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DrLAYLA · 03-10-2011, 11:02 PM

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Hi, I have a cute Yorkie who has 7 months old. I wonder which is the best age to get pregnant? and If she is in appropriate age, how can I fertilize her?

Since I don't know other Yorkie in my place!

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Mom to Hot Rod · 03-10-2011, 11:26 PM

Not sure if you are serious about this but please make certain that this is what you really want to do. Since you have very basic questions, I would not do it and take the time to really research this before attempting it. I am not a breeder, have never done it and would never do it because of some of the stories that I have read about where the mom or pups did not make it.

Breeding is so much more than just a matter of having puppies, so please make certain that you are doing correctly and for best reasons.

Good luck in what you decide to do and hope you can get the answers you are looking for.

concretegurl · 03-10-2011, 11:29 PM

So she has AKC full registration, chic, OFA, CERF and LS, LP testing all checked and her line is free from all these defects already? You've spent time finding a great breeder to work with you and oh since neurological issue don't set in until 2-3 years of age you verified her line if also clear of that?

She's how big, of breeding quality? I thought breeding quality couldn't be determined until after a year old at least...and anyone who makes claims otherwise especially when selling a pup is well being dishonest...

I wouldn't know I'm not a breeder I just know how to uhhhhh read...

Oh most important...you have a great vet who is going to hold your hand through all this and you have 12 forever homes ready for each of the pups you may potentially have with spay neuter contracts in place already for them and health guarantees etc? You are financially prepared to afford her pregnancy care cost, emergency c-section costs, after care, a litter of sick pups...?

You are a breeder right? Or you just have an unaltered dog and think that seems like a good idea to impregnate her for what reason again?

I don't mean to sound rude but I was just wondering if you'd though about all that and had all that set in place already or were you just starting with the how do I get her pregnant and then going to think about all that?

concretegurl · 03-10-2011, 11:38 PM

You know how to screen a potential male partner for her with the same questions, the breeding contract...the procedure for it all?
Oh and how to match her with the right male...two breeding quality dogs are not an automatic match BTW...

Perhaps you need to find a breeder in your area and spend a couple years with them working as an assistant, spend those years researching responsible breeding practices and getting all the testing done to ensure you have a breeding quality dog...I'm not discouraging you but you should set yourself up for success not failure.

Oh and you are willing to potentially risk her life right? She's of breeding quality and you are experienced and she's not strictly the love of your life pet right?

DrLAYLA · 03-10-2011, 11:45 PM

It seems u r discouraging to do that?
I'm just asking, and trying to get from ur experiences.

Judy in Waco · 03-11-2011, 07:26 AM

It's wonderful to ask questions first. Good for you! If it seems like people are trying to discourage you, that's because they are. Breeding is serious business, and can cause you to lose your precious pet. Is it really worth it to you?

Please, please, please read and read some more. Hang out and read the posts in the breeding section and the sick and injured sections for a few months. I really think you will see why you are being discouraged from breeding. Then, go through all of the steps mentioned above before you even think about this some more.

I am glad you found YT before anything happened. Too many others find us too late. If some of the other posters seem too harsh or mean, it's simply because we've seen so much tragedy from situations such as yours.

Tell us more about your girl. What's her name? Introduce yourself in a new thread and start over. Welcome to YT.

YorkieRose · 03-11-2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DrLAYLA

It seems u r discouraging to do that?
I'm just asking, and trying to get from ur experiences.

I could write a book about my experinces and those of others breeders...
My best advise..unless your bitch is a champion herself or the potential to be one..save yourself alot of worry, money, stress and work...spay her.

BonBon · 03-11-2011, 08:39 AM

Please read these articles before you decide on breeding your girl. It's good you're asking questions BEFORE you actually breed her. You want to be sure to read, study and learn as much as you can before you begin breeding to help ensure your girl's health and that of the puppies.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-answered.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...t-breeder.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...neutering.html

Bitsy · 03-11-2011, 08:41 AM

Good response! I have all my pets spayed/neutered. There are soooo many unwanted puppies in shelters that will unfortunately be put down. I would hate to add to that problem. Please consider what you are doing more and fully educate yourself.

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Originally Posted by Judy in Waco

It's wonderful to ask questions first. Good for you! If it seems like people are trying to discourage you, that's because they are. Breeding is serious business, and can cause you to lose your precious pet. Is it really worth it to you?

Please, please, please read and read some more. Hang out and read the posts in the breeding section and the sick and injured sections for a few months. I really think you will see why you are being discouraged from breeding. Then, go through all of the steps mentioned above before you even think about this some more.

I am glad you found YT before anything happened. Too many others find us too late. If some of the other posters seem too harsh or mean, it's simply because we've seen so much tragedy from situations such as yours.

