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11-26-2007, 05:05 PM | #1 |
YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Alexandria, VA
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| confused I am still waiting on Gigi's liver function test. The vet was extremely apologetic but app. the lab is backed up due to holiday. Anyway, my mom was in town and really wanted to take her regardless and even my dad called when they got home and asked me to consider that my mother's Christmas present. However, I don't know if she can handle it if Gigi does have a shunt and eventually needs to be put down. So I said I would think about it tonight and hopefully I will get an answer in the morning on the bile acid. Anyways.... lol... long story short... I thought I would read up just in case... so much info re: the liver shunts seems to be contridictory.... and even the food they put them on... I can't find any definate recipes... and no one seems to put the dogs on the same thing... Hills l/d.... Hills i/d.... Hills k/d.... on and on.... wouldn't you think there would be some general consesus... especially after reading the research from U of T saying that you can trace liver shunts to every known line of Yorkies? Is anyone else confused about the lack of continuity here? |
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11-26-2007, 05:11 PM | #2 |
Rachel & Tilula Belle Donating Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Southern Ohio
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| I hope it is negative. I hate the wait of such important info. Tell your parents not to let the excitement get the better of them. Wait so they can make a smart decision. fingers crossed |
11-26-2007, 05:18 PM | #3 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| What did you mean when you said she may have to be put down? Generally ls in Yorkies is surgically correctable and MVD can be managed by diet. I have also noticed that there are a few different opinions on the subject of feeding. I think what is right for one dog is not right for another. Have you been to the Yahoo liver shunt group? They are very knowledgeable and will be able to answer your questions.
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11-26-2007, 08:46 PM | #4 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA
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| A liver shunt does not equal a death sentence by any means at all. If she has an extrahepatic shunt that is operable, then the shunt can be fixed. Even if you find out she has MVD, that can be managed through diet, lactulose, and supplements. She can live a normal life. I would never recommend k/d or i/d to a liver compromised dog even if some vets recommend it because they both contain pork liver which is extremely high in purines (not good for liver compromised dogs). Also, the i/d contains turkey which is not good for liver compromised dogs because of the tryptophan. They can't handle it the same way as healthy dogs because they don't metabolize things they same as normal dogs. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/L...d_MVD_Support/ Please join the group and tell them your situation and her bloodwork or any other relevant information you may have. They will help you.
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11-27-2007, 06:26 AM | #5 |
Piper & Sebastian Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: florida
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| I believe there are quite a few furbabys with liver shunts, but I never heard of having to put them down because of it.
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11-27-2007, 10:17 AM | #6 |
YT Addict Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Alexandria, VA
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| put down Have none of the liver shunt dogs on here had to be put down? |
11-27-2007, 10:19 AM | #7 |
I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
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| Ive never heard of one being put down
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11-27-2007, 10:22 AM | #8 |
Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Los Angeles
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| I don't know too much about managing liver shunt but I think you should join that yahoo group and I sure hope the liver shunt test comes up negative.
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11-27-2007, 10:24 AM | #9 |
Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island
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| What does the breeder say about all of this? She is your friend right? Doesn't she have all the records of her breeding dogs at her kennel in Arkansas? Is there any Liver Shunt Dogs in this little ones line? Doesn't the breeder want her back to take care of her and get her surgery if she has a shunt? |
11-27-2007, 10:24 AM | #10 |
And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI
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| If someone has said that they put their Yorkie down because of a shunt, they probably couldn't afford the surgery or had a bad vet who didn't send them to the right specialists. Surgery should always be attempted with extrahepatic shunt and there is a good success rate if you go to a specialist. MVD can most definately be managed by diet and supplements. Some vets like to give poor prognoses when they see severe MVD, but that doesn't mean they're right.
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11-27-2007, 10:36 AM | #11 |
Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island
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| If she does have a Liver Shunt or MVD and you can not afford to give her the proper medical care, PLEASE surrender her to a Yorkie Rescue. As they will do everything in their power to get her back on track. Please don't ever consider PTS - She deserves a chance at a Happy and Healthy life. |
11-27-2007, 10:40 AM | #12 |
Donating YT 11K Club Member | One lady here had hers put down It was cause she was too small to get operated on and had a small chance of living, she got her money back for her and gave her back to the breeder/broker and they put her down. If it were my baby i would try to have her cured, you can always try. But she is very small, at 1 lb idk what her chances are.
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11-27-2007, 11:05 AM | #13 |
Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: USA
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| Dr. Tobias at the University of Tennessee is very, very experienced with liver shunt surgery in extremely tiny dogs and has an incredible success rate
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11-27-2007, 11:40 AM | #14 |
Yorkie Lover Donating Member | Having liver shunt is not a definte death sentence...we had a little one that was with us for a while who ended up having liver shunt. She ended having the surgery to correct it and now 6 months later is doing wonderful and is expected to live a completely normal life..she has put on weight and shows no signs of any liver illness now!! Things can work out, but it is expensive...but there is always someone out there who is willing to take the time to care for this little ones. Listen to your options and do what you can and please don't be afraid to ask for advice on here...we all know that fear of the unknown!!
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11-27-2007, 11:49 AM | #15 | |
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I have to agree
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