Starting with a healthy good quality foundation for breeding!

[Suncera]

Thanks, they keep me busy!!

[Shelby Jewell]

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[Lorraine]

I don't quite think people understand the other thing I am trying to say. Showing does not automatically make anyone reputable. There are breeders out there showing their dogs themselves or have handlers do it that are not reputable. It takes showing AND what you actually do with your dogs, ie who do you sell to, how do you do your breeding, who do you deal with and what do they do, what is your purpose to breed a litter. That is just off the top of my head.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

I don't quite think people understand the other thing I am trying to say. Showing does not automatically make anyone reputable. There are breeders out there showing their dogs themselves or have handlers do it that are not reputable. It takes showing AND what you actually do with your dogs, ie who do you sell to, how do you do your breeding, who do you deal with and what do they do, what is your purpose to breed a litter. That is just off the top of my head.

Well said manu mill the mark. The only pup mill case to result in jail time in Texas involved the incaseration of a thought to be reputable AKC breeder who showed several breeds for over 20a years she and her husband abused neglected operated pip milla and inhumanely killed hundreds of dogs and pups ahow and breeding quality dogs the coowners of many if the dogs were able to claim them 400to were taken in an ASPCA bust and the end of it over 600the dogs were given to coowners or reacue oe the ASPCA in 3the states. Perhaps ppl know who I'm talking about she mainly bred and handled poodles a cockers. People were shocked a breeder handler with years of a great show record championing many dogs could be so cruel to them behind the scenes

[JimH]

IMO,,,,no one should be attempting to breed if they DO NOT UNDERSTAND the recessive gene and why it happens. I bred 4 generations of black labs for AKC field trials....had some outstanding puppies that went on and made national derby list numerous times... and I am amazed at backyard breeders that breed yellows to yellows and chocolates to chocolates or yellows.....a real no no if you know what you are doing. yellow and chocolate is recessive and both parents can be black and if both possess the recessive yellow or chocolate gene they can produce yellow or choc puppies along with blacks. Now that is where you want your yellows to come from....preferably both parents being black with the recessive gene....no different than what is happening with the "blue born" Yorkies.,....top breeders in lab breed never breed yellow to yellow or choc to choc as it degrades the breed.....the same will happen with people trying to breed the "blue borns"......just neuter both parents as it is a losing proposition to keep this going. Have raised and shown Dobermans and I see sick breeders trying to perpetuate the Blues in the Doberman breed and they have a ton of health problems, bad coats etc.....I get riled on this subject....it is not that hard to understand if you do the research.

[Suncera]

This is the reason why I am glad I joined yorkietalk and not afraid to ask questions, because you learn so much and can further research incidents and issues and get a better understanding so that one can not further contribute to the problems and issues that are continiously going on today in any breed of dog or animal.

[Teegy]

Originally Posted by Suncera

This is the reason why I am glad I joined yorkietalk and not afraid to ask questions, because you learn so much and can further research incidents and issues and get a better understanding so that one can not further contribute to the problems and issues that are continiously going on today in any breed of dog or animal.

you have a long way to go before you start doing anything along the lines of breeding and showing just based on what I've read.
I recommend you get on the breeder section of the site or PM some of the top breeders registered on here.
go to AKC site and see if there is a list of AKC registered breeders in your area that you can contact and that would be willing to mentor you

[Suncera]

Yes i know now that i am not knowledgable enough. My husband and I are very disturbed now, noticing that some detailed information is revealed. Not sure if that is legal, and concerned if it is safe to still be a member here.

[Teegy]

don't think you have anything to worry about this is a pretty tightly run ship, where would you feel you have cause for concern

[Lorraine]

This is one of the reasons why I have stayed on YT. I wanted to be able to try to give as much information about the Yorkie breed, legitimate registries, and how reputable breeders work what they do and don't do and why. There are other show breeders on this board that are here for the same reason. I am glad they are.
I hope the OP is indeed serious about being a reputable show breeder. BUT that will be up to her.
Reputable show breeders are very very hard to fool if the intent of anyone approaching them for open/show dogs has not really changed for the reason for breeding as we have seen so many try to appear interested in doing things different. Too many reputable breeders have been burned over the years so are triple cautious.
Actually, most reputable show breeders with winning dogs, good lines etc, have so many other long time reputable show breeders looking for a show dog from them, they really don't want to risk a problem. I know of show breeders that have neutered/spayed a nice show potential rather than taking the risk of someone unknown or already been breeding/selling whatever for a while, who says they want to show.
Remember even the reputable show breeder has to be able to sleep nights.

[Suncera]

My focus is on Blue Ivy now. I wish having a blue born yorkie pup on know one. I really feel that i have given birth to a child with a disability for life. want to make her as comfortable as possible. Oh by the way, noticing her fur, it is more dule than on the top of her head. my husband gives his dog a vitamin called duvet. i read it is good for any dog or cat. Should i put blue ivy, on a vitamin once she gets older. wanting to put the others as well, but I'm further researching first. any suggestions would be helpful.

[lynzy420]

Originally Posted by Lorraine

This is one of the reasons why I have stayed on YT. I wanted to be able to try to give as much information about the Yorkie breed, legitimate registries, and how reputable breeders work what they do and don't do and why. There are other show breeders on this board that are here for the same reason. I am glad they are.
I hope the OP is indeed serious about being a reputable show breeder. BUT that will be up to her.
Reputable show breeders are very very hard to fool if the intent of anyone approaching them for open/show dogs has not really changed for the reason for breeding as we have seen so many try to appear interested in doing things different. Too many reputable breeders have been burned over the years so are triple cautious.
Actually, most reputable show breeders with winning dogs, good lines etc, have so many other long time reputable show breeders looking for a show dog from them, they really don't want to risk a problem. I know of show breeders that have neutered/spayed a nice show potential rather than taking the risk of someone unknown or already been breeding/selling whatever for a while, who says they want to show.
Remember even the reputable show breeder has to be able to sleep nights.

