Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482814)

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3482782)

FLDebra had very specific health questions, that we advise future puppy purchasers to ask, both of the parents of said puppy, and the puppy/young adult dog.

You did not answer those questions, which as a "wannabe" breeder you should know the answers to, backwards and forwards. LP, BATS is quite frankly something so commonly known I'm quite surprised you did not immediately have the answer.
You also should have had those answers on the parents of this puppy you needed to rehome.

Originally Posted by bellemarie (Post 3482822)

yea, so your point is? that was about suitability- not money... it was a couple looking a registered 'teacup' for their 6yr olds bday! i was the only one with a reg tiny at the time- but relevance! the point of that sttement was the its always about whats best for the dog in question bit.

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3482793)

Doesn’t this sound like a person that wants to buy your dog as long as there are no health problems? (These are all from my emails and you know I literally gushed over the phone, I was so excited!).

“I would like to have Izzy but I want to know some things about her first.

I am very interested but trying to be sensible too.

It is not that I am having doubts, I am trying to learn a little more about her.

My emotions are HIGH right now and I want her. But I want to do it right and ask questions -- I want to be an informed buyer. I would think you'd expect me to ask a lot of questions and you would know how serious I am because of that.

I can't believe I am doing this -- haven't even gotten dressed yet this morning as all I have thought about is Izzy since I saw your post with her picture. I have a doctor's appointment this afternoon, so I need to get on the ball. I will look forward to hearing from you again. Thanks a million for the pictures -- they are fantastic -- one just as cute as the other! You can manage toget a cute picture from about any yorkie but it is difficult to get so many adorable shots of one pup unless she is a true beauty! I even LOVE her name! It fits her! I found myself practice calling them, "Annie, Izzy, Ben and Candy"

I am in love! Having a time of it trying to be sensible and take my time. If you were local, she'd probably already be in my arms. :)


And here are all of my unreasonable questions:

Can you send me a copy of your sales contract?

Would you consider having her bile acid tested if she has not been so far?

How is her bite/teeth alignment? Can you give me her dimensions? Hgt/Length/girth?

Can you feel the knees slip in and out of joint when you bend them? Sign of LP.
Were dew claws removed when tail was docked? How are her teeth? Any baby teeth retained? Has she had a dental? Does she have tartar build up? Even though she is not being bought to breed or show, I am still interested in the quality of her breeding and health history. I hope this makes sense and you understand where I am coming from."

I just do not understand at all -- I was not being unreasonable at all. I even got down to the point, I was going to get her as long as I could get 2 answers -- liver shunt and lp/joints? But I never got that much. :(

I am not trying to get you to change your mind and would have let it go with one post but you made several saying I never said I wanted her and that I made you feel manhandled -- I needed to clear that up. I even told you it was not at all about the money -- it was important that I know things before adding her to my family. That is just plain common sense and CARING about both Izzy and the dogs I already have.

Originally Posted by BonBon (Post 3482379)

Debra, I'm so sorry you had such a bad experience. I was excited when I saw your post on the other thread where you said you were very interested in this little girl - I was so excited and happy for you.

I just brought home a little girl from another YT member (SRD) and I had the exact opposite experience - this is the experience I would have wished for you as well. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...test-home.html

I don't understand why anyone wouldn't be open and honest and welcome questions if they sincerely want to find the RIGHT home for their little one. :confused:

Bonny

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482832)

You r just flat out a MEAN lady...

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3482853)

The question came up as to why I would want to know dimensions of her puppy. Since I could not get any health-related info, I was trying to see if she was in good proportion -- in other words, that she was not extra skinny instead of just a small dog. It was hard to tell with just the first pictures. I was trying to find something that she could easily answer herself since she did not seem to have any records to answer most of my questions. Good proportions would be a sign of good health, although I really wanted to hear about testing. I was grasping for any information that could justify completing the deal.

Originally Posted by bellemarie (Post 3482851)

firstly- you're only picking out the bits of peoples posts you can argue about- not reputing the other facts...
secondly- look who is resorting to name calling.

also, my situation and your situation- not the same. you didn't do the same as me, because you were not vetting puppy homes in the same way (different than placing a spayed older dog as we do not normally have spay/neuter clauses), and had her sold within hours. you didnt answer all the questions to all the potentials, so you cannot be 100% it was the Best home- although i'm sure she will be treated like a princess by anyone.

anyway, good luck with your future breeding and research for it- there is after all tons.

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482666)

Also YES she is AKC... I have not sent them off and to do so after 1 yr is a difference of 20 dollars... I beleive it is 16 before a yr n 36 after... Come on ladies this is a lil petty... I thought this site was for yorkie lovers not yorkie lovers to bash one another. I think I have done the resposible thing.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3482859)

Nope it's 20 prior to a year and 50 after a year.......

All anyone is doing is pointing out inconsistencies....If questions are being asked of a breeder and valid questions a breeder/seller should have no hesitation in answering them.

No one is bashing or ripping you apart..Debra asked questions, she didn't get her answers.....

