Who does my yorkie sees as the pack leader or does he see one at all

[Kandyam]

I posted on here a long time ago about my situation with my gf yorkie and how I spanked him and what not. With the help of you all I found out other alternatives on how to discipline him without hitting. We are have progressed even though I think he is afraid of me sometimes because of the past I don't think he will ever forget that which im sorry for. I just have a opinion on something who does he see as the pack leader? I've been reading books about submissive dogs/yorkies I don't feel as I am the pack leader but I do feel that he is more submissive to me than her and he more dominant to her but it can go both ways. here are some examples


1. He cowers to a lot when I stand to walk near him sometimes(I think hes afraid) but he gets really submissive especially if im the only watching him, he will not look me in the eye he will almost always turn his head away. on the other hand he will always give her eye contact, never submissive to her it seems. opinion?


2. When I open the door to the deck he will not go out unless I go first and he will stand at the door to see if its okay to come out. If she was to open the door he will probably go first.


3. He is more obedient to her when it comes to tricks he doesn't do tricks as much as he will for her and I think its because I spanked him in the past. I read that dominant dogs are stubborn.


4. I read that dominant dogs will be persistent on where they sleep or sleep over the humans head that they think are dominant over. He always has to sleep on her side and loves to sleep over her head.


5. Whining: He never whines to me ever when its just me and him, he always whines to her to get his way with her and she gives in. he also will whine to me when shes around usually when I stop playing with him and if he whines I will ignore it.


Any opinions? what you all think? what do you think is going on his head haha

[Jkpal]

I've had 4 yr old Piper for a year now. Initially, it was very difficult for her to look me in the eye; also, when I called her she put her head down, came to me, but stopped about a foot away and just stood there--head down. Little, tiny, honey. Piper now looks me in the eye, but I make sure that frequently when she's about to do so, I'm looking away from her. She still lumbers toward me (like a little steer), but gets pretty lively, pretty quickly once at my feet--I very, very rarely pick her up when I ask her to come. My girl is definitely the ruler of the roost and pushes for what she wants; however, she understands that once-in-awhile I mean what I say ("no bark", for example) and tows-the-line. You can rest assured that with these little ones, their minds are always going--Yorkies are keenly intelligent, able to reason, have long memories and are extremely sensitive. Piper keeps me honest and I love her beyond...

[Maximo]

Considering your history with this dog, I wouldn't get hung up on pack leader and dominant/submissive labels. I believe it will complicate your relationship in negative ways. You risk focusing on inconsequential things.

It's important to me that my dogs are well-behaved, but I view our relationship more as a partnership. Sure, I'm in charge, but I don't get hung up on where they sleep or whether or not they walk in front of me on the leash.

I strongly believe in positive reinforcement training. The only "negatives" that I employ is withdrawing attention (when safe to do so) and I do raise my voice (not screaming or ranting, just forceful) at certain times. I have 2 very strong males and the older one, while a very good boy, has a cast iron will. Each dog is unique and has a slightly different set of requirements, but I promise positive reinforcement is the way to go.

Be a good leader in the sense of setting a good example and setting the dog up for success. A dog without (polite) direction, without trust, without exercise and fun, without rewards of love and praise for good stuff, will be a dog with behavioral issues.

[Kandyam]

I agree.

[Kandyam]

I sometimes get too caught up in reading into articles about how your dog should act but in reality every dog or animal in general each their own personality and traits.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by Kandyam

I sometimes get too caught up in reading into articles about how your dog should act but in reality every dog or animal in general each their own personality and traits.

I fell into that trap the first year I had my first Yorkie, my first puppy. Now I disagree with a lot of trainers, especially those who want little robotic dogs or fully submissive dogs.

I do not try to control my dogs' every movement. Instead, I try to make life fun so that they will want to behave in a pleasing way -- that includes little personality quirks.

My dogs are not perfect and we still work on things that may never be fixed: they have an annoying barking game in the car. But they are good guys 95% of the time, so I'm not going to crush their spirit to try to fix that 5% of naughty.

[ColesMommy01]

Originally Posted by Maximo

I fell into that trap the first year I had my first Yorkie, my first puppy. Now I disagree with a lot of trainers, especially those who want little robotic dogs or fully submissive dogs.

