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Mardelin · 03-31-2011, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PrinceHenry

Hi there, oh wow, i am in shock... I never read where you told me you wanted her... I have all of our emails n went back to read them and still did not see that. Please for give me... I know it said you were still considering so I am SO SORRY! I did say i would check with my vet which i did but When Kimberly approached me and wanted her also I always thought it was first come first serve! I just want her to have an amazing home. I would have LUVED for you to have her but also after recieving the last email from you which i will also post, i felt like you either didnt believe anything I said or you were just unsure. Again I am so sorry...

I'm sure there was a miscommunication...however, an educated buyer considering obtaining a puppy would want clear decisive answers to questions asked before committing 100%.

Debra is known for her clear precise communications......leaving nothing to chance.....nobody could ever say that she leaves anything open to interpretation, she spells it out clearly.

PrinceHenry · 03-31-2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PrinceHenry

Hi there, oh wow, i am in shock... I never read where you told me you wanted her... I have all of our emails n went back to read them and still did not see that. Please for give me... I know it said you were still considering so I am SO SORRY! I did say i would check with my vet which i did but When Kimberly approached me and wanted her also I always thought it was first come first serve! I just want her to have an amazing home. I would have LUVED for you to have her but also after recieving the last email from you which i will also post, i felt like you either didnt believe anything I said or you were just unsure. Again I am so sorry...

After going back and reading this for a second time, I am in tears. I am being made out to be a monster when all i was doing was trying to find Izzy a loving home. Does it matter what I paid for her? I do not feel like I was asking to much. "I" felt man handled in a sense by the emails that I was receiveing from you. I had NO PROBLEM answering your questions which would have taking me a week at least BUT i would have done so if I didnt have so many people wanting her. Do I turn these other people down if they want her right away?

PrinceHenry · 03-31-2011, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

I'm sure there was a miscommunication...however, an educated buyer considering obtaining a puppy would want clear decisive answers to questions asked before committing 100%.

Debra is known for her clear precise communications......leaving nothing to chance.....nobody could ever say that she leaves anything open to interpretation, she spells it out clearly.

I totally agree w u n I didnt have a problem with the questions... Just wasnt sure how long I was suppose to wait when others were wanting her right then... She never made a definate decision when there were three people wanting her right then... Do i tell them no? Confused...

PrinceHenry · 03-31-2011, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by BonBon

Debra, I'm so sorry you had such a bad experience. I was excited when I saw your post on the other thread where you said you were very interested in this little girl - I was so excited and happy for you.

I just brought home a little girl from another YT member (SRD) and I had the exact opposite experience - this is the experience I would have wished for you as well. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...test-home.html

I don't understand why anyone wouldn't be open and honest and welcome questions if they sincerely want to find the RIGHT home for their little one.

Bonny

I was very open and honest and would gladly answer any questions but before i could do so someone bought her before i could get all the information together. There was never an agreement with this buyer...

PrinceHenry · 03-31-2011, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bellemarie

Debra, that is terrible- i've seen you write a few times about wanting a little playmate for annie... i supose that'll happen when its meant to be.
at least from you posting your experince, if the op ever does get a breeding girl, this thread will be a starting clue on how she'll deal with future potenial owners...
if only you were here- i think one of my girls is goning to be a tiny!

This is just not fair. I have been VERY OPEN n HONEST but someone bought her before i could get everything together. She never said she wanted her for sure but was considering it then the buyer bought her.

PrinceHenry · 03-31-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

So sorry this happened to you.....things happen for a reason.

Too many inconsistencies.....a couple that really scream at me; daughter's dog, but purchased as a breeder?????

Stated that she is AKC register...but, at 15 months hadn't done so.....now that in itself would cost you some $$$$, since it hadn't been done prior to a year of age.

I know how you had your heart on this lil one......But, I'm so glad that your heart didn't overrule your common sense.

