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11-15-2007, 11:33 AM | #1 |
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| Bikini BAT Results are in Hello everybody, Bikini's BAT results are in. Pre was 1 and Post was 33. Should I worry with results like that and no symptoms at all? My vet said that if we take a good care of her diet and watch her closely, she could live a long life without the surgery! He didn't seem to be worried since she have no symptoms. Its a relieve, let me tell you. But what do you think? Thanks,
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11-15-2007, 11:39 AM | #2 |
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| Well... I have no experience/knowledge about that... However, I would feel that if you completely trust your vet and he has no worries... then there's probably nothing to worry about. I would just do as he says and make sure she's on a good diet. Hopefully someone with exp. will post soon
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11-15-2007, 11:41 AM | #3 |
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| I'm sorry that it is still up. I would be concerned because it has been elevated twice, so I would probably do more testing. I am very cautious though. I don't really know what your vet is talking about when he says she may not need surgery. Liver shunt usually shows up with readings of over 100 (of course there are always exceptions). A number like 33 could suggest MVD and there is no surgery for that. Are you atleast going to change her diet and think about supplements?
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11-15-2007, 11:45 AM | #4 |
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| Yes, she is on Hepatetic L/S 14 and Hill's LD. My vet said that she can remain on that and I can add Milk Thistle to her diet. He was not worried with number like that with her having a long life. He said that we are lucky we found it early and that we can prevent longterm damage. Since she is not sick, he said why try to heal her? I know she was really stress when she came back from the vet. She vomited once and had a little Diarrhea in her stools. But today everything is back to normal. She is in a great health I don't think I will further the test unless she has a major health issue. For now, she has nothing. What do you think?
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11-15-2007, 11:52 AM | #5 |
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| ?o be honest, that is a really hard call. If they were only elevated once and then came down I would probably just go to a lower protein diet. Twice is once too many (unless it was caused by the pancreasis problem the first time). I guess I would stick with lower protein and retest in about three months. If it is up higher I would go to supplements (like Denosyl). You could actually do that now if you want. I'm sure other people on here will have ideas also...
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11-15-2007, 11:55 AM | #6 |
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| Yes she did it twice and when she did the first test she only did the Pre and it was at 31 because she had jaundice and pancreatitis. Now she had pre 1 and post 33, this is probably why I feel like with the proper diet and supplement, I can maintain her on the proper track
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11-15-2007, 01:45 PM | #7 |
Donating YT 30K Club Member | Cali had 2 Bile Acid tests. First was 0/95 second 0/39 or close to that. I had the ultrasound which showed normal no extrnal shunt. Specialist said readings under 100 in her experience can indicate MVD vs an external shunt. I had the liver biopsy done during her spay and it showed a very mild MVD and they said no treatment necessary. Just wanted to share my experience. Cali was a very sick puppy but seemed to outgrow it and the vet did not think it had anything to do with her MVD. You may want to get a second opinion just for peace of mind.
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11-15-2007, 05:07 PM | #8 |
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| Thank you, that is interesting Can you tell me after all these tests if you still keep your dog on a low protein diet? How old is your dog? I like having peoples experience! Any other people that had the BAT test done?
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11-19-2007, 12:20 PM | #9 |
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| I just got back from NC State for testing on my dog. He had no symptoms of anything - just an abnormal bile acid test 40/65. He didn't have any symptoms that are listed other than being a smaller little guy (at 2 years he is at 2 pounds). He has always been the perfect dog in terms of overall health (unless he ate things he shouldn't) and exercise level (my husband and I can't keep up with his drive). It depends on how far you want to take the exploration. I told NC State they could run every test they wanted but couldn't cut Kody open unless they had a reason. At the end of the days spent there and all of the testing, they didn't find anything. All bloodowork, urinalysis, ammonia levels, ultrasound, scintrigraphy, etc checked out perfectly. I opted not to change his diet but to give him the vitamin for the liver to help (because even if nothing is wrong it couldn't hurt). I will get extra tests done through my vet annually above and beyond the normal Bloodwork we have done, watch his behavior, etc and switch his food if necessary down the road. They said it was a strong belief that many dogs live with MVD their entire lives and never know b/c they don't exhibit a symptom (so don't have the tests that may show it is a possibility - e.g. bile acids). They live happy/healthy long lives. There are obviously varying degrees. I am happy I went somewhere that had specialists and I could get exact answers and talk to a lot of different people. My vet is great - but vets are like general practitioners (for the most part) and just don't have details on specialized cases (normally). Not that our vets locally aren't the best - so please don't take that statement that way. I hope this helps. |
11-20-2007, 04:44 AM | #10 |
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| This is interesting. This is what my vet told me too. He said many dogs live with MVD all their life without any problems. He said that I was lucky that I can prevent any longterm problems and that I have to be careful of her diet. I don'T want to do any more tests since we are on a restricted bugdet with 2 kids. But I watch out for any problems. So far, she is doing absolutely fantastic. So I won't test a non sick dog for the moment. At least, me and my vet know what to look for if she is suddenly sick. I'm glad your test came back negative... at least now you know and you can enjoy your lovable puppy
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11-20-2007, 05:40 AM | #11 | |
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The causes of jaundice are classified as pre-hepatic, hepatic, or post-hepatic, so obviously there is something going on with the liver if jaundice is present... Here's some information about jaundice and the link where you can read more on this topic: "The causes of jaundice are classified as pre-hepatic, hepatic, or post-hepatic in origin. Pre-hepatic jaundice occurs when red blood cell breakdown, or hemolysis, produces bilirubin faster than the liver can metabolize it. Hepatic jaundice results from primary and secondary diseases within the liver that interfere with the liver cells' ability to metabolize bilirubin or excrete it normally into the biliary tract. Post-hepatic jaundice can result from obstruction to the flow of bilirubin-containing bile within the bile duct or from injury that causes leakage from the gallbladder or bile duct." http://www.pets.ca/encyclopedia/jaundice_dog.htm
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