Males...Why oh Why??? Can U Help???

[TeddyandTiffy]

I have 2 Males Teddy- 3 & Sir. Galahad- 20 Months and man Galahad is being bad... He is such a bully toward Teddy I mean tearing him up, now all he does on and off all day is bully Teddy, they can't eat together have to feed them apart, he won't allow Teddy to eat, now they can't sleep together I was just cleaning our potty area and he was all over Teddy and I just put him alone...Teddy won't nail him good like he does Weezie and Sofie when they really make him mad he nips them and they yelp and leave him alone, he won't do that to Galahad to let him know I'm not taking U're stuff. See we've never had this between our males... Well this is the 1st time we've ever had 2 males, and Galahad is Teddys' son from a previous litter. Galahad is marking every where if left with out a belly band even does it in his bed at night for I don't put one on him @ night. Teddy never marked & still don't mark, never hateful...I know Sage will be a year old April 10th and Galahad is her mate, he chases her ALL day long to the point of pantin and driving us all nuts to where I have to stay on him all the time. He's never been with any Yorkies YET and won't until Spring 2009...Should I crate him every time I see him after her? What do I do with him chasing her and being hateful with Teddy??? I've tried water bottle and that don't work. Can anyone help me here? He's driving us all crazy!!! LOL! I know we have to put up with a little with males but I've never went through this before any advice??? What works (If anything) what don't? Teddy only did this to Tiffanie nothing or no one else no chasing nothing only when it was mating time. Never has been hateful with any Yorkies except teaching the puppies. Thanks U all.

[bjh]

I am sorry your babies are not getting along but I have been through the same thing. Many unneutered males have a tendency to want to dominate and fight. It is sad for the one that is being dominated. I have four males and the two that are father and son never, never show any dominance over each other. My other two males are very dominant and I have to keep them separate from the others. I have females too that are the same way. I know other Yorkie owners that go through the same thing. For the safety of Teddy you should find a way to just keep them separated. Yorkies can kill each other, I have heard horror stories about it happening. I know it is heart breaking for you because you want all your babies to be one happy family but sometimes that is just not possible. Your only other choice might be to call a professional dog trainer and ask for advise. From my experience, once the fighting starts it just gets worse. It seems to me that Galahad needs a little cooling off time to him self so the others can get some rest. Do you have a separate room or exercise pen he can stay in? Males can be a real pain. I have a female in heat right now and all the males are going nuts. That is just one of the down sides of breeding dogs. I wish you luck and I wish I had more encouraging information.

[sweetsophia]

I would be extremely careful with them as was said. They can and will kill each other. I have also heard of it happening. As much as we love them they are doing what comes to them naturally. When you have unaltered dogs all in the same household it happens. Best of luck to you. I know it is very frustrating.

[Ladyhawk]

Galahad is working to set up his dominance. In a pack situation there is often only one male who is allowed to breed and that is the dominant male. Galahad wants to make sure that he is that male. He's probably following Sage because she is getting ready to go into heat, keep a close eye on her. Don't squirt him with a water bottle or fuss at him at all for showing her attention. If you do so he may not perform when you want him to. She will let him know when she gets tired of him trailing her and he can't breed her if she's not ready.

[Sidney]

Originally Posted by sweetsophia

I would be extremely careful with them as was said. They can and will kill each other. I have also heard of it happening. As much as we love them they are doing what comes to them naturally. When you have unaltered dogs all in the same household it happens. Best of luck to you. I know it is very frustrating.

I was going to say the same thing.... please be careful. You don't want one of them getting hurt or worse killed.

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by bjh

I am sorry your babies are not getting along but I have been through the same thing. Many unneutered males have a tendency to want to dominate and fight. It is sad for the one that is being dominated. I have four males and the two that are father and son never, never show any dominance over each other. My other two males are very dominant and I have to keep them separate from the others. I have females too that are the same way. I know other Yorkie owners that go through the same thing. For the safety of Teddy you should find a way to just keep them separated. Yorkies can kill each other, I have heard horror stories about it happening. I know it is heart breaking for you because you want all your babies to be one happy family but sometimes that is just not possible. Your only other choice might be to call a professional dog trainer and ask for advise. From my experience, once the fighting starts it just gets worse. It seems to me that Galahad needs a little cooling off time to him self so the others can get some rest. Do you have a separate room or exercise pen he can stay in? Males can be a real pain. I have a female in heat right now and all the males are going nuts. That is just one of the down sides of breeding dogs. I wish you luck and I wish I had more encouraging information.