I Am so shocked at how people are so eager to rip others apart just by reading a post... I have NOTHING to hide. Izzy is a beautiful 2.2 tiny female yorkie that we purchased for my daughters birthday for 2200.00 (yes i wrote I paid 650 for her because of all the negatives that i read on here about what people pay) AND I planned on breeding her. My daughter is obviously too young n does not show any interest AND Izzy is too little to breed so as a RESPONSIBLE person I paid to have her spade before I sold her so that no one would breed her. She has been SPOILED rotten, up to date on EVERYTHING, tested for everything that MY vet test for and because i sold her to a very sweet lady that wanted to give her a loving home, Then i am a bad person? PLEASE help me understand WHAT is going on here?

PrinceHenry · 03-31-2011, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mardelin

So sorry this happened to you.....things happen for a reason.

Too many inconsistencies.....a couple that really scream at me; daughter's dog, but purchased as a breeder?????

Stated that she is AKC register...but, at 15 months hadn't done so.....now that in itself would cost you some $$$$, since it hadn't been done prior to a year of age.

I know how you had your heart on this lil one......But, I'm so glad that your heart didn't overrule your common sense.

Also YES she is AKC... I have not sent them off and to do so after 1 yr is a difference of 20 dollars... I beleive it is 16 before a yr n 36 after... Come on ladies this is a lil petty... I thought this site was for yorkie lovers not yorkie lovers to bash one another. I think I have done the resposible thing.

bellemarie · 03-31-2011, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by PrinceHenry

This is just not fair. I have been VERY OPEN n HONEST but someone bought her before i could get everything together. She never said she wanted her for sure but was considering it then the buyer bought her.

sorry, but from reading the post made by debra- a well established, truthful and honest member, it did seem as if you were avoiding answering questions... and if you do ever breed- it is certainly not a 1st come 1st serve. i have had people offer me 3 times my asking price for a pup that they are clearly not suitable to have- its always about whats best for the dog in question- which i understand you were trying to do- but they did seem to be questions that the answers should have been known or easily come by... and you shouldn't have sold her to anyone without giving them all the Nessesary info- which you just said you didnt have together (if it was going to take yo a week, it should have been the week Before advertising).

PrinceHenry · 03-31-2011, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bellemarie

sorry, but from reading the post made by debra- a well established, truthful and honest member, it did seem as if you were avoiding answering questions... and if you do ever breed- it is certainly not a 1st come 1st serve. i have had people offer me 3 times my asking price for a pup that they are clearly not suitable to have- its always about whats best for the dog in question- which i understand you were trying to do- but they did seem to be questions that the answers should have been known or easily come by... and you shouldn't have sold her to anyone without giving them all the Nessesary info- which you just said you didnt have together (if it was going to take yo a week, it should have been the week Before advertising).

See there ya go! u have no idea what questions were being asked... It was questions like Did the parents need help mating n stuff that I should not have to know BUT i was going to contact the breeder n ask so until u know what u r talking about PLEASE do not respond negatively because I did exactly what i was suppose to do n had answers to all the medical questions etc. But mating issues between the parents of Izzy, come on.

PrinceHenry · 03-31-2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bellemarie

sorry, but from reading the post made by debra- a well established, truthful and honest member, it did seem as if you were avoiding answering questions... and if you do ever breed- it is certainly not a 1st come 1st serve. i have had people offer me 3 times my asking price for a pup that they are clearly not suitable to have- its always about whats best for the dog in question- which i understand you were trying to do- but they did seem to be questions that the answers should have been known or easily come by... and you shouldn't have sold her to anyone without giving them all the Nessesary info- which you just said you didnt have together (if it was going to take yo a week, it should have been the week Before advertising).

oh n I did answer all the buyers medical questions etc... Izzy is a very HEALTHY baby girl n I felt like more confortable with the buyer who did pay me LESS than what she was going to pay soooo that wasnt the issue...

gemy · 03-31-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by PrinceHenry

oh n I did answer all the buyers medical questions etc... Izzy is a very HEALTHY baby girl n I felt like more confortable with the buyer who did pay me LESS than what she was going to pay soooo that wasnt the issue...

