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Dan & Corinne · 06-10-2006, 11:07 PM

While learning about Jewel disease I came accross the most incredible website www.dogtorj.tripod.com

This website is LOADED with information but it's challenge to read. There is a wealth of knowlege but can be tough to follow.

Here is the part I want to share with you since there seems to be posts about allergies & epilepsy and other illnesses I feel can be helped with this information.

Are you ready?
There is a list of foods to eliminate at the end of this post.

From:
Dogtor J.
dogtorj@bellsouth.net

Edited by Corinne York

There are three food ingredients that actually works like glue and adheres these things in your intestines called villi of the duodenum. The villi is very important since the villi's moves the food though your intestine and absorbs important nutrients from the food you eat.

These three substances are gluten (from the grains), casein (from cow milk products), and soy protein.

What is it that links these substances together? For one, they are all used as adhesives, either as non-food glues or as binders in the foods we consume. Gluten, casein, soy and even corn are all used in industry as adhesives, some even being waterproof. They are not only used in the food industry to hold items such as oats together but they are put to use in industry to hold just about anything together.

As we all know, it is the nature of the starches to be sticky. And, as it turns out, the foods that are the "stickiest" are the ones that cause the most problems. Casein and gluten are used for the most powerful adhesives. Therefore, it should be not be a shock that they are the number one and number two childhood food allergens according to the FDA. What is number four? Soy. What is number three? Eggs. (This is the first secondary allergen brought about by the damage done to the gut by the first two.)

Now that you have an idea of where we are headed, you can imagine the stomach is filled with "glue-containing" food. This "glue" leaves the stomach after it has been worked on as much as possible by that organ. As simple-stomached animals, our pets and we are not designed to eat grasses like cows and sheep do, and all of the grains are in the grass family. They are all grasses that man has chosen to consume, with those in Asia picking their grass (rice), the Europeans choosing their grasses (wheat and barley), and those in central America picking corn. Here in America, we consume them all and in abundance.

In an attempt to digest these grasses and their "glue" (along with dairy and soy), our stomach adds as much acid as possible to break them down. Heart burn, anyone? (Yes, my two years of acid reflux abated after just one week of being gluten- free. This, again, should be no surprise.) But, the increased acid is inadequate to eliminate the "glue". It is this sticky substance that adheres to the villi of the duodenum. Whether it be from wheat, cow milk, soy, corn, or the others mentioned, it adheres to these finger-like projections of the intestine that are vital for the absorption of nutrients, effectively reducing the amount of those essential ingredients that would be absorbed into the bloodstream.

What are those nutrients? The vital substances are calcium, iron, iodine, all B complex, vitamin C, most water-soluble vitamins, and most of our trace minerals such as zinc, boron, manganese, magnesium and more. In other words, just about everything that is important other than our proteins, fats, and calories are absorbed by the duodenum. How well can this organ function when it is coated with "glue"?

This immune assault also generates the warning antibodies that we call "allergies" to tell you that this is process is taking place. Otherwise, it would be a "stealth operation" that goes on undetected for years and years until the bottom falls out. Yes, this is all too familiar of a scenario as well, isn't it? It happens in pets all of the time.

In the pet, every bite of the average commercial food has "glue" in it, whether it is of wheat, barley, soy, corn, or rice origin. Yes, there are better glues" than others and they are in line with what we see as the principle allergens in the pet, just as one would expect. Wheat and soy are the worst (now that dairy has been eliminated from pet foods) while oats and rice are the best...the least sticky. Corn is in the middle. This is exactly what we see as the main sources of food allergies in the pet, a problem of huge importance in dogs and cats. Now people can understand why lamb and rice foods have become so popular. Rice is the least of the adhesives and thereby less allergenic and lamb is (or at least used to be) an unusual protein source compared to beef and others, which have become the main secondary allergens in the pet. It does all make sense.

