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Old 03-20-2008, 11:01 AM   #1
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Default blood panel done on Kacee!!! what to do

I had a blood panel done on Kacee this morning.. his kidney count was higher then the vet would like in order to do teeth cleaning on him... so I do not know what to do.. she said it is more expensive but she can use something else on him so she can flush out his kidneys while doing his teeth and it is less harmful and much safer.. I have no idea what she is talking about.. can some one help me.. I cannot lose him.. and am so afraid.. I did not book the date yet..

Not sure if I am in the right place with this or not...sorry if it is not..
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Old 03-20-2008, 11:59 AM   #2
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Oh no

I would wait on the cleaning for a bit (unless the teeth are so bad that that is what is skewing the kidney enzyme results).
What number was up?
I would want to know why it is up before surgery...
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I would wait on putting her out unless it was life threatening not to. Did your vet suggest a specialist? Dixie had off the chart kidney values and I took her to a kidney specialist(nephrologist). I hope it turns out ok.
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Old 03-20-2008, 03:12 PM   #4
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ones in the red are... this is what the paper says that the vet gave me.. does not make sense to me...does it to anyone..

ALP 10* 20-150 U/L
BUN 32* 7-25mg/dl


I am not putting him under and his breath smells.. but not doing it when the vet says it is a little off.. she asked if he was drinking a lot of water before I brought him.. but no one said to not let him have any water prior to..

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I'm so sorry Kacee 's blood work may have a problem, I don't know what it means but I did find a couple of links that might offer you some explanations as to what the numbers mean...wishing Kacee the best....

http://www.bichonfriseusa.com/caninebloodwork.htm

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Con...EVetID=3001496

http://www.thepetcenter.com/pha/cp.html
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Blood Urea Nitrogen (BUN)
BUN is a waste product. A low BUN can indicate liver disease, and an increased BUN can indicate severe kidney disease or dehydration.


ALP (Alkaline phosphatase) says liver

I am still not understanding this too well...
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I'm looking at the numbers also ans it looks like if the ALP is increased it wold indicate a liver problem which your numbers are not increased....and a higher BUN might be kidneys.....I would call the vet and go over these numbers and ask him what you should do next....

I did have a pup once that was dehydrated and she had a high BUN number so it was not the kidneys..... but they also looked at the creatinine number with the BUN and the creatinine was normal, if this had been high too then it would have indicated a kidney problem....
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can i ask what you are feeding Kacee?
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can i ask what you are feeding Kacee?
ukenuba I know it is not spelled right, and hills sciene diet td for their teeth..

could his food be doing this to him.. oh my...
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ukenuba I know it is not spelled right, and hills sciene diet td for their teeth..

could his food be doing this to him.. oh my...
its possible. those values can have a connection to diet in some cases.

"Conditions that lead to malnutrition (such as celiac disease) or are caused by a lack of nutrients in the diet (such as scurvy) can cause low ALP levels."

" Increased BUN levels suggest impaired kidney function. This may be due to acute or chronic kidney disease, damage, or failure. It may also be due to a condition that results in decreased blood flow to the kidneys, such as congestive heart failure, shock, stress, recent heart attack, or severe burns, to conditions that cause obstruction of urine flow, or to dehydration. BUN concentrations may be elevated when there is excessive protein catabolism (breakdown), significantly increased protein in the diet, or gastrointestinal bleeding (because of the proteins present in the blood).'
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its possible. those values can have a connection to diet in some cases.

"Conditions that lead to malnutrition (such as celiac disease) or are caused by a lack of nutrients in the diet (such as scurvy) can cause low ALP levels."

" Increased BUN levels suggest impaired kidney function. This may be due to acute or chronic kidney disease, damage, or failure. It may also be due to a condition that results in decreased blood flow to the kidneys, such as congestive heart failure, shock, stress, recent heart attack, or severe burns, to conditions that cause obstruction of urine flow, or to dehydration. BUN concentrations may be elevated when there is excessive protein catabolism (breakdown), significantly increased protein in the diet, or gastrointestinal bleeding (because of the proteins present in the blood).'
so the food is probably to high in protein then.. any ideas what I can change him to... he has lost weight over months.. since I put him on the td.. but the vet wanted him to lose 1/2 a pounds as he was 4 pounds and for his frame he needed to be less as he has lp... so any food suggestions would be great.. problem is I am in florida in the winter and ontario in the summer.. so to get a food I can get in both places is really what I need to find..thanks so much for you help.. anne
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so the food is probably to high in protein then.. any ideas what I can change him to... he has lost weight over months.. since I put him on the td.. but the vet wanted him to lose 1/2 a pounds as he was 4 pounds and for his frame he needed to be less as he has lp... so any food suggestions would be great.. problem is I am in florida in the winter and ontario in the summer.. so to get a food I can get in both places is really what I need to find..thanks so much for you help.. anne
i don't think eukanuba has high protein levels and the T/D certainly doesn't. Check your bag of food or look it up online.

is he usually healthy otherwise? have you noticed anything wrong other then the lp?
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i don't think eukanuba has high protein levels and the T/D certainly doesn't. Check your bag of food or look it up online.

is he usually healthy otherwise? have you noticed anything wrong other then the lp?
No he has been healthy since day one.. no problems, he had his teeth cleaned before and I always did bloodwork first..so I was quite surprised today. he was neutered also.. he was 5 years old in December..
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No he has been healthy since day one.. no problems, he had his teeth cleaned before and I always did bloodwork first..so I was quite surprised today. he was neutered also.. he was 5 years old in December..
if you think the results are off you can always do a 12 hour fast and make an appt for first thing in the morning at the vets so its not like he's missing a meal. have them re-do the blood test and see if the results are similar or different.
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if you think the results are off you can always do a 12 hour fast and make an appt for first thing in the morning at the vets so its not like he's missing a meal. have them re-do the blood test and see if the results are similar or different.
The vet did mention I could redo them, I think I will too.. as she will only worry about the two.. one was only just barely showing red.
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