FLDebra had very specific health questions, that we advise future puppy purchasers to ask, both of the parents of said puppy, and the puppy/young adult dog.

You did not answer those questions, which as a "wannabe" breeder you should know the answers to, backwards and forwards. LP, BATS is quite frankly something so commonly known I'm quite surprised you did not immediately have the answer.
You also should have had those answers on the parents of this puppy you needed to rehome.

FlDebra · 03-31-2011, 10:39 AM

Manhandled -- OH NO -- that is not the case and you know it. I was SO NICE about this, even when I was finding discrepancies in what you said to me on the phone and what I found in your older posts right here ON YT. I never said a thing negative to you about that. I even told you that I was not worried about the price you paid or the price you were asking. I just wanted to make sure she was healthy. Everytime you gave me that ......"If you have doubts, I have other buyers..." stuff, I told you very nicely that it was not about having doubts, I just wanted some basic health questions answered. You would not even tell me this baby did not have liver shut or LP problems.

Rebekah -- I told you on the phone right away that I wanted her but wanted to do as I recommended other people did and ASK QUESTIONS. I don't understand how it could have taken you long to answer my questions. A week -- really, why? What was so difficult to answer? You should have known the answers off the top of your head. I just wanted to know what tests she had. I asked if she had a bile acid test? You did not answer. I then figured you would remember if she had it done as it is not a regular blood panel test (as I told you in the email) -- they have to eat what the vet feeds them and then have blood taken again. So I asked if you would be willing to have her bile acid tested. You did not answer. I asked about LP/which is luxating patella and Legg Perthe -- joint problems. You did not answer. If you think these are PETTY questions -- I DO NOT UNDERSTAND.

If you really plan to breed Yorkies, you need to start learning the testing -- I gave you a list of tests and said that was what I USUALLY ask about if getting a puppy but since she is not a breeding prospect & already spayed, I did not ask you all of that. I have the emails -- mine with questions -- yours without answers. I am happy you have a good home for this little one. But did this buyer NOT ask you any questions? If so, doesn't that worry YOU? If someone was wanting to buy one of my pups, I would expect them to be prepared enough to ask basic health questions. If not, then I would be giving some training so they would know and understand.

I was not at all unreasonable. I had to keep repeating my same questions, because you never answered. I still do not know if this baby has luxating patellas, what grade they might be; if she has a liver shunt, or what. Because you never answered. You TOLD me you were checking with your VET so i was WAITING for YOUR REPLY! I took you at your word that you were getting the health info from your vet AS YOU SAID. Why would I have done anything else but wait for YOUR answer when you said you were checking for me. I have the email you sent at 11:31 am Monday. This was just a few hours time TOTAL! I did not delay anything. You told me at 11:31 you were checking with the VET and then you emailed again at 12:49 am Monday that you had taken a deposit. It never occurred to me that you would tell me you were waiting, then tell me you were checking and then revert to "first come first served" as you say. How about "First asked, first answered" -- did that occur to you? You did me wrong, there is no getting around it Rebekah. You know that was not right and I do not understand why you could not just answer my questions to start with.

I'll put the actual email excerpts in the next post.

FlDebra · 03-31-2011, 10:40 AM

Doesn’t this sound like a person that wants to buy your dog as long as there are no health problems? (These are all from my emails and you know I literally gushed over the phone, I was so excited!).

“I would like to have Izzy but I want to know some things about her first.

I am very interested but trying to be sensible too.

It is not that I am having doubts, I am trying to learn a little more about her.

My emotions are HIGH right now and I want her. But I want to do it right and ask questions -- I want to be an informed buyer. I would think you'd expect me to ask a lot of questions and you would know how serious I am because of that.