It is getting scarey now, for I just put Galahad in a large crate alone for getting on Teddy again!! And all the others are out with him being in the crate, our 2 youngest babies as I call them and they was tryin to play with him through the crate and he's growling and showing his teeth at them. Also he's rubbing that crate like crazy and it's messing his coat all up, I guess I'm gonna have to make bumper pads for him lol. I guess this family togetherness isn't going to be what I thought peacefully! LOL! I will keep him up so he don't hurt any of our Yorkies!!! I sure don't want that I've never lost a Yorkies ever due to anything I sure don't want to start now! Thanks so much for U're advise.

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by sweetsophia

I would be extremely careful with them as was said. They can and will kill each other. I have also heard of it happening. As much as we love them they are doing what comes to them naturally. When you have unaltered dogs all in the same household it happens. Best of luck to you. I know it is very frustrating.

I will keep them apart!! I already have him crated I'll take the others in our living room later to allow him out some to play around alone! It is very frustrating I just don't want any of them hurt! Thanks so much for U're advise. Lee

[bjh]

Originally Posted by TeddyandTiffy

I will keep them apart!! I already have him crated I'll take the others in our living room later to allow him out some to play around alone! It is very frustrating I just don't want any of them hurt! Thanks so much for U're advise. Lee

I know it will be hard keeping him apart. Is there any possibility you could rehome him? Maybe you have a family member or friend that would take him. I know it is hard. What is so strange is that he has never been used for breeding yet. If he is that bad now, I really hate to think how he will be after he has been used for breeding.

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

Galahad is working to set up his dominance. In a pack situation there is often only one male who is allowed to breed and that is the dominant male. Galahad wants to make sure that he is that male. He's probably following Sage because she is getting ready to go into heat, keep a close eye on her. Don't squirt him with a water bottle or fuss at him at all for showing her attention. If you do so he may not perform when you want him to. She will let him know when she gets tired of him trailing her and he can't breed her if she's not ready.

Tami I've never seen this before in either of them!! It's so bad that he is now hovering over Sage & bless her little heart she can't be the puppy she needs to be for him! She is just NOW getting so confindent here and not shaking and shivering like she did when Tif was here! Right now Galahad is crated, Sage, Teddy, Sofie and Weezie are all in their bed out in our Yorkie room sleeping so peacefully! Well I have to take that back Weezie just got up and tried to play with Galahad (Barking) and he snapped and growled at her like he's gonna kill her! I won't get on him for it chasing Sage I don't want him not to want her when it does come time to mate...I'll just crate him, would that be okay and take the others in the living room from time to time to allow him to be out and alternate who comes in the living room so they each get turns??? I know she must be getting ready to come into heat but she is not our Tiffanie and she did it at a year old, I wonder at what age Sage will come into heat do they ever come into heat earlier then a year old?? Thanks for all U're advise God Love U!! I'll be sending U another email with a few more questions! What would I do without U??? Hugs, Lee

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by bjh

I know it will be hard keeping him apart. Is there any possibility you could rehome him? Maybe you have a family member or friend that would take him. I know it is hard. What is so strange is that he has never been used for breeding yet. If he is that bad now, I really hate to think how he will be after he has been used for breeding.

No we can't rehome him we have only 1 other male and that is Teddy and he isn't AKC Standards with his cottony coat! And Galahad has our Silk coat and that's what we want. He's never been with another Yorkie or other Dog for that matter and I too am wondering how he's gonna be when he gets to in the Spring of 2009 (That's when we plan to breed him and Sage.) Or how he'll be when our Girls all go into their 1st heats! Sage hasn't went into her 1st heat yet (She'll be 1 in April) and neither of our pups (Weezie and Sofie) hasn't yet they will be 1 in June so I'm on gaurd all the time now he's bad now!! Thanks for U're advise!

[LIL MIS' MAGIC]

I would try and just keep them separated and allow them each to have their time out and playing by themselves with you. We have had to do this with our two males...we love them both so much but they just fight so bad that one of them will get hurt. We let them each out by themselves when we are home...one boy is out in the living room with us while the other one is in his crate in my bedroom. This routine has worked out great with us, as it allows them each to be out and around us but not able to fight with each other. We do try and take them on walks together so they are together in a control enviornment, as they are show dogs and will have to be around each other to some extent.

