was told to try by the vet. This past year I have finally elimited enough foods and discovered one main poison. "Ethoxyquin" This ingredient is in just about all dog food as a preservative. It is also used in fertilizer, never the less. I have changed her to only Canidi dry food because this was the only food I found local without this ingredient. (It will cause diarrhea if not changed gradually) She is doing great and her coat is looking beautiful. Her treats are now small pieces of toast or (human) animal cookies. Things have been going pretty good with small bouts of scratching. But today she is having some problems again. Today she is scratching again and I realized last night I gave her, her monthly Heartgard plus treat. So now I have been trying to find out if this product has Ethoxyquin in it???? So far I can't find any of this information. Does anybody know if this is the case? Does Heartgard Plus have Ethoxyquin in it? Thanks for a great forum. Linda

12-08-2009, 05:51 PM	#2
LilMissy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 3,421	I started researching about Ethoxyquin when I found out that Solid Gold's products use it. What I don't like is that Solid Gold gets their fish from a different company, so they do not have to list the use of Ethoxyquin in the ingrediants on their packaging. Ethoxyquin is used to preserve their fish in the "Wee Bits" formula. I emailed them awhile ago to ask about it and didn't receive a response. Ethoxyquin has been banned from most human food because it causes cancer (amongst other things). Scarey stuff! This is why I homecook, then I know exactly what is in their food. Anyways, on to your question. Isn't Ethoxyquin used to preserve fats? Would their be any fats in Heartguard? I don't think so. Hmmm __________________ Shaunna with Missy (my princess) & Dora (my tomboy)

12-08-2009, 06:28 PM	#3
livingdustmops Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 6,728	I think or it appears this woman does a good job digging into a lot of these issues: The Dog Food Project - Ingredients to avoid Maybe this will help or you could write her. __________________ Cindy & The Rescued Gang Puppies Are Not Products!

12-08-2009, 07:51 PM	#4
MyTrixie143 Mom to 6 Beautiful Furkids Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 5,409	Sorry your baby isn't feeling well. Sounds like she's been through a lot. What Canidae are you feeding her? The original formula, the grain free formula, and the beef and fish formula all contain ethoxyquin in it. The lamb and rice and chicken and rice formula don't contain fish meal but are preserved with mixed tocopherols which could be anything. I use to feed Canidae but I noticed they were throwing up every so often and had loose bowels. And then I found out it contained ethoxyquin. You see they don't have to put ethoxyquin in the ingredient list because it wasn't added at their facility as it was added by the fish meal supplies prior to ending up at their facility. Here is a thread you will want to check out, it gives you an idea of which foods are safe and which aren't... http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...thoxyquin.html I switched to Life's Abundance which does not contain ethoxyquin and they have been doing a 100% better. You can't buy it at the store but the auto shipping makes it easy and you know you are feeding a good food, you might want to check into it. __________________ A dog is a furry person! http://www.dogster.com/?300866 Tracey and the gang DestinyHarmonyScamperGracieLillieKiwi Hershey Peppi

12-08-2009, 08:09 PM	#5
Breny My Tiny Treasures Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: . Posts: 11,790 Blog Entries: 3	Wow so sorry to hear about your baby. I know ther eis another thread that covers the food. I feed Life's Abundance and it does NOT contain Ethoxyquin. Its a safe Healthy Premium food for cats and dogs. __________________ http://Brenysbabies.com

12-09-2009, 01:32 AM	#6
chestermama YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: washington Posts: 3,383 Blog Entries: 1	I have talked to alot of good pet stores in wa and they say that solid gold does not use it, they use the diamond facility because alot of these companys are not large, and solid gold does their own food, these stores are very picky about what they sell and I believe them, or they would not sell it

12-09-2009, 05:45 AM	#7
BonBon Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: With my yorkies Posts: 10,350	Ethoxyquin is used to preserve fish meals on foods manufactured in the US (this is required by US law). You can avoid ethoxyquin by feeding foods that do not contain fish (most foods do not) or by feeding a food not manufactured in the US (such as Orijen or Addiction). __________________ He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion. -- Author Unknown