I can't believe I am doing this -- haven't even gotten dressed yet this morning as all I have thought about is Izzy since I saw your post with her picture. I have a doctor's appointment this afternoon, so I need to get on the ball. I will look forward to hearing from you again. Thanks a million for the pictures -- they are fantastic -- one just as cute as the other! You can manage toget a cute picture from about any yorkie but it is difficult to get so many adorable shots of one pup unless she is a true beauty! I even LOVE her name! It fits her! I found myself practice calling them, "Annie, Izzy, Ben and Candy"

I am in love! Having a time of it trying to be sensible and take my time. If you were local, she'd probably already be in my arms.

And here are all of my unreasonable questions:

Can you send me a copy of your sales contract?

Would you consider having her bile acid tested if she has not been so far?

How is her bite/teeth alignment? Can you give me her dimensions? Hgt/Length/girth?

Can you feel the knees slip in and out of joint when you bend them? Sign of LP.
Were dew claws removed when tail was docked? How are her teeth? Any baby teeth retained? Has she had a dental? Does she have tartar build up? Even though she is not being bought to breed or show, I am still interested in the quality of her breeding and health history. I hope this makes sense and you understand where I am coming from."

I just do not understand at all -- I was not being unreasonable at all. I even got down to the point, I was going to get her as long as I could get 2 answers -- liver shunt and lp/joints? But I never got that much.

I am not trying to get you to change your mind and would have let it go with one post but you made several saying I never said I wanted her and that I made you feel manhandled -- I needed to clear that up. I even told you it was not at all about the money -- it was important that I know things before adding her to my family. That is just plain common sense and CARING about both Izzy and the dogs I already have.

bellemarie · 03-31-2011, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by gemy

FLDebra had very specific health questions, that we advise future puppy purchasers to ask, both of the parents of said puppy, and the puppy/young adult dog.

You did not answer those questions, which as a "wannabe" breeder you should know the answers to, backwards and forwards. LP, BATS is quite frankly something so commonly known I'm quite surprised you did not immediately have the answer.
You also should have had those answers on the parents of this puppy you needed to rehome.

and after buying her as a breeder, you most certainly should have known these, and the parental health and breed-ability (as well as the grandparents)- and i'm not sure what i now what think of Her breeder to allow you to buy her as a breeder withot knowing those Crucial facts- and of course given the fact that she must have just completely stopped growing once you got her (unless she was very (ie. too) young) she would have very unlikely been charting to be a healthy breeding size...
also, where did i mention that your only concern was the money?

PrinceHenry · 03-31-2011, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bellemarie

and after buying her as a breeder, you most certainly should have known these, and the parental health and breed-ability (as well as the grandparents)- and i'm not sure what i now what think of Her breeder to allow you to buy her as a breeder withot knowing those Crucial facts- and of course given the fact that she must have just completely stopped growing once you got her (unless she was very (ie. too) young) she would have very unlikely been charting to be a healthy breeding size...
also, where did i mention that your only concern was the money?

and if you do ever breed- it is certainly not a 1st come 1st serve. i have had people offer me 3 times my asking price for a pup that they are clearly not suitable to have- its always about whats best for the dog in question-