Tell us more about your girl. What's her name? Introduce yourself in a new thread and start over. Welcome to YT.

Furbaby Friend · 03-11-2011, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrLAYLA

It seems u r discouraging to do that?
I'm just asking, and trying to get from ur experiences.

She wasn't discouraging you. She was asking you to critically think about all the things you need to do to ensure that your girl is fit for breeding and what you need to do to ensure her safety. If you think that is discouraging you may want to rethink breeding her.

Breeding is serious business and requires a lot of work. If you find the questions and issues you need to address BEFORE the mating overwhelming, you may not be able to handle all the things you need to do DURING and AFTER the whelp too.

For the record, while she was asking you to think critically. I am asking you to think critically like you need to. If you are not prepared to do that, then yes I am discouraging you.

Lil Sis · 03-11-2011, 09:15 AM

[QUOTE=Furbaby Friend;3458989]She wasn't discouraging you. She was asking you to critically think about all the things you need to do to ensure that your girl is fit for breeding and what you need to do to ensure her safety. If you think that is discouraging you may want to rethink breeding her.

Breeding is serious business and requires a lot of work. If you find the questions and issues you need to address BEFORE the mating overwhelming, you may not be able to handle all the things you need to do DURING and AFTER the whelp too.

For the record, while she was asking you to think critically. I am asking you to think critically like you need to. If you are not prepared to do that, then yes I am discouraging you.[/QUOTE]

I am not a breeder. My yorkie won our hearts a little over a year ago, we (my dh and I) thought about breeding.. we loved her so and it seam like a good idea to have more of her. BUT.... and that is a BIG BIG BUT... I started doing research. Of course you can breed after .... BIG BIG AFTER... you have done all your research and have someone to help you and KNOW the blood lines. What changed my mind?? AM I WILLING TO LOOSE MY LOVE IN THE EFFORT TO BREED HER?????? Do I know all I need to know? So now my little Remy is spade, she is safe and happy and we love her so!! In the future I may breed after I have done what I need to do in the education department area first.

Yes... some of the members seam harsh .. but that is due to heartbreak!!!

Good luck

Rhetts_mama · 03-11-2011, 09:32 AM

At 7 months she's far too young to breed. Most good breeders recommend waiting until she's closer to 2, so you've got plenty of time to research.

Start by finding yourself a good mentor who can help you determine whether or not your girl is even breed worthy. Not all yorkies should be bred simply because they can be. You will need expert help in determining whether or not she's a good example of her breed. Showing, or working with a show breeder as your mentor, will help you find out.

Once you've determined that, then it's time to move on to determining if she's healthy enough to breed. Yorkies have a myriad of health problems inherent to the breed. You will need to know not only her history, but the health histories of the dam, sire, granddam, grandsire and any pups they had. There are many genetic diseases that should exclude future breeding of the lines. Then there is the state of her knees, hips and everything else that plagues yorkies.

Now, do it all again in finding the stud. If you were to have an excellent example of a yorkie you could undo it all in a heart beat if the stud isn't the same.

You also need to determine if you can handle the financial responsibility of breeding. In addition to all the testing mentioned here and in other posts (including tests for STD's) you will also have to be prepared for vet costs associated with a possible c-section or post delivery complications (eclampsia, infections, etc). The list of whelping supplies you will need is long and not exactly cheap.

Puppy care isn't cheap either. There are vaccines you will be responsible for, dewclaws, tail docking (if you choose to go that route).

All in all, you will find a lot of information on line, but nothing will take the place of a strong, experienced mentor who is there with you and a good vet.

Mardelin · 03-11-2011, 09:59 AM

You have initiated two threads addressing the same question. Good advice has been given.

Although I have two questions to ask of of you; 1. Why do you want to breed; 2. Are you prepared to lose your girl and/or the pups?

concretegurl · 03-11-2011, 10:33 AM

Thanks, that's exactly what I meant. I have NO EXPERIENCE in breeding myself, I just have read quite a bit and seen the out come of those who failed to read and took on something without research, testing, means etc.
I've entertained the idea of breeding before, but entertaining the idea, researching now for the future maybe, and the reality of this isn't a good time in my life, I don't have the time, experience, funding to take on such a responsibility. Who knows though when my kids are grown and I'm in my retirement I may have time to show dogs and begin breeding...until then I'll stick to reading and researching.

Personally it really concerns and scares me others just jump into such instead of asking themselves the questions a couple breeders have pointed out to you here and then after that they fail to research, get some hands on experience, or prepare in the ways they should...I can only offer what little I know from reading on what needs to be considered first, things I've heard about or witnessed by others, and then other topics-I'd honestly not hand out advice on specific issues even if I have read about them...you don't really know about something just from reading about it, I think it takes some actual real life experience.