I do not try to control my dogs' every movement. Instead, I try to make life fun so that they will want to behave in a pleasing way -- that includes little personality quirks.

My dogs are not perfect and we still work on things that may never be fixed: they have an annoying barking game in the car. But they are good guys 95% of the time, so I'm not going to crush their spirit to try to fix that 5% of naughty.

If you're the one predominantly feedling, walking, grooming your pup he'll automatically see you as his leader. I'm not too keen on focusing on being a pack leader for my dogs. I want them to be able to trust me and through treating them well, them seeing you as their leader comes naturally. I treat dog training about the same as I do child rearing. Do my son and I butt heads at times? Absolutely. My dogs may not want to do what I ask of them, but hopefully they will trust me enough to do it anyway and realize "that little Caribbean lady" knows a little bit of what she's doing.

[matese]

This is your 3rd thread on "spanking" your gf tiny yorkie. Last thread you wrote you were excessive in the spanking, meaning you beat up a tiny dog, now you write
1. He cowers to a lot when I stand to walk near him sometimes(I think hes afraid) but he gets really submissive especially if im the only watching him, he will not look me in the eye he will almost always turn his head away. on the other hand he will always give her eye contact, never submissive to her it seems. opinion?
you beat the dog, you got what you wanted, he's scared of you, that's why he won't look you in the eye, you won.
He looks his momma in the eye because he's not scared of her, she never beat him up.


2. When I open the door to the deck he will not go out unless I go first and he will stand at the door to see if its okay to come out. If she was to open the door he will probably go first.
He will not go out first because he's afraid of you, scared he may get kicked if he goes out first. He'll got out first if his momma opens the door because she never beat him up. Like I wrote You won, you wanted this wee little dog to fear you, so he does.


3. He is more obedient to her when it comes to tricks he doesn't do tricks as much as he will for her and I think its because I spanked him in the past. I read that dominant dogs are stubborn.
Doing tricks are fun, he has FUN with his momma, with you he gets beat up.
5. Whining: He never whines to me ever when its just me and him, he always whines to her to get his way with her and she gives in. he also will whine to me when shes around usually when I stop playing with him and if he whines I will ignore it.
Be happy he even plays with you after what you did (more then just once)


Any opinions? what you all think? what do you think is going on his head haha
What's going on in his head is, when will you beat him up again.
This wee little dog is NOT the dominant one, YOU ARE. You are the dominant, controlling person. You can't dominant, control ppl so you you beat up a little dog to get fear and control from him. Does this make you feel more like a "man"?

[Tay65]

Originally Posted by matese

This is your 3rd thread on "spanking" your gf tiny yorkie. Last thread you wrote you were excessive in the spanking, meaning you beat up a tiny dog, now you write
1. He cowers to a lot when I stand to walk near him sometimes(I think hes afraid) but he gets really submissive especially if im the only watching him, he will not look me in the eye he will almost always turn his head away. on the other hand he will always give her eye contact, never submissive to her it seems. opinion?
you beat the dog, you got what you wanted, he's scared of you, that's why he won't look you in the eye, you won.
He looks his momma in the eye because he's not scared of her, she never beat him up.


2. When I open the door to the deck he will not go out unless I go first and he will stand at the door to see if its okay to come out. If she was to open the door he will probably go first.
He will not go out first because he's afraid of you, scared he may get kicked if he goes out first. He'll got out first if his momma opens the door because she never beat him up. Like I wrote You won, you wanted this wee little dog to fear you, so he does.


3. He is more obedient to her when it comes to tricks he doesn't do tricks as much as he will for her and I think its because I spanked him in the past. I read that dominant dogs are stubborn.
Doing tricks are fun, he has FUN with his momma, with you he gets beat up.
5. Whining: He never whines to me ever when its just me and him, he always whines to her to get his way with her and she gives in. he also will whine to me when shes around usually when I stop playing with him and if he whines I will ignore it.
Be happy he even plays with you after what you did (more then just once)


Any opinions? what you all think? what do you think is going on his head haha
What's going on in his head is, when will you beat him up again.
This wee little dog is NOT the dominant one, YOU ARE. You are the dominant, controlling person. You can't dominant, control ppl so you you beat up a little dog to get fear and control from him. Does this make you feel more like a "man"?

