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Old 04-09-2006, 12:22 PM   #1
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Default Grr...what would you do?

I was taking Kiwi for a nice walk...the entire time she was acting a little weird, she wouldn't walk with me properly. Suddenly, when I wasn't paying attention, she makes a move and starts RUNNING AWAY !! (the leash slipped out of my hand). I was chasing her on the side-walk right next to a busy road. I finally just put my foot on the end of her leash to make her stop, which jolted her back (it probably hurt her, but she does have a harness). I immediately picked her up, said "NO BAD GIRL" in the deepest loudest voice I could, brought her back to the apartment, and locked her in the closet for 10minutes. Is this too harsh??? I wonder if she even knows why she got a timeout because it was 5minutes after she was naughty. I have no idea why she tried to do this, she could've been killed!
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I doubt that she understood the closet thing but maybe it was good for you to have a few minutes to calm down. very scary.

I would start working with her inside the house, where it is safe. get her used to coming to you...even if you have to bribe her with a treat.

And the next time you go for a walk make the loop on the leash fit tightly around your hand so she can't slip away. (I have skinny hands so I tie a knot in it and slip it over my hand)

Glad you are both okay.
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Not having a good grip on her leash was YOUR mistake, not hers. It is very important to teach the come command to be able to control your pup on or off leash. Putting her in the closet 5 minutes after your mistake taught her nothing.
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Old 04-09-2006, 12:42 PM   #4
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Sorry but yes it was too harsh. She was just being a dog and doesn't understand about cars. It is very important that we as caregivers to these little ones pay attention and protect them from themselves...just like a child that doesn't understand running into the street. By also being harsh with your words you are actually teaching her to run away from you for fear of being yelled at. It is helpful when you take these little ones for walks that you have treats and start working with her to come when you call. You do this by calling her and then give her a little treat while she is on her leash. You repeat this many times so the next time you drop her leash and call her name she will run back to you for a treat. Positive training gets positive results.
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Old 04-09-2006, 12:56 PM   #5
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She's never run away like that so it was very unexpected. I actually felt bad after and took her for a long walk. I have been training her with treats, she can do other things besides for come (sit, spin, around). I do try to teach her to come when we're at the park but it's a little harder to teach her when she's always next to me.
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Lots of great advice here!

Just don't be too hard on yourself, what you went through was really scary and you just reacted. It's good that you're thinking about what to do if it happens again, because things do have a way of happening. Even so, Ginger and I have worked on "touch" and "come" and I believe she knows it really well, but don't want to test it out beside a busy street, you must have been really scared!

Also, consider taking a look for a good positive trainer in your area and take some classes. If you stick with it you'll find it very helpful.
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Old 04-09-2006, 01:10 PM   #7
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Smile This is an excellent thread!

And yes you have gotten some great advice from calm and rational people, GOOD JOB everyone! I commend you on asking for advice, and then taking it so well. Some people may have been a little defensive, but you did well and took it as it was meant, in a caring and positive manner.

You must have been scared to death!! I know I would have been! Makes my heart pound just to think about it, and what might have happened.

Keep on keeping on!! If you follow even half the advice here, you will go a long way towards keeping your dog on a "love leash", if not a leather or cloth one!

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the same thing happened to me the other day i was walking austin and the leash slipped out of my hand and he ran right into the street i just scream his name and he went right to the floor good thing hes nervous otherwise he would have been gone

you need to start traing your pup to come and walk next to you like im doing if he didnt know come i wouldnt have him now
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Do you have a crate? If she needs a time out or if you need time out away from her, that is a much better place than a dark closet. My Brandy knows the come command, but sometimes she chooses to ignore it and if I have to physically go and pick her up then she goes straight into the crate. Sometimes Bailey follows her in there because I trained them to go straight into the crate by giving them treats. But anyways, I think a crate would be a good investment.
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I was taking Kiwi for a nice walk...the entire time she was acting a little weird, she wouldn't walk with me properly. Suddenly, when I wasn't paying attention, she makes a move and starts RUNNING AWAY !! (the leash slipped out of my hand). I was chasing her on the side-walk right next to a busy road. I finally just put my foot on the end of her leash to make her stop, which jolted her back (it probably hurt her, but she does have a harness). I immediately picked her up, said "NO BAD GIRL" in the deepest loudest voice I could, brought her back to the apartment, and locked her in the closet for 10minutes. Is this too harsh??? I wonder if she even knows why she got a timeout because it was 5minutes after she was naughty. I have no idea why she tried to do this, she could've been killed!
Dean in all due respect..imagine if you, your child or a human loved one was locked in the closet for 10 minutes how they would feel???scared to death!!

you scared your puppy even more by doing this, this kind of punishment is uncalled for, youre the trainer she is the trainee, you should be angry at yourself not at her. If a puppy doesnt mind you outside, simply pick them up walk them home in your arms. Sometimes puppies take to the lead easy others dont.