Foods to Eliminate

1) Wheat, barley, rye - ALL of these grains. (including bread, snack crackers, treats, etc.) Oats are the safest grains from an immunlogical standpoint (least allergy-producing) but they do have high levels of glutamate in them and will contribute to pain and epilepsy.

2) Dairy products - ALL of them. (including milk, cheese, whey, casein, dried skim milk, etc.)

3) Soy - ALL of it. (This is also a HUGE problem in people)

4) Corn- (including corn gluten meal)- Try to eliminate as much of this as possbible. This is especailly important in asthma, pain syndromes, lower gastrointestinal problems, and epilepsy. Eliminate ALL of this whenever possible.

5) Beef and fish - (only if allergy symptoms are present and persistent. These are the most common secondary allergens in the dog and cat, respectively.)

6) Artificial preservatives and colors - (You want to see preserved with vit.E)

By eliminating the above items, you will be taking care of at least 80% of all food allergens and all three of the major sources of food intolerance (gluten in grains, casein in dairy, and soy protein.)

This must be considered in ALL foods, including TREATS and TABLE FOOD.

Mitzis Mom · 06-11-2006, 06:38 AM

Very intersting! Thanks for posting!

tsehasd · 06-11-2006, 02:25 PM

Thank you for braking it down. I looked at the site and thought I would be there forever. This was very helpful!!!!

Dan & Corinne · 06-11-2006, 08:36 PM

Thank you for taking the time to read the thread since I think it really makes sense. Let me know if you decide to try it and what your results are.

bobnsusan · 06-12-2006, 03:36 PM

In case no one knows hotdogs for humans the ones with bi-products in them caused my Pekinese to have seizures every time he ate them. He would fall onto the floor convulse even wet himself at times a hour after eating. I was a young kid then and the animals ate leftovers so it took a while to understand the cause. He would do anything to get them and there was no doubt about it being the hotdogs. So don't even give as a treat. I am not sure what in them caused the problem but it makes me very cautious of the cheaper mixed meat hotdogs. If they can cause seizures in dogs what about humans? If someone has more info on this or problems please share.

Mom of a special Yorkie named Rudy!

MyTrixie143 · 06-20-2006, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan & Corinne

Thank you for taking the time to read the thread since I think it really makes sense. Let me know if you decide to try it and what your results are.

I had stomach problems for a long time before my doctors concluded that I was simply allergic to gluten (this was a long time ago and I have been gluten-free for awhile now). Once I went off of gluten I began feeling much better. I still on an occassion eat food with gluten, I just can't help it. But for the most part I stay away from it and I figured if it is bad for me, it can be bad for my dogs. I didn't know that about gluten being like a glue, it all makes sense now. Thanks for the intersting info.

Dan & Corinne · 07-27-2006, 08:15 PM

I'm glad to hear you are feeling better. Isn't it amazing how what we eat can affect how our bodies feels and acts? Your post it a wonderful proof that glutens makes a difference.

Thanks for posting!

Amber_lv · 07-27-2006, 09:02 PM

ok not to sound sinical but... If you can't eat dairy products grains or meats what the heck are you supposed to eat to live lol!!!

Dan & Corinne · 07-27-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Amber_lv

ok not to sound sinical but... If you can't eat dairy products grains or meats what the heck are you supposed to eat to live lol!!!

Bugs!

Actually, I know this post is not for everyone. But I've tried it and it helped Jazzie with her itching and it helped Jewel curb her seizures from 5 to 9 times a month to 1 or 2 every 2 months. Her doctors wanted to start her on chemo but we chose to try this method first. We couldn't be happier to see her improve without the use of chemotherapy.

I just started the thread for people who are willing to try a different method that does not involve medications. It's up to each of you to decide if this is something you want to try.

My only thought as I wrote the thread is "If this thread can help just one furbaby or person, what I learned to help Jewel has not gone to waste".

Amber_lv · 07-27-2006, 09:27 PM

Please don't get me wrong i was just kidding i think it's great you found this and posted it i just think it's funny sometimes what we should or shouldn't be eating if we went by what evryone ever said i think we might have to eat bugs LOL (untill they tell those are bad for us to) I hope i didn't offend you or anyone else just wanted to make a little laughter cause i caught my self giggling when i thought about it.

