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ingallsra · 07-02-2005, 10:41 PM

This isn't meant to start a controversy--I just thought it would be interesting to get everyone's opinions on so-called "vicious" dog breeds i.e. pit bulls, presa canarios, rottweilers etc...
We've all read the stories and seen the news of someone being mauled or killed by one of the notorious breeds.
I am a firm believer in giving every dog a chance regardless of breed, but I have to admit I would be nervous to run into certain types of dogs if I were alone.
I've had friends and relatives who've had these breeds, and they swore their dogs were wonderful. I honestly believe there are great dogs in every breed, and a lot of it comes down to training, but how does everyone else feel. Please give your honest opinion!

Are pit bulls, presas, rotts, getting a bad wrap?

jesscruz · 07-02-2005, 10:49 PM

my honest opinion on this is it's not the dog it's the owner. i mean i don't know too much about these breeds but i don't believe that dogs are born mean. to me it's the ignorant owners who make them that way

Stitches29 · 07-02-2005, 11:10 PM

When you think about it, all dogs will bite. Owners say they won't, but it's only a matter of time. If our little Yorkies had a great deal of weight to their frame, they would be considered vicious too.

jesscruz · 07-02-2005, 11:37 PM

i don't believe that all dogs will bite...i have had many dogs in my life that never bit anyone and that never even growled at anyone. jmho.

ReconsMomma · 07-03-2005, 12:23 AM

I have been raised with and have raised my children with rotties. Rotties are WONDERFUL dogs. I also have a really close friend who has a pit bull that is a therapy dog.

So IMO it is not the dog it is the handler/owner.

rnnw62 · 07-03-2005, 01:28 AM

I also agree that there is good in every breed. I know
there is no way this probably could ever happen but
I wish that there was a way to monitor the people
who are buying dogs that are classified as more likely
to be a problem. If they were in healthy homes with
caring people I think the problems wouldn't be far less.
But again that's JMO. Handing these sort of dogs over
to people that have had a violent history just doesn't
seem real logical.

Julie1 · 07-03-2005, 03:02 AM

In my experience small dogs are far more vicious than large ones - the difference is large ones can kill

Anyone who keeps a dog be it small or large has a duty to keep people and other animals safe from harm and that means knowing what your dog is capable of and being able to stop it harming anyone if necessary. All dogs are capable if pushed far enough of biting it just takes more pushing to get some to react.

MeganS · 07-03-2005, 05:45 AM

I love them. pit bulls are so sweet and so are rotties. but they have the instincts to be agressive. and when anyone says that, they don't realize that its the same with every breed. pit bulls can look aggressive and their owners can train them to be aggressive. the only difference between them and small dogs is that they can do a lot more damage. every single breed has the instincts to be aggressive. some yorkies can even be aggressive. with any dog anyone gets, it is up to the owner to train them from the time they get them that biting and acting like that is not acceptable. thats the way i think of it anyway.

browniesmom622 · 07-05-2005, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by jesscruz

my honest opinion on this is it's not the dog it's the owner. i mean i don't know too much about these breeds but i don't believe that dogs are born mean. to me it's the ignorant owners who make them that way

totally agree

Breeze · 07-05-2005, 09:03 AM

I could not vote as my opinion is " I like them-but some of their irrsponsible owners should be controlled."

wollfy · 07-05-2005, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jesscruz

my honest opinion on this is it's not the dog it's the owner. i mean i don't know too much about these breeds but i don't believe that dogs are born mean. to me it's the ignorant owners who make them that way

I totally agree.

letty00 · 07-06-2005, 12:24 AM

My brother has two pitbulls and they are the sweetest dogs in the world. He doesn't want them to be mean dogs and they're not. Puppies aren't born mean, they're too innocent. They don't know anything at first. In my opinion you have to teach a dog to be vicious, they're not born that way.

alaskayorkie · 07-06-2005, 01:02 AM

I agree with all of those who said it's not the dog but the owner. That said, I'm for strict control of both. If the owner is responsible, "strict control" is not an issue. Their dog will always be penned or leashed. I've seen too many maulings, and it's always by rotties or pitbulls. When it comes to dogs attacking humans, there should be zero tolerance. We just had an incident in Anchorage where a loose rottie and pitbull attacked and almost killed a moose. A state biologist came by, and after several attempts to chase the dogs away, he killed the dogs. The owner was reportedly furious, but I totally agreed. These dogs were out of control and needed to be stopped immediately.