Having two intact males in the same household is hard but it can be done when the right routine is in place...we have two alpha males and they will probably never be able to fully get along, so we have to improvise if they are going to live with us. But they are defintely worth it!!

[bjh]

I understand why you need to keep him then. I guess you will be in a situation like me where you just have to keep him in a dog room or separate area. When females start coming in heat it can be a real nightmare dealing with all the barking, whining and pacing that goes on. I wish you luck.

[TeddyandTiffy]

Friday Morning I let Galahad out this after he had got done eating, he went to potty, I put his belly band on and I timed that little thing and in 15 minutes time he hiked that leg of his 18 times!!!!!!!! Does any of U're guys males hike their legs that many times in a row??? I don't know about him he's hell bent and determined that Sage is gonna be his!! LOL! I never seen anything like it in my life, Teddy NEVER marks and if he does it's on the litter box!!!!!!!!! Teddy NEVER acted this way with Tif...NEVER. I left Galahad out and stayed in here with them, all girls crated just to see what he would do, he was at Sages' crate hiking, the bed, his crate, the potty area on and on...He tried to pick a fight with Teddy, but ol' Teddy just turned his head!! LOL! Teddy is a very meek and humble Yorkie!! Well I put Galahad up after grooming him and Teddy and let our gals out and man U should of seen him rubbin' that crate and hiking, and squalling like a baby!! I thought this is it he's got to go no one here can take it...I pondered all day long what to do about him, how to keep them apart, where to put them all...I mean this room was for them!!! Little did I think about a fightin' male!!!!!!!

So this is what I did around 9 Friday Night...Weezie I knew we was keepin' from the get go, so I had her in our livin' room in her own playpen with a litter box, food, bed and toys...Well we have 3 metal crates out in the room, just blankies, food, water in them until they get potty trained...(Galahad and Teddy was sleepin' together in the next to the biggest one I have and yep Galahad was markin' the whole time without me knowing it!!) Well once I read that they could kill each other (See how dumb I am & still have so much to learn!!) on here...Then I knew I couldn't let Teddy sleep with Galahad no more so I left him out in the room, (Teddy won't potty in his crate or in a room) I took Galahad inside in the living room in Weezies' playpen (I don't want them crated all day long for some stupid reason I feel better with them in a playpen.) so that way he'd have room to run around in and his own litter box, sit up his food, water and bed. Came out in the room cleaned the larger crate that the boys was in all up put all Sages' goodies in hers took Sages' crate and did the same for Weezie and Sofie had her own already...They only sleep in them @ night and when I have to leave, once they are older and not in the chewin' stage then they all 3 can stay out all the time... So where's Teddy running free, he is a good Yorkie to leave out, he potties where he's suppose to, don't bark, don't chew on nothing, just follows me wherever I go! LOL! I checked on Galahad he's loving it so far, I went to pet him and he rolled over for me to rub his belly, no hiking anywhere except on his litter box SO FAR!!! Not sayin' he won't!!! Sage is loving the larger crate sleepin' like a baby! LOL! Weezie whinnied a little but is now layin' down, this will be hard for her for she is used to having a litter box 24/7 now she don't so I'm sure I'll get up to a mess but she'll catch on I'm sure.
Sat. Morning was good, no whinning dogs but I put Teddy in the living room too 100% away from the girls so he wouldn't be tempted too, he runs free. I put a gate up at the living room and already have on at our Yorkie room, plus it has it's own door on it and we still have our door to our bedroom I can close these if need be! Well I let Galahad out to play some and put his belly band on and let me tell U in a hours time he had that thing with a FULL SIZE PAD in it not a mini pad soaked!!! Yeah what a mess. But the Full size pads I use doesn't allow it to come out in his belly band!! Thank goodness! He was at the gate and pacing wanting Sage again, never started any fights with Teddy tho that was good. Then I put him back in his crate and he started whining and moaning again. Weezie never pottied once in her crate all night long I tought for sure she would since she has had a litter box 24/7 almost since her birth!! All the girls love it out here alone get along so good, the boys are doing good to.
Sunday, well it's just starting all over with Galahad!! See I have him a litter box and a puppy pad under it to hike on and one to the right of it well little did I think since he'd done so good yesterday that he'd be doing it all over the spot where there is no puppy pad, all over it and on the linoleum I have under his playpen (We have laminate flooring in our kitchen and living room) I cleaned it up and thought okay I'll fix U I put another puppy pad in his playpen and pulled it up some on the sides. Well here I went back in to check on him & he had moved it and marked all over the place. I went and just put a belly band on him and I'll remove it every so often to allow him to potty. He's driving me batty. I love the little thing but my goodness he's something else! And he's pacing and panting so badly and hollerin' his head off today! As far as the girls they are all doing fine no potting from Weezie again last night and she's 8 months old, Sage is my game player she was waiting for me to leave the room, she'd poo in the litter box and run and pull it out all over the floor, I had to video tape to make sure who was doing it I didn't want to get on the other puppies if it wasn't them! So it was her, I just came in the room of course her ears was back and she was pacing cause she knew she wasn't suppose to do this, I picked her up and told her I wasn't playing her game put her in her crate and left her there for a while and then I'd let her out, she only did this in the morning for a while, it was a total game to her! She has stopped this game but now she's payin' me back alright she's pottin in her crate at night poo and peeing I thought well I'll put her a real bed in there and maybe she won't do it! Yeah right she did it all over it too lol, so tonight I'm gonna try putting her in a carrier just so she don't have NO room to potty and see if she will stop this, I got her to stop the dragin' and eating the poo so maybe this will work!!
Let me tell U anyone who adopts Tami (Lady Hawks) babies U better be ready for a really SMART yorkie, I've never seen any Yorkies' like Sage it's like her mind is running to figure out a way to play these games with me, I did figure out me getting upset only made her do it more, have to calm and cool with her! LOL! I think that is how I get through to her now, I have to outsmart her lol that is if it can be done!! LOL! She is a doll tho and is adjusting good in every other way. Just rotten as can be!! She so far has also stopped the snatchin' ponytails!! LOL! I just kept putting them back in everyone and she I think gave up! LOL! She's a case!

