Couple Questions about shots and shampoo

[RachelandSadie]

Hey everyone,

I've got a few concerns and questions today. Please help me figure this out a little better. Thanks

1. vaccinations-i've read the vacine sticky, but the links for those all seem to have California as the main base for the liklihood of the diseases.

I live in Missouri, we are super prone to ticks and lyme disease, so would you recommend the lyme disease shots for someone in our area?


*Corona
*Leptospirosis
*Lyme
*Bordatella
*Giardia
*Parainfluenza

(are these good or bad to get, the sticky says non necessary, but for making my pup avoid sickness should i get them or not?)

2. shampoos for puppies, would it be okay to go ahead and use oatmeal shampoo on her instead of the tear less puppy shampoo as long as i'm extra careful around her face with the sprayer??


Thanks for the help guys,

[BonBon]

I think you would be fine using the oatmeal shampoo on her body, but you will need something to wash around her head and face with (puppies like to get into lots of fun things ). A lot of people just use something like Johnson & Johnson baby shampoo for this - don't use it on her whole body though because the ph isn't right for dogs. Or, it might be easier to just get the tearless puppy shampoo and only have one thing to apply during her baths.

[chachi]

It depends on what diseases are prevalent in your area. If lyme was a problem in my area I would get it. Most people on here say not to get the lepto but my vet insists because there are cases of it here and the disease is vey severe if they get it. I get the bordatello because its required if you have them groomed plus I dont want them to get kennel cough from neighborhood dogs that run by our fence. Your vet is the best one to advise you on what shots you need. I think using the oatmeal shampoo would be fine as long as your careful around the face

[Ladymom]

Dr. Jean Dodd's vaccine protocol has been adopted by the majority of vet schools and is a good one to follow:

W Jean Dodds Vaccine Protocol VACCINATION PROTOCOLS

Yorkies can have fatal reactions to the lepto vaccine. Most of us do not get the lepto vaccination. In fact, many breeders put a clause in their contract that lepto is not to be given.

More and more studies show that over vaccinating our pets does more harm that good, so "less is more" when it comes to vaccines.

Missouri seems to be an "odd" state for rabies requirements. Rather than being state law as it is in most states, it is determined by local animal control ordinances. You will have to check with your vet to see when Sadie will need her first rabies shot.

I know you've been told this before, but just to remind you again, Sadie will not be protected from deadly puppy diseases like parvo until she has had all her shots plus two weeks for full immunity. As the last set of shots should be given between 16-18 weeks, 20 weeks is a good estimate. Until then, no grooming salons, dog parks, don't walk her in common areas in neighborhoods or apartment complexes, don't let her down on the floor of your vet's office, etc.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Dr. Jean Dodd's vaccine protocol has been adopted by the majority of vet schools and is a good one to follow:

W Jean Dodds Vaccine Protocol VACCINATION PROTOCOLS

Yorkies can have fatal reactions to the lepto vaccine. Most of us do not get the lepto vaccination. In fact, many breeders put a clause in their contract that lepto is not to be given.

More and more studies show that over vaccinating our pets does more harm that good, so "less is more" when it comes to vaccines.

Missouri seems to be an "odd" state for rabies requirements. Rather than being state law as it is in most states, it is determined by local animal control ordinances. You will have to check with your vet to see when Sadie will need her first rabies shot.

I know you've been told this before, but just to remind you again, Sadie will not be protected from deadly puppy diseases like parvo until she has had all her shots plus two weeks for full immunity. As the last set of shots should be given between 16-18 weeks, 20 weeks is a good estimate. Until then, no grooming salons, dog parks, don't walk her in common areas in neighborhoods or apartment complexes, don't let her down on the floor of your vet's office, etc.

no problem thanks!! i think our city law states that a dog must have a rabies vacination and be registered by 4 months of age? is that normal age for a puppy to get that shot?

i'll link the website to our city stuff. Liberty, MO animal laws

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Ladymom

Dr. Jean Dodd's vaccine protocol has been adopted by the majority of vet schools and is a good one to follow:

W Jean Dodds Vaccine Protocol VACCINATION PROTOCOLS

Yorkies can have fatal reactions to the lepto vaccine. Most of us do not get the lepto vaccination. In fact, many breeders put a clause in their contract that lepto is not to be given.

More and more studies show that over vaccinating our pets does more harm that good, so "less is more" when it comes to vaccines.

Missouri seems to be an "odd" state for rabies requirements. Rather than being state law as it is in most states, it is determined by local animal control ordinances. You will have to check with your vet to see when Sadie will need her first rabies shot.

I know you've been told this before, but just to remind you again, Sadie will not be protected from deadly puppy diseases like parvo until she has had all her shots plus two weeks for full immunity. As the last set of shots should be given between 16-18 weeks, 20 weeks is a good estimate. Until then, no grooming salons, dog parks, don't walk her in common areas in neighborhoods or apartment complexes, don't let her down on the floor of your vet's office, etc.

i have no idea what lepto is, what it's for, or what disease it's supposed to fix, i've seen that some breeders have clauses about not getting that one, do you have anymore info on that vaccine and what is does/is for?

[RachelandSadie]

lepto link FOR using the vaccine


I need someone to post something with the reason NOT to use it.

[Gingergirlsmom]

I believe that toy breeds are more susceptible to allergic reactions to any vaccines with the Lepto vaccine being the biggest culprit.

Here's one link with a little info, if I find anything better, I'll post it.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

no problem thanks!! i think our city law states that a dog must have a rabies vacination and be registered by 4 months of age? is that normal age for a puppy to get that shot?

i'll link the website to our city stuff. Liberty, MO animal laws

Mine got their rabies at 4 mos and I think that is pretty common. By the way mine are going on 5 and have never had a reaction to a lepto shot. I know there are others on here that get it also

[Ellie May]

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie

lepto link FOR using the vaccine


I need someone to post something with the reason NOT to use it.

