Does this look like a puppy mill?

[BoBoDiddle]

Saw these sellers yesterday and snagged a business card. http://www.simplesite.com/theroberts

[Lorraine]

Where did you see them?
I looked at the site, USDA is not a good sign, I am not impressed with their breeding stock and 3 - 4 breeds is a little too many.
I googled the phone number and found this ad
Fluffy AKC Pekingese Puppies for Sale | Umpire | eBay Classifieds (Kijiji) | 9472509

[BoBoDiddle]

They were selling yesterday (Saturday) morning on a busy corner in our small town. They've been there several Saturdays this year.

Originally Posted by Lorraine

Where did you see them?
I looked at the site, USDA is not a good sign, I am not impressed with their breeding stock and 3 - 4 breeds is a little too many.
I googled the phone number and found this ad
Fluffy AKC Pekingese Puppies for Sale | Umpire | eBay Classifieds (Kijiji) | 9472509

[Lorraine]

Definitely a huge red flag!

[Jennxling]

Seems like a puppy mill to me....why is their kennel out near the forest? If they are real dog loving breeders, shouldn't their dog be loved and cared for at home? I like how it's called the Shady Hill Kennel...pretty shady to me...they also are expecting more puppies in March (this month)...when they already have tons... UGH I HATE PUPPY MILLS!

[bigjuice01]

what are rescue dogs if not dogs once sold at puppy mills?

[DvlshAngel985]

Originally Posted by bigjuice01

what are rescue dogs if not dogs once sold at puppy mills?

They are also dogs that come from BYB, strays, and dogs from abusive homes.

After reading a book on the yorkie (The New Complete Yorkshire Terrier, which I haven't finished yet) it takes a lot to understand the standard, and what dogs should be bred, as well as how much work actually goes into breeding good sound dogs. Honestly, after the first two chapters, my head was spinning! I had to go back and read it 3 times (slowly while taking notes) to make sense of the history. If anything I have more appreciation to all the studying that goes on for a good breeder to have a quality breeding line.

To the point: If my head was spinning reading 1 book, on 1 breed, I can't imagine how someone can go through that with 2 additional breeds. My conclusion is anyone breeding more that one breed at a time is cutting corners. It seems almost impossible to me to do all 3 breeds justice at the same time. This is not the kind of breeder I would personally support.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Oh, I agree! Just the knowledge of the genetics aspect of breeding that reputable breeders have to know and understand seems profound, let alone all the other zillions of things about when to breed, care during pregnancy, whelping and puppy care along with all of the know-how of how to quickly react when dangerous situations arise. It seems that it would be terribly hard to have all of that required scholarship in several breeds! Sounds like puppy mill flags should fly.

[concretegurl]

Unlike many people here I don't hold multi breed kennels as one in the same, I don't have issues with many things others do and I believe in a one in the same judgment I believe in researching and evaluating each kennel and breeder individually.

They fail to list any health, genetic testing they do, any AKC inspections, USDA stinks but larger kennels have to be part of them...and so do all known pup mills...so watch the USDA ones like a hawk watches prey. There's no evidence they show dogs so I'm guessing these people are simply in the business of selling puppies...that's no good.

I'm also not seeing the actual facility...do they allow people to come in and see everything at any time, cages or kennels, how many people are working with these dog daily, what is the treatment of them, are they allowed out for exercise-how long, where? I'm sorry I couldn't say because what's important to know isn't being shown...that's a red flag and major issue for me.I'd just rather not if I were you, one red flag is enough and I see several here.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by bigjuice01

what are rescue dogs if not dogs once sold at puppy mills?

Friend of mine has a ex-show dog from a rescue...it was altered petted out in retirement to a responsible owner and then the owner died or became to elderly to care for it and it was taken by their family to a pure breed rescue...sad but it happens

My first rescue was simply a spree purchase by a person who later realized a dog was too much effort, the puppy cuteness wore off and the behavioral issues were no longer "cute" of course training was out of the question that would have taken effort...turned out to be a great dog that took very little effort to train in the end.

I do have a pup mill rescue but not all rescues are.

[manolos mom]

Originally Posted by BoBoDiddle

Saw these sellers yesterday and snagged a business card. http://www.simplesite.com/theroberts

A BIG RED FLAG!!! Multiple breeds, Ships, does not have a complete health guarantee, selling dogs on the side of a road, sells dogs on Ebay! Run dont walk from this breeder.

[laci32]

OMG On a corner selling puppies ? One thing that always gets my attention if they go to all that trouble to make their website look pretty and they are proud of the parents and how they are born and raised. They give you a little tour online. See where the puppies are housed inside raised with family etc: although can lie. But this corner thing HUGE red flag there

[concretegurl]

hmm Shady Hills...I think shady is an important word to remember here...

"We often bring several dogs into the yard to play while we do yard work and chores outside. The puppies also get to enjoy the outdoors when the weather is nice and the neighborhood children love to come play with the dogs and puppies"

That's their own statemented completely unaltered...sorry but that sounds a pathetic minim of attention to me in socialization an outdoor exposure. Not to mention the age of pups adopted out...really on street corners1? I can't wrap my brain around it.
notice their statement about being associated or given a name about kennels being pup mills...
Puppy Mill Fighters - Be a part of the solution instead of the problem!

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by BoBoDiddle

They were selling yesterday (Saturday) morning on a busy corner in our small town. They've been there several Saturdays this year.

No reputable breeder would sell their puppies on a street corner.
Big Red Flag!

[Beamers Mom]

Originally Posted by bigjuice01

what are rescue dogs if not dogs once sold at puppy mills?

I have had rescue dogs from puppy mills. They have all been seized from the puppy mills by the authorities and turned over to rescue groups.
The puppy mills did not get any money for them - they were the ones who had to pay heavy fines or even jail time.

But some rescue dogs are dogs that the owners have turned over to rescue because for one reason or another they were no longer able to care for them.
Some rescue dogs are also what rescue groups have saved from deaths door at the animal shelters.