Dan & Corinne · 07-27-2006, 10:18 PM

No!!! I didn't take any offense! That's why I said bugs!

It was just a good opportunity to add a bit more of my thoughts to the subject. So Thanks!

RLC12345678 · 06-08-2007, 07:40 AM

I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to bring it back up. I, too, came across Dogtor J's website and it was SO EXTREMELY helpful to me when I was battling Hobbs' dry, itchy, dandruffy skin. Because of Dogtor J's website, Hobbs is 100% better, and without medication.

Wylie's Mom · 06-08-2007, 08:12 AM

EXCELLENT post! Esp. for those who have dogs w/ allergies....and even those who don't.

I wonder when it comes to yogurt - does the benefit of the cultures outweigh the con of the dairy?

I must say, it's always kinda amusing to me when people say "how could we not eat dairy!" - dairy is about the most unnatural thing in the world for us to eat. It's as odd as eating horse milk, cat milk, or our yorkie's milk for that matter! It's not made for humans, which is why it causes so many allergies and issues for many people.

I'm not saying I don't eat dairy, I do eat a little of it - so don't get me wrong there. It's just kind of amusing if you consider the origin of dairy.

RLC12345678 · 06-08-2007, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

EXCELLENT post! Esp. for those who have dogs w/ allergies....and even those who don't.

I wonder when it comes to yogurt - does the benefit of the cultures outweigh the con of the dairy?

I must say, it's always kinda amusing to me when people say "how could we not eat dairy!" - dairy is about the most unnatural thing in the world for us to eat. It's as odd as eating horse milk, cat milk, or our yorkie's milk for that matter! It's not made for humans, which is why it causes so many allergies and issues for many people.

I'm not saying I don't eat dairy, I do eat a little of it - so don't get me wrong there. It's just kind of amusing if you consider the origin of dairy.

hehehe I agree with that! I wonder who was the person to one day say, "Hey! I think I'll squeeze this bag hanging under this cow and drink whatever comes out!" Silly!

Wylie's Mom · 06-08-2007, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan & Corinne