I have a show potential boy "Handsome Ransom" he will not do the lead outside or in a conformation class for nothing but inside my home he is a real show off. Try working with her inside on the lead make is a fun game for a week, about 5-10 minutes a day then try the driveway only a few times during the week, then try walks.

Trust me time outs in an xpen is enough punishment for a learning puppy, dont use a crate for punishment either because she will begin to fear her crate!

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I don't think the way you reacted was "too harsh" at all. I know sometimes when our little puppys do things that scare us to death - we react differently than we might in another situation.

Can't we all remember when we scared our parents --they go twice as mad as they would have if we had done many other wrong things.

*** I get in trouble every time, but the only spanking my 10-year-old other dog ever got in her life was when she really scared me with something she did. My reaction with her was so fast and so spontaneous.............. I really spanked her before I even knew I was doing it. What she did ended up scaring both of us that day.

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You need to teach her sit stay then come. She needs to learn to stay when you tell her before she can learn come. What my daughter does and i'm telling you she is the queen of leash training..she can leash train ANY dog. what she does is she starts in the house...she will hook the leash to her pants and the pup goes everywhere she goes..she starts out with just a couple min at a time and slowly builds up the time..then when she feels comfortable that they are doing good on the leash she takes them outside and walks around the yard. If they try to pull or take off..she immediately stops and DOES NOT move until the quit pulling..then she resumes walking and each time the try to pull or take off she does the same thing..she stops and refuses to move til they have calmed back down..That way they know if i want to walk I can't pull..i have to just walk..once they've mastered the yard then it off for a short walk..then once she sees they are doing good with that she walks them further..each day she would walk just a little bit further..but just start out small..get her used to the leash first and go from there. as far as locking in the closet..you need to be careful with stuff like that..you can make your dog fear you..she needs to respect you and know your boss..good luck..
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I think that is a bit too harsh. But I have been in that situation a lot with Jeremiah. I live right beside a busy street connected to a highway. But it was mainly my fault for not keeping a better grip on the leash. Leaving her in the closet was a bit harsh, you should try putting her in a crate. I can understand you were doing with all your power to stop her, she was probably more scared than you.

But thank God, you two are both okay.
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Old 04-09-2006, 08:06 PM   #14
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Thanks for the great responses. I do understand it was my fault. I read somewhere that time-outs are good, but obviously it's the wrong thing to do. I'm sorry I didn't explain it well enough -- I actually locked her in my room mate's room, not the closet, but it's the same principle. She is normally very good on her walks, it was just the 1 occurence; like I said, she was acting weird the entire time. The only other time that she has tried to run away like that is when she is really hyper getting out the door.

She's almost 5months old. I do not have a crate, but I do keep her confinded to section of my room (it's fairly large, so nothing like a crate). This is mainly to keep her potty trained though Would you recommend a crate this late into her life?

Thanks again for the responses!
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5 months isn't late at all! She is still very much a puppy. I think that is a good age for her. Brandy loves her's. I got her used to it by placing it in the kitchen and leaving it open. I have read that dogs are den animals and love to have their own little houses. She goes into it when it's left open to rest or just to lay down. I trained her to go into it by command by saying, "crate," pointing to it, and putting her in it. After she goes in, she gets a treat.
I always recommend crate training a dog. It is good to have them learn to be in one because there will always be cases where they might end up in a crate such as at the vet, boarding, or the place in which she is groomed. Also, it is much easier when it comes to potty training. When we are leaving the house I put the dogs in a crate for their safety and so that they don't get into something and choke. Dogs can get into crazy things like toilet paper and christmas presents, etc.
And then there are time outs. Which sometimes are more for the owners than for the dogs. Just like when you get frustrated with a child, the best thing to do is to put the child in the crib and calm down. The best thing to do if you get frustrated with a puppy is to put him into the crate until you have calmed down.
Good luck with your little one! Remember that she still is very young. Read up a lot on training methods and I'm sure that you'll end up with a very well behaved dog.
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