Lorraine, you and the other reputable/ethical breeders on YT and elsewhere are so dedicated and I am just in awe of you all! I can't imagine how time consuming, expensive and how much you all have had to sacrifice to keep these beautiful pups with wonderful lines etc. (sorry I don't know the correct verbage). It amazes me everytime I read what you and the others write and how very obvious it is that it is a true heartfelt passion. Thank You for what you do!

[Suncera]

sorry nuvet.

[navillusc]

Originally Posted by JimH

IMO,,,,no one should be attempting to breed if they DO NOT UNDERSTAND the recessive gene and why it happens... and I am amazed at backyard breeders that breed yellows to yellows and chocolates to chocolates or yellows.....a real no no if you know what you are doing...no different than what is happening with the "blue born" Yorkies...top breeders in lab breed never breed yellow to yellow or choc to choc as it degrades the breed.....the same will happen with people trying to breed the "blue borns"...and I see sick breeders trying to perpetuate the Blues in the Doberman breed and they have a ton of health problems, bad coats etc...it is not that hard to understand if you do the research.

It certainly is not at all difficult to understand, and it's fun for those of us that love genetics, but anyone who DOES NOT, WILL NOT, or CANNOT understand and continues to breed, IS, at a minimum, either ignorantly (if they never knew) or stupidly (if they knew and ignored and/or did not pursue their education) "asking for trouble"...and they may "get lucky" for a time but they WILL eventually find that TROUBLE (double recessives, such as blue born Yorkies) will happen because the genetic programming exists.

A certain Westminister Winner (collie) and his non-show-able deaf and blind double merle (a doubled recessive gene) daddy comes to mind...and the breeders supposedly KNEW what they were doing and purposely bred for the double merle:

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Originally Posted by Suncera

This is the reason why I am glad I joined yorkietalk and not afraid to ask questions, because you learn so much and can further research incidents and issues and get a better understanding so that one can not further contribute to the problems and issues that are continiously going on today in any breed of dog or animal.

It is truly great that you joined YT, but this is a "forum" where members share information and experiences, help each other, and learn from each other, as I understand YT and forums in general. Yes, there is a lot that you can learn in a forum...YT included, of course, since there are some highly knowledgeable members, breeders, etc., here...and I do not even include myself in that statement. But, and with no offense intended , YT should NOT be your educational basis for your breeding program.

I created three (3) simple Punnett Squares to demonstrate the genetic permutations that are possible with recessive carriers and double recessives using "G" to represent "Any Dominant Gene" and "g" to represent "Any Recessive Gene" in my charts...to show how your dilute carrier, Sasha, and the dilute carrier sire of her last litter, created the double recessive dilute "blue born" puppy, "Blue Ivy" from a visual standpoint...but if you really want to understand, you should not only get breeder/vet/etc. mentors willing to apprentice you and read/research in books, etc...you should also take some educational courses in genetics, animal husbandry, etc., as well, since you started your breeding program WITHOUT knowledge of genetic possibilities.

I say this only as a suggestion and only because...now that you have been breeding without proper knowledge, you may now need to 'unlearn' possible bad practices that no mentor will KNOW you possess that could harm your future "professional breeder" reputation, your lines, your breeding stock, and your pups...so they may not cover that information with you and you may/will not know about it to ask. A mentor who 'knows' you have already been breeding may 'assume' you have the basic knowledge required and skip over it. Educational courses automatically 'assume' you know nothing at the start of the course and teach you anyway, even if you already do have all/most/some of the knowledge. "We do not know what we do not know."

Again, I would like to re-iterate...I am NOT a breeder, not a vet, not a geneticist, not anything anywhere near like that. I have had pregnant females (canine and feline) welp under my care, but at no time have I set out to breed animals professionally. I am also not a medical professional and am not offering professional advice of any sort...only personal opinion and suggestions. My only involvement in your situation is due to my personal genetics interest, apptitude, research, and past experiences...not ambition or profession.

I hope you will not find my comments insulting or offending in any way. I do wish you the best of luck in your endeavor as you separate your past breeding habits while acquiring advanced breeding knowledge, and the best of luck in caring for Blue Ivy.

[navillusc]

Originally Posted by Suncera

My focus is on Blue Ivy now. I wish having a blue born yorkie pup on know one. I really feel that i have given birth to a child with a disability for life. want to make her as comfortable as possible. Oh by the way, noticing her fur, it is more dule than on the top of her head. my husband gives his dog a vitamin called duvet. i read it is good for any dog or cat. Should i put blue ivy, on a vitamin once she gets older. wanting to put the others as well, but I'm further researching first. any suggestions would be helpful.

Others can certainly correct me if I am wrong, but I cannot see how a "vitamin" would correct genetic damage.

If I was to give advice along these lines I would say focus on doing no additional harm to Blue Ivy. Keep her food sources clean...no chemicals, etc., organic and/or from natural sources. Provide her with an appropriate nutritional structure for her species, and with an adapted diet plan as required to give her the best options at health. I would not depend on a pill to nourish her...I would want all vitamin, mineral, and nutritional supplementation to come to her through the healthiest diet possible because to create supplements, often only PART of an essential-to-health component is included in the supplement. Sometimes, the SOURCE from which the supplement component is made/synthesized is incorrect. Sometimes the form/compound is not absorbable/usable. Manufacturing processes can be contaminated...lots of things can go wrong with stuff in a pill or liquid supplement.

In a healthy pup, their bodies may simply eliminate the unusable parts. The question is more likely, will Blue Ivy be able to?

Good luck!