www.dogtorj.tripod.com

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06-10-2006, 11:07 PM	#1
Dan & Corinne Inactive Account Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 4,387	Epilepsy or Allergy Suffers Please Read - For Both Humans and Furry Babies While learning about Jewel disease I came accross the most incredible website www.dogtorj.tripod.com This website is LOADED with information but it's challenge to read. There is a wealth of knowlege but can be tough to follow. Here is the part I want to share with you since there seems to be posts about allergies & epilepsy and other illnesses I feel can be helped with this information. Are you ready? There is a list of foods to eliminate at the end of this post. From: Dogtor J. dogtorj@bellsouth.net Edited by Corinne York There are three food ingredients that actually works like glue and adheres these things in your intestines called villi of the duodenum. The villi is very important since the villi's moves the food though your intestine and absorbs important nutrients from the food you eat. These three substances are gluten (from the grains), casein (from cow milk products), and soy protein. What is it that links these substances together? For one, they are all used as adhesives, either as non-food glues or as binders in the foods we consume. Gluten, casein, soy and even corn are all used in industry as adhesives, some even being waterproof. They are not only used in the food industry to hold items such as oats together but they are put to use in industry to hold just about anything together. As we all know, it is the nature of the starches to be sticky. And, as it turns out, the foods that are the "stickiest" are the ones that cause the most problems. Casein and gluten are used for the most powerful adhesives. Therefore, it should be not be a shock that they are the number one and number two childhood food allergens according to the FDA. What is number four? Soy. What is number three? Eggs. (This is the first secondary allergen brought about by the damage done to the gut by the first two.) Now that you have an idea of where we are headed, you can imagine the stomach is filled with "glue-containing" food. This "glue" leaves the stomach after it has been worked on as much as possible by that organ. As simple-stomached animals, our pets and we are not designed to eat grasses like cows and sheep do, and all of the grains are in the grass family. They are all grasses that man has chosen to consume, with those in Asia picking their grass (rice), the Europeans choosing their grasses (wheat and barley), and those in central America picking corn. Here in America, we consume them all and in abundance. In an attempt to digest these grasses and their "glue" (along with dairy and soy), our stomach adds as much acid as possible to break them down. Heart burn, anyone? (Yes, my two years of acid reflux abated after just one week of being gluten- free. This, again, should be no surprise.) But, the increased acid is inadequate to eliminate the "glue". It is this sticky substance that adheres to the villi of the duodenum. Whether it be from wheat, cow milk, soy, corn, or the others mentioned, it adheres to these finger-like projections of the intestine that are vital for the absorption of nutrients, effectively reducing the amount of those essential ingredients that would be absorbed into the bloodstream. What are those nutrients? The vital substances are calcium, iron, iodine, all B complex, vitamin C, most water-soluble vitamins, and most of our trace minerals such as zinc, boron, manganese, magnesium and more. In other words, just about everything that is important other than our proteins, fats, and calories are absorbed by the duodenum. How well can this organ function when it is coated with "glue"? This immune assault also generates the warning antibodies that we call "allergies" to tell you that this is process is taking place. Otherwise, it would be a "stealth operation" that goes on undetected for years and years until the bottom falls out. Yes, this is all too familiar of a scenario as well, isn't it? It happens in pets all of the time. In the pet, every bite of the average commercial food has "glue" in it, whether it is of wheat, barley, soy, corn, or rice origin. Yes, there are better glues" than others and they are in line with what we see as the principle allergens in the pet, just as one would expect. Wheat and soy are the worst (now that dairy has been eliminated from pet foods) while oats and rice are the best...the least sticky. Corn is in the middle. This is exactly what we see as the main sources of food allergies in the pet, a problem of huge importance in dogs and cats. Now people can understand why lamb and rice foods have become so popular. Rice is the least of the adhesives and thereby less allergenic and lamb is (or at least used to be) an unusual protein source compared to beef and others, which have become the main secondary allergens in the pet. It does all make sense. Foods to Eliminate 1) Wheat, barley, rye - ALL of these grains. (including bread, snack crackers, treats, etc.) Oats are the safest grains from an immunlogical standpoint (least allergy-producing) but they do have high levels of glutamate in them and will contribute to pain and epilepsy. 2) Dairy products - ALL of them. (including milk, cheese, whey, casein, dried skim milk, etc.) 3) Soy - ALL of it. (This is also a HUGE problem in people) 4) Corn- (including corn gluten meal)- Try to eliminate as much of this as possbible. This is especailly important in asthma, pain syndromes, lower gastrointestinal problems, and epilepsy. Eliminate ALL of this whenever possible. 5) Beef and fish - (only if allergy symptoms are present and persistent. These are the most common secondary allergens in the dog and cat, respectively.) 6) Artificial preservatives and colors - (You want to see preserved with vit.E) By eliminating the above items, you will be taking care of at least 80% of all food allergens and all three of the major sources of food intolerance (gluten in grains, casein in dairy, and soy protein.) This must be considered in ALL foods, including TREATS and TABLE FOOD. __________________ Jazzie Jolie Jen & I'm Corinne Loving Memory of Jewel 4/28/2003~4/18/2006

06-11-2006, 02:25 PM	#3
tsehasd Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 97	thank you Thank you for braking it down. I looked at the site and thought I would be there forever. This was very helpful!!!! __________________ tsehasd

06-11-2006, 08:36 PM	#4
Dan & Corinne Inactive Account Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 4,387	Thank you for taking the time to read the thread since I think it really makes sense. Let me know if you decide to try it and what your results are. __________________ Jazzie Jolie Jen & I'm Corinne Loving Memory of Jewel 4/28/2003~4/18/2006