12-09-2009, 06:53 AM	#8
jp4m2 Love my Boys Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: w/ my boys Posts: 5,056	Welcome to Y.T....... I'm sorry your Hannamaye has been suffering so long with her allergies and the itching.......Your correct that some foods do contain ethoxyquin as a fish, and salmon meal preservative.....It's a nasty chemical......I had posted two threads about this issue and had to merge them into one at this link...... http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...r-threads.html After seeing this information I have decided to never purchase any products manufactured through Diamond. They had the melamine problem and now ethoxyquin, I just can't put any trust in them, but Diamond is not the only company doing this....... As for your Hannamaye and her itching, I see you mentioned that you just administered Heartguard and the itching has increased. All heartworm products are nematode poisons, they are designed to kill all microfilariae infection that occurred up to 60 days earlier. Hannamaye's recent intense itching is more likely to be linked to Heartguard's toxic load. Her body's immune system is in a weakened state, that is why she has allergies. Any chemicals she is exposed to whether it be from over vaccination, flea killing products, and heartworm products will all put added stress on her system in trying to process the toxins in these products. If the temperatures in your are are now falling below 57 degrees , day or night, then the molting process that the microfilariea MUST go through within the mosquito can not happen. Therefore, no threat of contracting heartworm. If your going to use these products this map may be of help as to when you can start and stop using them in relation to your areas temperature....... Citadel Tibetan Mastiffs Heartworm Timing This is from an article I found a while back...... According to the American Veterinary Medical Association, 65% of adverse drug reactions and 48% of all reported deaths resulting from drug reactions are caused by heartworm preventatives. The potential side effects of Ivermectin (the active ingredient in Heartgard) include liver problems, vomiting, diarrhea, loss of appetite, depression, lethargy, skin eruptions, seizures, tremors, paralysis, auto-immune disorders, thyroid problems, fever, weakness, dizziness, coughing, nose bleeds, difficulty breathing, pneumonia, irritability, sudden aggressive behavior, nerve damage, fertility problems, and sudden death. The drug poses a particular risk to Collies, Whippets, Irish Water Spaniels, Bull Mastiffs and related breeds. Other chemical heartworm preventatives have many of the same side effects. Have you tries Omega 3 oils for her itching? Sometimes these can be beneficial. Here are a couple of links with some info that you might find something of use to help Hannamaye..... Pet allergies and hotspots - natural flea prevention and treatments Fatty Acids for Dogs \| Fish Oil \| Flaxseed Oil \| Omega-3 and 6 Fatty Acids Sorry this is so long, I hope something is helpful for Hannamaye and good luck.... __________________ B.J.mom to : Jake J.J. Jack & Joey, momma misses you..... The joy found in the companionship of a pet is a blessing not given to everyone. The two most powerful words when we’re in struggle: me too.. Last edited by jp4m2; 12-09-2009 at 06:55 AM.

12-09-2009, 06:54 AM	#9
LindaLS Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Alabama Posts: 50	Canidae and Ethoxyquin Hello Everyone, Thanks for the replies. Hanna is feeling better today. Still scratching but not nearly as badly as yesterday. I really don't believe it is the Canidae because she is really great if I don't give her any other commercial dog treats or food. She has suffered from this for 6 years now and we are only just getting a grip on it in this past year. The vet had put her on so many different foods that only made it worse and special shampoos and such which never helped. Anyway we are doing much better. She is eating Canidae "all stages" grain free formula. My other dog (1/2 Shih Tzu, 1/2 Chihuahua) does not have this problem. She is 6 years old so it would have shown up by now. My husband swears it is because Hanna is a pedigree, but we all know better than that. Two years ago Hanna also had a bout of cancer, the tumor was removed and she has been fine ever since. I have to keep my eyes open for anything that "triggers" a reaction and it seems that the Heartgard did. So I need to know the ingredients and than find another product that will protect her. The poor girl has suffered for so many years it is a joy to see her not scratching and stinky. I don't want to give her anything to cause flare ups, even if it is suppose to be good for her. Any help or advice is appreciated. Oh and you can see more of my furbabies at canine, dog illnesses symptoms, love my pet, small dog good with kids, puppy res

12-09-2009, 07:00 AM	#10
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	It sounds like there may be something else going on here. Are you sure there isn't another common ingredient in the foods she is intolerant to? Have environmental allergies been ruled out? I'm not saying ethoxyquin is a good thing necessarily...just that usually when dogs react to a food, it is the protein or grain. What foods have you tried? Are you sure it isn't beef? __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

12-09-2009, 08:30 AM	#13
LilMissy Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 3,421	Ethoxyquin \| Swiss Lick Swissies Foods confirmed to be ethoxyquin-free: Innova Evo California Naturals Blue Buffalo By Nature Flint River Ranch Fromm Merrick Petcurean Timberwolf Wellness Orijen Acana Nature’s Variety Life’s Abundance Halo (Spot’s Stew) Horizon Pinnacle Canine Caviar Eagle Pack Evangers Castor & Pollux Evolve Nature’s Logic Grandma Mae’s Ziwi Peak Nature’s Logic Foods confirmed to use ethoxyquin (should be avoided): Diamond Canidae Chicken Soup for the Dog Lover’s Soul Solid Gold Artemis Taste of the Wild Iams Eukanuba Natural Balance Hills Premium Edge Fosters & Smith Nutro Kirkland __________________ Shaunna with Missy (my princess) & Dora (my tomboy)