IMO: I, also, agree with the final statement quoted below, also among many other points like if the female isn't up to par, has an issue or a Rhett's mom pointed out the realization your pet is your baby and despite wanting more of them to share with the world, the risk of loosing your beloved pet over the ideal of breeding sounding good, is a serious point to consider, as it very well can become a reality.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend

She wasn't discouraging you. She was asking you to critically think about all the things you need to do to ensure that your girl is fit for breeding and what you need to do to ensure her safety. If you think that is discouraging you may want to rethink breeding her.

Breeding is serious business and requires a lot of work. If you find the questions and issues you need to address BEFORE the mating overwhelming, you may not be able to handle all the things you need to do DURING and AFTER the whelp too.

For the record, while she was asking you to think critically. I am asking you to think critically like you need to. If you are not prepared to do that, then yes I am discouraging you.

redneckwoman · 03-11-2011, 11:40 AM

she is just a baby herself way to young to have babys my yorkie is exspecting puppys in about alittle over 4 weeks an im scared to death an i so wish she wasnt cause she is my world i am doing everything i can to keep her healthy . as soon as she weans them she is going to be spayed cause theres no way we are going through this again

03-10-2011, 11:02 PM	#1
DrLAYLA BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: US Posts: 4	fertilization .. Hi, I have a cute Yorkie who has 7 months old. I wonder which is the best age to get pregnant? and If she is in appropriate age, how can I fertilize her? Since I don't know other Yorkie in my place! ..

03-10-2011, 11:26 PM	#2
Mom to Hot Rod Donating YT 5000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: MD Posts: 10,908	Not sure if you are serious about this but please make certain that this is what you really want to do. Since you have very basic questions, I would not do it and take the time to really research this before attempting it. I am not a breeder, have never done it and would never do it because of some of the stories that I have read about where the mom or pups did not make it. Breeding is so much more than just a matter of having puppies, so please make certain that you are doing correctly and for best reasons. Good luck in what you decide to do and hope you can get the answers you are looking for. __________________ www.kissecollar.com Soft Cone Collars for Post-surgery and much more! 10% (non-food) - Discount code YT10

03-10-2011, 11:29 PM	#3
concretegurl Between♥Suspensions Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vaissades Posts: 7,979	So she has AKC full registration, chic, OFA, CERF and LS, LP testing all checked and her line is free from all these defects already? You've spent time finding a great breeder to work with you and oh since neurological issue don't set in until 2-3 years of age you verified her line if also clear of that? She's how big, of breeding quality? I thought breeding quality couldn't be determined until after a year old at least...and anyone who makes claims otherwise especially when selling a pup is well being dishonest... I wouldn't know I'm not a breeder I just know how to uhhhhh read... Oh most important...you have a great vet who is going to hold your hand through all this and you have 12 forever homes ready for each of the pups you may potentially have with spay neuter contracts in place already for them and health guarantees etc? You are financially prepared to afford her pregnancy care cost, emergency c-section costs, after care, a litter of sick pups...? You are a breeder right? Or you just have an unaltered dog and think that seems like a good idea to impregnate her for what reason again? I don't mean to sound rude but I was just wondering if you'd though about all that and had all that set in place already or were you just starting with the how do I get her pregnant and then going to think about all that? __________________ Shan & 8 kids now! Last edited by concretegurl; 03-10-2011 at 11:33 PM.

03-10-2011, 11:38 PM	#4
concretegurl Between♥Suspensions Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vaissades Posts: 7,979	You know how to screen a potential male partner for her with the same questions, the breeding contract...the procedure for it all? Oh and how to match her with the right male...two breeding quality dogs are not an automatic match BTW... Perhaps you need to find a breeder in your area and spend a couple years with them working as an assistant, spend those years researching responsible breeding practices and getting all the testing done to ensure you have a breeding quality dog...I'm not discouraging you but you should set yourself up for success not failure. Oh and you are willing to potentially risk her life right? She's of breeding quality and you are experienced and she's not strictly the love of your life pet right? __________________ Shan & 8 kids now!