06-12-2006, 03:36 PM	#5
bobnsusan Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: nd Posts: 51	Eplilepsy and hotdogs In case no one knows hotdogs for humans the ones with bi-products in them caused my Pekinese to have seizures every time he ate them. He would fall onto the floor convulse even wet himself at times a hour after eating. I was a young kid then and the animals ate leftovers so it took a while to understand the cause. He would do anything to get them and there was no doubt about it being the hotdogs. So don't even give as a treat. I am not sure what in them caused the problem but it makes me very cautious of the cheaper mixed meat hotdogs. If they can cause seizures in dogs what about humans? If someone has more info on this or problems please share. Mom of a special Yorkie named Rudy!

07-27-2006, 08:15 PM	#7
Dan & Corinne Inactive Account Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 4,387	I'm glad to hear you are feeling better. Isn't it amazing how what we eat can affect how our bodies feels and acts? Your post it a wonderful proof that glutens makes a difference. Thanks for posting! __________________ Jazzie Jolie Jen & I'm Corinne Loving Memory of Jewel 4/28/2003~4/18/2006

06-11-2006, 06:38 AM	#2
Mitzis Mom No Longer a Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 2,837	Very intersting! Thanks for posting!

07-27-2006, 09:02 PM	#8
Amber_lv Peeka Boo I See You! Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 7,161 Blog Entries: 3	ok not to sound sinical but... If you can't eat dairy products grains or meats what the heck are you supposed to eat to live lol!!! __________________ Peeka-Boo-Daisy-Designs <---Click Here Peeka's MyspaceDaisy's Myspace Peeka's Dogster

07-27-2006, 09:27 PM	#10
Amber_lv Peeka Boo I See You! Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Salt Lake Posts: 7,161 Blog Entries: 3	Please don't get me wrong i was just kidding i think it's great you found this and posted it i just think it's funny sometimes what we should or shouldn't be eating if we went by what evryone ever said i think we might have to eat bugs LOL (untill they tell those are bad for us to) I hope i didn't offend you or anyone else just wanted to make a little laughter cause i caught my self giggling when i thought about it. __________________ Peeka-Boo-Daisy-Designs <---Click Here Peeka's MyspaceDaisy's Myspace Peeka's Dogster

07-27-2006, 10:18 PM	#11
Dan & Corinne Inactive Account Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 4,387	No!!! I didn't take any offense! That's why I said bugs! It was just a good opportunity to add a bit more of my thoughts to the subject. So Thanks! __________________ Jazzie Jolie Jen & I'm Corinne Loving Memory of Jewel 4/28/2003~4/18/2006

06-08-2007, 07:40 AM	#12
RLC12345678 I heart Hootie & Hobbs Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: USA Posts: 7,149	I know this is an old thread, but I just wanted to bring it back up. I, too, came across Dogtor J's website and it was SO EXTREMELY helpful to me when I was battling Hobbs' dry, itchy, dandruffy skin. Because of Dogtor J's website, Hobbs is 100% better, and without medication.

06-08-2007, 08:12 AM	#13
Wylie's Mom Furbutts = LOVE Donating Member Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 35,889 Blog Entries: 2	EXCELLENT post! Esp. for those who have dogs w/ allergies....and even those who don't. I wonder when it comes to yogurt - does the benefit of the cultures outweigh the con of the dairy? I must say, it's always kinda amusing to me when people say "how could we not eat dairy!" - dairy is about the most unnatural thing in the world for us to eat. It's as odd as eating horse milk, cat milk, or our yorkie's milk for that matter! It's not made for humans, which is why it causes so many allergies and issues for many people. I'm not saying I don't eat dairy, I do eat a little of it - so don't get me wrong there. It's just kind of amusing if you consider the origin of dairy. __________________ ~ A friend told me I was delusional. I nearly fell off my unicorn. ~ °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨° Ann \| Pfeiffer \| Marcel Verdel Purcell \| Wylie \| Artie °¨¨¨°ºOº°¨¨¨°