ssguzzy828 · 07-09-2005, 01:42 PM

I 110% agree that its the owners not the dogs. As dog owners you have to be ready to socialize and train your dogs. Thats one of the biggest reasons dos become aggressive. If owners keep them tied up in the back yard with out any socialization or training or just basic attention then you have a dog that is not going to trust. I have a shepherd that is the sweetest thing but we also play with him everyday,give him treats and train with him. i used to live next door to a family that kept thier retriever tied to his dog house and not ever did i se them take the dog in or for walks or even play with him. The poor thing died one summer when it was really hot outside. i couldnt believe it when they went ahead and purchased another dog. I dont know its such a sensitive subject i have never been in a situation with an aggressive dog so i dont know what that feels like. i guess its like humans its how we are raised that makes us the people we are.

StewiesMom · 07-09-2005, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ssguzzy828

I 110% agree that its the owners not the dogs. As dog owners you have to be ready to socialize and train your dogs. Thats one of the biggest reasons dos become aggressive. If owners keep them tied up in the back yard with out any socialization or training or just basic attention then you have a dog that is not going to trust. I have a shepherd that is the sweetest thing but we also play with him everyday,give him treats and train with him. i used to live next door to a family that kept thier retriever tied to his dog house and not ever did i se them take the dog in or for walks or even play with him. The poor thing died one summer when it was really hot outside. i couldnt believe it when they went ahead and purchased another dog. I dont know its such a sensitive subject i have never been in a situation with an aggressive dog so i dont know what that feels like. i guess its like humans its how we are raised that makes us the people we are.

How about when Stewie attack your Shep, Sue?

View Poll Results: How do you feel about so-called vicious breeds?
I think they're fine and they and their owners should be left alone.	5	8.33%
I don't like them at all.	5	8.33%
I like them, but there should be ordinances controlling them.	20	33.33%
I don't like them, and there should be ordinances controlling them.	28	46.67%
I don't care either way	2	3.33%
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07-02-2005, 10:41 PM	#1
ingallsra YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 367	Vicious Dogs This isn't meant to start a controversy--I just thought it would be interesting to get everyone's opinions on so-called "vicious" dog breeds i.e. pit bulls, presa canarios, rottweilers etc... We've all read the stories and seen the news of someone being mauled or killed by one of the notorious breeds. I am a firm believer in giving every dog a chance regardless of breed, but I have to admit I would be nervous to run into certain types of dogs if I were alone. I've had friends and relatives who've had these breeds, and they swore their dogs were wonderful. I honestly believe there are great dogs in every breed, and a lot of it comes down to training, but how does everyone else feel. Please give your honest opinion! Are pit bulls, presas, rotts, getting a bad wrap?

07-02-2005, 10:49 PM	#2
jesscruz YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: seaside,ca Posts: 1,764	my honest opinion on this is it's not the dog it's the owner. i mean i don't know too much about these breeds but i don't believe that dogs are born mean. to me it's the ignorant owners who make them that way __________________ mommy's little baby coco bear

07-02-2005, 11:10 PM	#3
Stitches29 My Little Magwad Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 1,709	When you think about it, all dogs will bite. Owners say they won't, but it's only a matter of time. If our little Yorkies had a great deal of weight to their frame, they would be considered vicious too. __________________ "Texas Aggie's Maggie" (Brenda)

07-02-2005, 11:37 PM	#4
jesscruz YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: seaside,ca Posts: 1,764	i don't believe that all dogs will bite...i have had many dogs in my life that never bit anyone and that never even growled at anyone. jmho. __________________ mommy's little baby coco bear

07-03-2005, 12:23 AM	#5
ReconsMomma BANNED! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Janesville WI Posts: 2,483	I have been raised with and have raised my children with rotties. Rotties are WONDERFUL dogs. I also have a really close friend who has a pit bull that is a therapy dog. So IMO it is not the dog it is the handler/owner.