I, 100% agree!!!

[Jkpal]

Right on, Matese! You express the anger and disgust I feel for that guy, as well as the overwhelming sadness for how that helpless little baby is feeling...

[matese]

Originally Posted by Tay65

I, 100% agree!!!

This is this guys 3rd thread, 3rd user name, first thread using another user name was he "spanked" the lil dog, was soooo sorry , wanted to know how to gain the trust back,he was given advise from many members, he stated he was going to take that advise to win the trust of the dog, then he wrote he lost his temper and was excessive with "spanking". 2nd thread was the same thing but used another username "spanking" the wee little yorkie, dog runs under a parked car, he's sorry he hit the dog, how can he win the dogs trust. Now this thread, again using a 3rd user name. He thinks using a diff. name ppl won't know who he is lol. He's either a troll or a small, little no body that makes him feel like a macho man by beating a wee little yorkie, forcing an animal to be submissive to him, controlling and being dominant over a DOG. This guy is nothing but a punk, to scared to take his anger out on a REAL man or how bout beating a 85 lb Pit Bull.

[matese]

2nd user name was "jace20069" posted on 6/14 "regaining yorkies trust"
1st user name he posted a thread back in April, his first thread that he "spanked" his gf dog.

[Deviruchi]

Originally Posted by matese

This is your 3rd thread on "spanking" your gf tiny yorkie. Last thread you wrote you were excessive in the spanking, meaning you beat up a tiny dog, now you write
1. He cowers to a lot when I stand to walk near him sometimes(I think hes afraid) but he gets really submissive especially if im the only watching him, he will not look me in the eye he will almost always turn his head away. on the other hand he will always give her eye contact, never submissive to her it seems. opinion?
you beat the dog, you got what you wanted, he's scared of you, that's why he won't look you in the eye, you won.
He looks his momma in the eye because he's not scared of her, she never beat him up.


2. When I open the door to the deck he will not go out unless I go first and he will stand at the door to see if its okay to come out. If she was to open the door he will probably go first.
He will not go out first because he's afraid of you, scared he may get kicked if he goes out first. He'll got out first if his momma opens the door because she never beat him up. Like I wrote You won, you wanted this wee little dog to fear you, so he does.


3. He is more obedient to her when it comes to tricks he doesn't do tricks as much as he will for her and I think its because I spanked him in the past. I read that dominant dogs are stubborn.
Doing tricks are fun, he has FUN with his momma, with you he gets beat up.
5. Whining: He never whines to me ever when its just me and him, he always whines to her to get his way with her and she gives in. he also will whine to me when shes around usually when I stop playing with him and if he whines I will ignore it.
Be happy he even plays with you after what you did (more then just once)


Any opinions? what you all think? what do you think is going on his head haha
What's going on in his head is, when will you beat him up again.
This wee little dog is NOT the dominant one, YOU ARE. You are the dominant, controlling person. You can't dominant, control ppl so you you beat up a little dog to get fear and control from him. Does this make you feel more like a "man"?

I agree with her as well.. I haven't read your last post about you spanking your puppy.. But you shouldn't have used negative reinforcement on him at all.. Maybe it'd help if you see a CGC trainer or something. My puppy is in middle of CGC and I see all these puppies getting rid of their fears and it also teaches the owners how to properly handle the dog.

I don't think the puppy sees you as a *pack leader*, but just someone that he's afraid of. If you want to fix this problem, please do see an animal behaviorist or a dog trainer. But as I said, CGC should help..

[Kandyam]

I don't know who Tay65 or jace2009 first of all so how are you going to tell me who I am? I know it's going to take a lot of time to gain his trust again I have not hit him since I wanted some opinions on not for you to sit up and tell me who you ****.

[Kandyam]

Tay65 matese Jkpal I see why people don't post on here anymore people are so quick to judge because you haven nothing else to do with your lives you all trying to bash me about something I did months ago. If you read carefully I clearly stated that we are still working on regaining trust. I have not hit him since I posted on here since then and the dog loves seeing me. The fact that you said he might get "kicked" how would he get kicked if I have never ever kicked him before stupid! And my gf has spanked before as well so you really know nothing you all are taking your anger out on a post months ago. you all need to get a life thank you have great day!