Originally Posted by RONLYNN (Post 3482865)

I just think this whole thing sounds shady! I'm sure the perfect dog will come along for you soon!! I'm sure you must be so sad right now but it doesn't sounds like it was meant to be. The right dog and right breeder will be coming along Debra!! Keep your head up! :hug:

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482864)

I was off $10, sorry and there are no inconsistancies but petty women w nothing better to do than pick people apart! The ONLY reason they were not answered is because I was answering them for the new owner.

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482858)

Ok, AGAIN, I have noooo problem answering ANY questions and did so with the new owner. I just choose her over Debra so what is the problem again? Not answering questions? I did and she has been placed....

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482864)

I was off $10, sorry and there are no inconsistancies but petty women w nothing better to do than pick people apart! The ONLY reason they were not answered is because I was answering them for the new owner.

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482828)

EXACTLY and thats WHY I went with who I went with so WHY is it wrong that I did what YOU did...

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482832)

You r just flat out a MEAN lady...

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482838)

I am so confused here! I NEVER said that I didnt want to or wasnt going to answer your questions but that before I could do so I CHOOSE someone else that I felt Izzy (isnt that who is most important here) was best suited with. I thought we were suppose to place them with who best fits them so why am I being ATTACKED by all these women who have no idea my situation.

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482868)

I refuse to lay down n take all of this because I choose someone over someone else. NO shadiness here just went with someone else before responding to her...

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3482893)

I gave you ever opportunity to tell me if you would rather sell to someone else. I asked you that direct. From my email: "I would like to have Izzy but I want to know some things about her first. Are you trying to tell me you would rather sell to your groomer or that you just do not want to answer questions? I just don't quite understand."

to which you replied: "Mon, Mar 28, 2011 11:31 am
Oh no I'm not saying that at all. Just that she is interested in her. Let me contact the vet n get All her information. "

So, if that was really the case, why on earth would you not have just said, yes, I want to sell her to someone else? I think it is pretty obvious what you are doing now. We are not a stupid lot.

Originally Posted by bellemarie (Post 3482888)

see, to me, thats yet another contradiction.
you previously said you didn't knnow she wanted her and thought her questions about the parents were unnessesary. you should have known them because of buying her to breed (unless from a byb or mill)- and just wanted her to outright say 'here's the money., i'll take her' because you kept telling her others were interested, but seemed to be making out that she was the main potential, Followed by your groomer.

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482922)

I had both ladies interested in her at the same time. Matter of fact the other lady contacted me first and i answered her questions first and I was honest and told them all that the others were interested. I answered the questions as they were recieved n because she said she wanted her I went w her.

Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3482887)

Should have one more quote here: "YES I do know what they mean and YES I did answer the question and said YES she had been tested but nothing I said was good enough... I feel that all medical questions should be asked but mating issues from the parenst, aww no. Especially if Izzy is to be a pet for her. I think yall have nothing better to do than to sit around and bash people and what YALL call 'wannabe breeders" "

The underlined is NOT true -- you told me "she had a slew of tests" when she was spayed but you DID NOT know what she had done. And btw -- that list was what I saids I usually ask. I did not need all of the info on breeding. I made it clear I needed to know the LP and bile acid test results. Those were my dealbreakers that I could not go forward without knowing.

You cannot in good conscious tell me that I WAS NOT the best fit for Izzy because you DID NOT ASK ME ONE QUESTION -- not one! I told you I was retired & about my other dogs because I thought you ought to know something about me but you did not ask me anything. So,how could you possibly know I was not the best home for Izzy? Did you know I bred Yorkies before? Do you know how long I have had yorkies? How many? When the first was? How long I studied the breed, breeding, and dogs? What other breed I might have bred? No -- you know nothing about me because you did not ask. Do not insult our intelligene now by trying to say you made some sort of conscious decision based on qualifications! I have to think it may just have been about who could put the money in your hand the fastest without having to answer ANY QUESTIONS and without a contract. Not saying this other person is not the best owner in the world, she may well be but if you asked her the same as me (ZERO) then how would you know?

You are now calling names and acting very unprofessional. This does not bode well for your breeding program.

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482913)

She said she wanted her before you did and I felt she was the best fit. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3482873)

Contridiction here, you said in your earlier post that you had no idea Debra wanted Izzy.......

Originally Posted by RoxysMomma (Post 3482926)

If you answered her questions first, then why didn't you already have the answers for Deb when she asked the same questions? I mean you said you answered all the questions.. just not to Deb.

Oh.. it's all water under the bridge. What happened happened, and Deb I'm so sorry you had to go thru this. I only PRAY I find as good an owner, as you, for my little babies looking for homes.

Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3482929)

How could you know that Deb wasn't a good fit.....you asked her no questions.

Originally Posted by PrinceHenry (Post 3482935)

OMGosh, i didnt mean she wasnt a good fit, good grief. Just simply went with the other lady. Why is that so horrible. I felt like that was the place for Izzy not that Debra is a bad person. I know she is an amazing yorkie mom but I went with the other ladie. Why is that so wrong. Also why answer tons of questions if I knew I had made up my mind. Why put her through all of that.