07-03-2005, 01:28 AM	#6
rnnw62 Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Gilbert, Arizona Posts: 1,606	I also agree that there is good in every breed. I know there is no way this probably could ever happen but I wish that there was a way to monitor the people who are buying dogs that are classified as more likely to be a problem. If they were in healthy homes with caring people I think the problems wouldn't be far less. But again that's JMO. Handing these sort of dogs over to people that have had a violent history just doesn't seem real logical. __________________ Shelly, Teddy, Toby,Hanne & Indigo

07-03-2005, 03:02 AM	#7
Julie1 YT Addict Join Date: May 2005 Location: Surrey Posts: 333	In my experience small dogs are far more vicious than large ones - the difference is large ones can kill Anyone who keeps a dog be it small or large has a duty to keep people and other animals safe from harm and that means knowing what your dog is capable of and being able to stop it harming anyone if necessary. All dogs are capable if pushed far enough of biting it just takes more pushing to get some to react.

07-03-2005, 05:45 AM	#8
MeganS Donating YT 7000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 10,031 Blog Entries: 1	I love them. pit bulls are so sweet and so are rotties. but they have the instincts to be agressive. and when anyone says that, they don't realize that its the same with every breed. pit bulls can look aggressive and their owners can train them to be aggressive. the only difference between them and small dogs is that they can do a lot more damage. every single breed has the instincts to be aggressive. some yorkies can even be aggressive. with any dog anyone gets, it is up to the owner to train them from the time they get them that biting and acting like that is not acceptable. thats the way i think of it anyway. __________________ Megan Positive posting makes every day brighter! "I stand for the power to change." - I Stand by Idina Menzel "I have my dreams. I have made plans." - The Pirate Queen musical Last edited by MeganS; 07-03-2005 at 05:47 AM.

07-05-2005, 09:03 AM	#10
Breeze Puppy Luv Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,807	I could not vote as my opinion is " I like them-but some of their irrsponsible owners should be controlled." __________________ Mommy to Daisy May & Bear

07-06-2005, 12:24 AM	#12
letty00 Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2005 Location: Banning, CA Posts: 333	My brother has two pitbulls and they are the sweetest dogs in the world. He doesn't want them to be mean dogs and they're not. Puppies aren't born mean, they're too innocent. They don't know anything at first. In my opinion you have to teach a dog to be vicious, they're not born that way.

07-06-2005, 01:02 AM	#13
alaskayorkie Race to 7,000 champ Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anchorage Posts: 10,042 Blog Entries: 24	I agree with all of those who said it's not the dog but the owner. That said, I'm for strict control of both. If the owner is responsible, "strict control" is not an issue. Their dog will always be penned or leashed. I've seen too many maulings, and it's always by rotties or pitbulls. When it comes to dogs attacking humans, there should be zero tolerance. We just had an incident in Anchorage where a loose rottie and pitbull attacked and almost killed a moose. A state biologist came by, and after several attempts to chase the dogs away, he killed the dogs. The owner was reportedly furious, but I totally agreed. These dogs were out of control and needed to be stopped immediately. __________________ Meet Eddie and Jack: www.dogster.com/?159686 YouTube vids: http://www.youtube.com/alaskayorkie Picture site: http://web.mac.com/mlewishome

07-09-2005, 01:42 PM	#14
ssguzzy828 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: south suburbs of illinois Posts: 734	I 110% agree that its the owners not the dogs. As dog owners you have to be ready to socialize and train your dogs. Thats one of the biggest reasons dos become aggressive. If owners keep them tied up in the back yard with out any socialization or training or just basic attention then you have a dog that is not going to trust. I have a shepherd that is the sweetest thing but we also play with him everyday,give him treats and train with him. i used to live next door to a family that kept thier retriever tied to his dog house and not ever did i se them take the dog in or for walks or even play with him. The poor thing died one summer when it was really hot outside. i couldnt believe it when they went ahead and purchased another dog. I dont know its such a sensitive subject i have never been in a situation with an aggressive dog so i dont know what that feels like. i guess its like humans its how we are raised that makes us the people we are.