[Ladyhawk]

Sage sounds alot like her mother Roxie. Roxie is the smartest yorkie ( or maybe even dog for that matter) that I've ever seen. When we first got her at 18 months she had been abused. If you went to touch her she would cower and shake, she was so afraid. So Keegan and I went off to obedience class without her. We'd practice in front of her and it didn't take her long to figure out that I would say commands, Keegan would do certain things and he would get a treat. Roxie learned to sit, lay, stay, drop it, give high 5, dance, and roll over without me ever touching her. She just watched me working with Keegan. It was an amazing thing to behold. I never did get one up on that gal!

[TeddyandTiffy]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

Sage sounds alot like her mother Roxie. Roxie is the smartest yorkie ( or maybe even dog for that matter) that I've ever seen. When we first got her at 18 months she had been abused. If you went to touch her she would cower and shake, she was so afraid. So Keegan and I went off to obedience class without her. We'd practice in front of her and it didn't take her long to figure out that I would say commands, Keegan would do certain things and he would get a treat. Roxie learned to sit, lay, stay, drop it, give high 5, dance, and roll over without me ever touching her. She just watched me working with Keegan. It was an amazing thing to behold. I never did get one up on that gal!

Tami she is the smartest baby I've seen yet! I mean ours are smart don't get me wrong! I have her sitting too and she will sit till she gets her treat! When I 1st started training them all together to sit she'd want to grab the others treats now she doesn't. She is so loving toward Kayleigh our granddaughter, which was just here, Kayleigh went and laid down in their bed and Sage was over there layin' with her so sweet and loving, she does try to lick her face as our others do too but I tell them all no, Kayleigh will tell each of them sit and they do for her it's so sweet to see her with them! She is loving toward the girls too, she truely listens and she is super smart, for she goes to the gate which is hooked to our bedroom and those ears perk up and she is listening to all going on with the girls in the living room and she could jump over that gate at any point and time but God love her she don't "YET". Well see how she does tonight in a small carrier I'm trying to out smart her on the going potty in her crate, her paybacks are heck! LOL! I just hope she isn't to long for the carrier, have to check that out 1st! LOL! If she is then she may have one over on me for now!!! LOL!