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01-07-2009, 01:04 PM | #1 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Littleton, NH
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| For those feeding a raw diet..... Do you leave kibble down (in our case Evo) for your pups to snack on through the day? I'm giving Lola 3% of her body weight as she's in constant motion. When I feed her, she eats like she hasn't eaten in a week. I can't tell if it's because she likes it so much or she's hungry. I can't imagine she's still hungry but........Any thoughts? |
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01-07-2009, 01:40 PM | #2 |
Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator | I don't leave kibble down. I used to free-feed kibble when I had just Wylie - and he just self regulated, ho hum. But if I put cooked food or raw down - OMG - GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE - and MORE MORE MORE!!! He wants to eat 100x his weight if it's anything but kibble, lol!
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01-07-2009, 01:57 PM | #3 |
Lovin' my R & R Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Middleton, Idaho
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| I feed raw as well. I have never been able to leave food out- Ranger would sit there and eat, eat, eat. When I first got Ryder I started him on raw as well. Since he was so tiny I would put some kibble in his crate when I would leave, but after he gained a few ounces I stopped giving him kibble. They are on pretty consistant schedule, and have done fine without
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01-07-2009, 02:09 PM | #4 |
I ♥ Franklin & Maggie Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Oklahoma
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| My dogs eat the same way with kibble. I read that dogs don't stop to "savor" their food like humans. They just gobble it up! If she doesn't seem skinny she's probably getting enough food.
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01-07-2009, 02:12 PM | #5 |
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| i feed homecook and NV raw to my girls and we have the feeding schedule since it's easier for us with their potty schedule. I don't leave any kibbles out during the day and they have been doing well without any problems.
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01-07-2009, 04:35 PM | #6 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Littleton, NH
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| Thanks! I feel better now knowing she's not really hungry. As a test tonight after her dinner I put down a bowl of kibble. She hasn't touched it. But, once I was at the stove cooking dinner she was right at my feet looking for a snack LOL I couldn't resist and gave her a piece of chicken. No sir, there is not one thing spoiled about her. Not one bit!! |
01-07-2009, 06:07 PM | #7 |
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| Feeding raw and dry food close together is not good for dogs. They digest at different rates... kibble taking much longer. If the raw and kibble get mixed inside the system the raw will stay in the body too long and could cause problems. If you plan on feeding both, the meals should be separated by several hours, at least. All three of mine snarf their raw down like crazy. They try to act like they are still hungry, but I know better. |
01-07-2009, 06:25 PM | #8 | |
Lovin' my R & R Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Middleton, Idaho
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01-07-2009, 10:34 PM | #9 |
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| Amanda, I've been trying to research raw like crazy here lately, and it's so hard to find good info! One thing I've found on several sites that seem pretty well researched is that the acids in the dog's stomach changes whether he is digesting mainly protein (like raw) or a lot of carbs (like kibble). If the stomach has the wrong acidity in anticipation of a different type of food than what gets fed, the food doesn't get all the way digested or made use of - the raw or the kibble. That made me think that feeding raw meat and kibble together wasn't such a good option. I don't pretend to know much about raw - like I said, I'm just starting to research it, so please don't take offense Amanda - I totally respect your advice... but just as a part of my researching, I would really love to see where you found the information about feeding raw and kibble together and its affect on the dogs digestion. Like I said, please don't take this the wrong way - I just feel starved for enough information upon which to make the right decision for my dog. Please humor me. :-) Thank you! Lauren & Nikko |
01-08-2009, 03:41 AM | #10 |
No Longer a Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Littleton, NH
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| Thanks for the info. I'm going to stay raw and only use kibble if I'm away from home. |
01-08-2009, 07:38 AM | #11 | |
Lovin' my R & R Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Middleton, Idaho
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Ok- in digestion organs turn the food into nutrients that the body can use. The carbs are turned to simple sugars, fats to fatty acids and protein to amino acids. The stomach does not "anticipate" what you are going to feed it. It takes what it gets and goes forth. Also, it's not the acids that break down the food but enzymes. Different enzymes are released depending on the actual type- protein, carbs, fat, etc. These enzymes break down those things and as it passes through, other organs contribute- mainly the pancreas- which releases it's own enzymes to break down more protein, fat and carbs. This is where pancreatitis comes in- if there is too much fat to break down it becomes over loaded and well that's a different story. Further down the line the liver contributes, and soon we're in the large intestine where the undigested parts pass through. This is a basic explanation, but I hope it answers your question. Let me know if you need more help and like I said, contact Ann, she is an amazing resource!!
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01-08-2009, 07:45 AM | #12 |
Lovin' my R & R Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Middleton, Idaho
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| Oh, I should also add that I add digestive enzymes as a supplement to assist the breakdown the foodsource and allow the body to absorb as much of the nutrients as possible. Good luck!
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01-08-2009, 07:46 AM | #13 |
Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: MN
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| If you want tons of info, join the Rawfeeding Yahoo group. There are people there who have fed raw for 10-20 years and have so much knowledge. There is also much information in the archives - including info about feeding raw and kibble together. The articles there can explain it way better than I can. |
01-08-2009, 10:50 AM | #14 |
YT Addict Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nevada
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| Haha, thanks guys... I just didn't want to sound like I was saying I knew what I was talking about and that you were wrong, like I was some arrogant noobie. I definitely don't know what I'm talking about, lol - there's a lot of contradictory advice and information out there, and I'm just beginning to try to sort through it all. I did join that list you mentioned, omega, and I'm in the process of reading through as much of the archives as I can. It was because of that list actually that I found a site with an article that I thought seemed really pretty well written, and explained a lot - and that's where I got the idea that kibble+raw was a bad idea. The link to the site is here, and this is the couple of sentences I read about acidity and enzymes and whatnot. I guess it's more of an argument against kibble altogether, and now that I look back at it, I can't remember where I read that the stomach "anticipates" anything, just that it is changed (somehow) by what the dog has been eating. Too much info crammed into my head, so much of it contradictory, it's just hard to keep track of it all... Anyways, here's what I read: "Actually, a very simple metabolic principal helps clarify the issue of mixing starches and proteins. Gastric pH needs to be acidic (low pH) to facilitate protein enzymes necessary to digest protein, and needs to be alkaline (high pH) to facilitate starch enzymes necessary to digest starches. Gastric juices can not be both at the same time. If starches and proteins are eaten together, neither one will be fully digested ... A carnivore's digestive system is by its very nature highly acidic in a healthy animal... "...When a carnivore's digestive system acidity is reduced enough with plant matter, the simple carbohydrates (e.g. grains) cause a spike of blood sugar and a surge of insulin. The resulting rush of insulin stores the blood sugar away, and a few hours later, blood sugar is lower than it was before eating. The body effectively thinks it has run out of fuel, but the insulin is still high enough to prevent burning fat. Thus back to hunger, and a vicious circle ripe for obesity." I hope it's ok to post this little quote since I've cited where it came from (here). If it isn't, let me know or just delete it. I'll definitely have to go bug Ann (Wylie's mom) when I get the chance... this is all quite confusing. Thank you :-) Lauren & Nikko |
01-08-2009, 05:23 PM | #15 |
Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: MN
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| Thank you for posting that. That makes very much sense to me. By the way... there was nothing wrong with anything you posted... certainly NOT arrogant. |
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