03-11-2011, 07:26 AM	#6
Judy in Waco Gizzy & Kandi spoil me Donating Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Waco, Texas Posts: 8,477	It's wonderful to ask questions first. Good for you! If it seems like people are trying to discourage you, that's because they are. Breeding is serious business, and can cause you to lose your precious pet. Is it really worth it to you? Please, please, please read and read some more. Hang out and read the posts in the breeding section and the sick and injured sections for a few months. I really think you will see why you are being discouraged from breeding. Then, go through all of the steps mentioned above before you even think about this some more. I am glad you found YT before anything happened. Too many others find us too late. If some of the other posters seem too harsh or mean, it's simply because we've seen so much tragedy from situations such as yours. Tell us more about your girl. What's her name? Introduce yourself in a new thread and start over. Welcome to YT. __________________ The fullness of our heart is expressed in our eyes, in our touch, in what we write, in what we say, in the way we walk, the way we receive, the way we need. -Mother Teresa ( RIP Gizmo 3/9/07-8/18/12)

03-10-2011, 11:45 PM	#5
DrLAYLA BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: US Posts: 4	It seems u r discouraging to do that? I'm just asking, and trying to get from ur experiences.

03-11-2011, 08:39 AM	#8
BonBon Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: With my yorkies Posts: 10,350	Please read these articles before you decide on breeding your girl. It's good you're asking questions BEFORE you actually breed her. You want to be sure to read, study and learn as much as you can before you begin breeding to help ensure your girl's health and that of the puppies. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-answered.html http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...t-breeder.html http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...neutering.html __________________ He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion. -- Author Unknown

03-11-2011, 09:15 AM	#11
Lil Sis Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,008	[QUOTE=Furbaby Friend;3458989]She wasn't discouraging you. She was asking you to critically think about all the things you need to do to ensure that your girl is fit for breeding and what you need to do to ensure her safety. If you think that is discouraging you may want to rethink breeding her. Breeding is serious business and requires a lot of work. If you find the questions and issues you need to address BEFORE the mating overwhelming, you may not be able to handle all the things you need to do DURING and AFTER the whelp too. For the record, while she was asking you to think critically. I am asking you to think critically like you need to. If you are not prepared to do that, then yes I am discouraging you.[/QUOTE] I am not a breeder. My yorkie won our hearts a little over a year ago, we (my dh and I) thought about breeding.. we loved her so and it seam like a good idea to have more of her. BUT.... and that is a BIG BIG BUT... I started doing research. Of course you can breed after .... BIG BIG AFTER... you have done all your research and have someone to help you and KNOW the blood lines. What changed my mind?? AM I WILLING TO LOOSE MY LOVE IN THE EFFORT TO BREED HER?????? Do I know all I need to know? So now my little Remy is spade, she is safe and happy and we love her so!! In the future I may breed after I have done what I need to do in the education department area first. Yes... some of the members seam harsh .. but that is due to heartbreak!!! Good luck __________________ Shinja mom to Remy lil Sis to Bailey and Sammy

03-11-2011, 09:32 AM	#12
Rhetts_mama Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,959 Blog Entries: 1	At 7 months she's far too young to breed. Most good breeders recommend waiting until she's closer to 2, so you've got plenty of time to research. Start by finding yourself a good mentor who can help you determine whether or not your girl is even breed worthy. Not all yorkies should be bred simply because they can be. You will need expert help in determining whether or not she's a good example of her breed. Showing, or working with a show breeder as your mentor, will help you find out. Once you've determined that, then it's time to move on to determining if she's healthy enough to breed. Yorkies have a myriad of health problems inherent to the breed. You will need to know not only her history, but the health histories of the dam, sire, granddam, grandsire and any pups they had. There are many genetic diseases that should exclude future breeding of the lines. Then there is the state of her knees, hips and everything else that plagues yorkies. Now, do it all again in finding the stud. If you were to have an excellent example of a yorkie you could undo it all in a heart beat if the stud isn't the same. You also need to determine if you can handle the financial responsibility of breeding. In addition to all the testing mentioned here and in other posts (including tests for STD's) you will also have to be prepared for vet costs associated with a possible c-section or post delivery complications (eclampsia, infections, etc). The list of whelping supplies you will need is long and not exactly cheap. Puppy care isn't cheap either. There are vaccines you will be responsible for, dewclaws, tail docking (if you choose to go that route). All in all, you will find a lot of information on line, but nothing will take the place of a strong, experienced mentor who is there with you and a good vet. __________________ Don't get your knickers in a knot. Nothing is solved and it just makes you walk funny.

03-11-2011, 09:59 AM	#13
Mardelin Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California Posts: 14,776	You have initiated two threads addressing the same question. Good advice has been given. Although I have two questions to ask of of you; 1. Why do you want to breed; 2. Are you prepared to lose your girl and/or the pups? __________________ Mardelin *Yorkshire* *Terriers*

03-11-2011, 11:40 AM	#15
redneckwoman Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 239	fertilzation she is just a baby herself way to young to have babys my yorkie is exspecting puppys in about alittle over 4 weeks an im scared to death an i so wish she wasnt cause she is my world i am doing everything i can to keep her healthy . as soon as she weans them she is going to be spayed cause theres no way we are going through this again