Some reasons not to give it:
Breeders have siad that they have seen it kill Yorkie pups.
It can be immunosuppressive, especially if given too early.
Most cases of lepto can be treated if caught in time.
It can be passed to humans (one major reason why vets say to give it), however, humans can also get it from other sources, so vaccinating the dog doesn't mean you can't get it.
The reaction rate tends to be quite high, especially in small breeds.
It has to be given every nine to twelve months (way too often) to be effective.
It does not cover against all strains and you may even need to give two vaccines with different strains to cover all of the most active ones.

That said, I am in no way saying that somebody should not give it.
This is a very difficult decision that requires a lot of research and a good relationship with your vet. I would say that it should not be given to a Yorkie less than maybe 16 weeks or so. I also would never again give it in a combo shot. I would use the single.

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To the original poster, the vaccines you listed aren't necessarily not necessary. They are just non core. That means not all dogs need them and the benefits have to be weighed against the risks. Also remember that infection and disease are different. Dogs can be infected with lyme's disease and even have a positive test but that doesn't mean they actually have the disease. In some states infection may be common while disease may not be. if that makes sense. I'd have to have a very good case presented to give my dog this vaccine.

[Gingergirlsmom]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Some reasons not to give it:
Breeders have siad that they have seen it kill Yorkie pups.
It can be immunosuppressive, especially if given too early.
Most cases of lepto can be treated if caught in time.
It can be passed to humans (one major reason why vets say to give it), however, humans can also get it from other sources, so vaccinating the dog doesn't mean you can't get it.
The reaction rate tends to be quite high, especially in small breeds.
It has to be given every nine to twelve months (way too often) to be effective.
It does not cover against all strains and you may even need to give two vaccines with different strains to cover all of the most active ones.

That said, I am in no way saying that somebody should not give it.
This is a very difficult decision that requires a lot of research and a good relationship with your vet. I would say that it should not be given to a Yorkie less than maybe 16 weeks or so. I also would never again give it in a combo shot. I would use the single.

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To the original poster, the vaccines you listed aren't necessarily not necessary. They are just non core. That means not all dogs need them and the benefits have to be weighed against the risks. Also remember that infection and disease are different. Dogs can be infected with lyme's disease and even have a positive test but that doesn't mean they actually have the disease. In some states infection may be common while disease may not be. if that makes sense. I'd have to have a very good case presented to give my dog this vaccine.

Excellent, balanced and informative post.

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by chachi

Mine got their rabies at 4 mos and I think that is pretty common. By the way mine are going on 5 and have never had a reaction to a lepto shot. I know there are others on here that get it also

thanks, i'll just have to really talk with the vet about it and make sure i understand all the risk and warning signs, i think the thing i looked at last night did list the lepto, but i'd have to check and he might not give it to all dogs, it was a general puppy health plan.

i did talk to a vet last night, he has been out of school since 1997. he worked in S.C. for awhile and then Kearny, MO for awhile as well. he grad. from K state, which is a great university in animal sciences and med. my hubby and I felt very comfortable with him, he was quick to answer questions and he said that at all times i would know what he would like to do with/for our pet BEFORE he ever does anything, which is what i wanted, i want to know everything so I can make the choices not just simply trust a person and find out they did something that A) costs a lot of money and wasn't needed B) did something that will hurt my baby without me knowing what they did.

so yea we're very happy with him, and i'm just trying to learn more and more everyday and be on top of my question and research game!

[RachelandSadie]

Originally Posted by Ellie May

Some reasons not to give it:
Breeders have siad that they have seen it kill Yorkie pups.
It can be immunosuppressive, especially if given too early.
Most cases of lepto can be treated if caught in time.
It can be passed to humans (one major reason why vets say to give it), however, humans can also get it from other sources, so vaccinating the dog doesn't mean you can't get it.
The reaction rate tends to be quite high, especially in small breeds.
It has to be given every nine to twelve months (way too often) to be effective.
It does not cover against all strains and you may even need to give two vaccines with different strains to cover all of the most active ones.

That said, I am in no way saying that somebody should not give it.
This is a very difficult decision that requires a lot of research and a good relationship with your vet. I would say that it should not be given to a Yorkie less than maybe 16 weeks or so. I also would never again give it in a combo shot. I would use the single.

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To the original poster, the vaccines you listed aren't necessarily not necessary. They are just non core. That means not all dogs need them and the benefits have to be weighed against the risks. Also remember that infection and disease are different. Dogs can be infected with lyme's disease and even have a positive test but that doesn't mean they actually have the disease. In some states infection may be common while disease may not be. if that makes sense. I'd have to have a very good case presented to give my dog this vaccine.

excellent info thank you so much! i'll keep doing my homework, and ask more info from the vet about the cases in our area, and whether the good really does outweigh the risk in our case, it's weird having to think about diseases for a dog, before wanting Sadie, i would have never even thought about vets and shots, i guess i just thought you had a pet and that was it, i'm sure my dad took our golden retriever "Ruger" to the vet now and then, but i was too little when she was a puppy to remember what for.

i'm glad to have such wonderful help.

[chachi]

That is good that you have a vet that you can talk to and will listen to your concerns. Theres 2 vets at the center we go to and they are there untill 7 on the weekdays so I like that. Also a good thing to have handy is a number of an emergency vet in case you ever need it

[RachelandSadie]

we have like 3-5 er vet clinics in Liberty, we're VERY fortunate to have such a great area to raise our girl...i will make sure i have those numbers at all times and this vets call number if he's got one.

having a much better day today

Thanks soo soo much for the help we all appreciate you guys so much!!!