03-31-2011, 10:39 AM	#27
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	Manhandled -- OH NO -- that is not the case and you know it. I was SO NICE about this, even when I was finding discrepancies in what you said to me on the phone and what I found in your older posts right here ON YT. I never said a thing negative to you about that. I even told you that I was not worried about the price you paid or the price you were asking. I just wanted to make sure she was healthy. Everytime you gave me that ......"If you have doubts, I have other buyers..." stuff, I told you very nicely that it was not about having doubts, I just wanted some basic health questions answered. You would not even tell me this baby did not have liver shut or LP problems. Rebekah -- I told you on the phone right away that I wanted her but wanted to do as I recommended other people did and ASK QUESTIONS. I don't understand how it could have taken you long to answer my questions. A week -- really, why? What was so difficult to answer? You should have known the answers off the top of your head. I just wanted to know what tests she had. I asked if she had a bile acid test? You did not answer. I then figured you would remember if she had it done as it is not a regular blood panel test (as I told you in the email) -- they have to eat what the vet feeds them and then have blood taken again. So I asked if you would be willing to have her bile acid tested. You did not answer. I asked about LP/which is luxating patella and Legg Perthe -- joint problems. You did not answer. If you think these are PETTY questions -- I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. If you really plan to breed Yorkies, you need to start learning the testing -- I gave you a list of tests and said that was what I USUALLY ask about if getting a puppy but since she is not a breeding prospect & already spayed, I did not ask you all of that. I have the emails -- mine with questions -- yours without answers. I am happy you have a good home for this little one. But did this buyer NOT ask you any questions? If so, doesn't that worry YOU? If someone was wanting to buy one of my pups, I would expect them to be prepared enough to ask basic health questions. If not, then I would be giving some training so they would know and understand. I was not at all unreasonable. I had to keep repeating my same questions, because you never answered. I still do not know if this baby has luxating patellas, what grade they might be; if she has a liver shunt, or what. Because you never answered. You TOLD me you were checking with your VET so i was WAITING for YOUR REPLY! I took you at your word that you were getting the health info from your vet AS YOU SAID. Why would I have done anything else but wait for YOUR answer when you said you were checking for me. I have the email you sent at 11:31 am Monday. This was just a few hours time TOTAL! I did not delay anything. You told me at 11:31 you were checking with the VET and then you emailed again at 12:49 am Monday that you had taken a deposit. It never occurred to me that you would tell me you were waiting, then tell me you were checking and then revert to "first come first served" as you say. How about "First asked, first answered" -- did that occur to you? You did me wrong, there is no getting around it Rebekah. You know that was not right and I do not understand why you could not just answer my questions to start with. I'll put the actual email excerpts in the next post. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard

03-31-2011, 10:40 AM	#28
FlDebra Donating YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: FL Posts: 7,651	Doesn’t this sound like a person that wants to buy your dog as long as there are no health problems? (These are all from my emails and you know I literally gushed over the phone, I was so excited!). “I would like to have Izzy but I want to know some things about her first. I am very interested but trying to be sensible too. It is not that I am having doubts, I am trying to learn a little more about her. My emotions are HIGH right now and I want her. But I want to do it right and ask questions -- I want to be an informed buyer. I would think you'd expect me to ask a lot of questions and you would know how serious I am because of that. I can't believe I am doing this -- haven't even gotten dressed yet this morning as all I have thought about is Izzy since I saw your post with her picture. I have a doctor's appointment this afternoon, so I need to get on the ball. I will look forward to hearing from you again. Thanks a million for the pictures -- they are fantastic -- one just as cute as the other! You can manage toget a cute picture from about any yorkie but it is difficult to get so many adorable shots of one pup unless she is a true beauty! I even LOVE her name! It fits her! I found myself practice calling them, "Annie, Izzy, Ben and Candy" I am in love! Having a time of it trying to be sensible and take my time. If you were local, she'd probably already be in my arms. And here are all of my unreasonable questions: Can you send me a copy of your sales contract? Would you consider having her bile acid tested if she has not been so far? How is her bite/teeth alignment? Can you give me her dimensions? Hgt/Length/girth? Can you feel the knees slip in and out of joint when you bend them? Sign of LP. Were dew claws removed when tail was docked? How are her teeth? Any baby teeth retained? Has she had a dental? Does she have tartar build up? Even though she is not being bought to breed or show, I am still interested in the quality of her breeding and health history. I hope this makes sense and you understand where I am coming from." I just do not understand at all -- I was not being unreasonable at all. I even got down to the point, I was going to get her as long as I could get 2 answers -- liver shunt and lp/joints? But I never got that much. I am not trying to get you to change your mind and would have let it go with one post but you made several saying I never said I wanted her and that I made you feel manhandled -- I needed to clear that up. I even told you it was not at all about the money -- it was important that I know things before adding her to my family. That is just plain common sense and CARING about both Izzy and the dogs I already have. __________________ FlDebra and her ABCs Annie, Ben, Candy Promoting Healthy Breeding to the AKC Yorkshire Terrier Standard Last edited by FlDebra; 03-31-2011 at 10:45 AM.