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pau_k 10-07-2010 09:25 AM

Looking for MORKIE
 
Hi everyone!
I want to buy my first dog, my friend has a morkie and when i saw him i just fell in love thats why i want to get one too. I wanted to buy my dog from the same breeder as she did but unfortunately they closed their business. I was traying to find something in the internet but i want to make sure that my dog will be from good people, thats why I want to ask you- people who know everything about yorkies and i hope morkies too :) please me tell if u know where i can buy great, healthy morkie in NJ, NY or PA. I want to buy a teacup size, (around 5lb when adult).

Rhetts_mama 10-07-2010 10:31 AM

No reputable breeder crosses breeds on purpose. You'll see some who try and tell you that these mixed pups are healthier than their purebred counter parts, but there is no scientific data backing that up. Mixed breeds (hybrids/cross breeds/mutts- what ever you prefer to call them) are prone to the same health problems as the breeds that go in to mixing them. There is also no standard for these mixes, so you have no guarantee of what you will end up with as an adult, looks wise or size wise.

And no reputable breeder sells "teacups" as there is no such classification. It's a marketing term greeders use to try and get more money for undersized dogs that are more prone to health problems. They might also use the term pocket pups, teaspoon or micros.

If you have your heart set on a certain mix or size, please consider adopting from a rescue or shelter rather than supporting bad breeding practices.

BamaFan121s 10-07-2010 10:58 AM

Welcome to YT. :) You have come to a great place to better enable you to make a more informed dececion when selecting a dog.

I would suggest that that you research breeding ethics before actively trying to acquire a dog. Purposely breeding mutts is generally frowned upon for various reasons. You will not likely receive any responses encouraging you to support such shady breeders by buying a dog from them. I wouldn't consider a Morkie breeder going out of business as "unfortunate" at all--I would view it as a blessing!

Also, please be aware that even if you find a Yorkie/Maltese mix, it is not likly to act like or even remotely resemble your friend's dog physically. There is no set "type" for mixed breeds--you never know what you are going to get, including physical structure, temperament, or genetic ailments. :(

If you are determined to get a mix of some sort, then please consider adopting form a a rescue. Rescues need a loving home too and you would be granted them a miracle instead of supporting a bad breeder.

jacquelinebabco 10-07-2010 12:16 PM

Another customer looking for a Chrysler in a Ford dealership!!!

megansmomma 10-07-2010 12:16 PM

Agreed! If you look at my avatar I have two Yorkie/Maltese mixes. Bogey is completely blonde with brown eyes and Doodlebug us even lighter in color with black eyes. They are both rescues and IMO beautiful but I would never buy a Morkie from a breeder. There is no reason to mix the breeds and plenty available either in rescue or at shelters just like my Bogey and Doodlebug. BTW~their adoption fees were only $300 for Doodlebug (he was 12 weeks old) and Bogey's fee was $65 with a $40 refund after neuter. Yes you can adopt puppies from rescues and not support unethical breeders. Wishing you lots of luck in your search.

Beamers Mom 10-07-2010 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jacquelinebabco (Post 3292802)
Another customer looking for a Chrysler in a Ford dealership!!!


Or a McDonald's in a Gourmet restaurant;)

rik20101 10-07-2010 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jacquelinebabco (Post 3292802)
Another customer looking for a Chrysler in a Ford dealership!!!

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Originally Posted by Beamers Mom (Post 3292860)
Or a McDonald's in a Gourmet restaurant;)


Well, I for one LOVE my cheap a** little McDonald's dog. Sorry she doesn't live up to your gourmet dogs.

Good luck in your search!!

BobbieD 10-07-2010 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rik20101 (Post 3293057)
Well, I for one LOVE my cheap a** little McDonald's dog. Sorry she doesn't live up to your gourmet dogs.

Good luck in your search!!

I think they were out of line. A cross bred dog is no less valuable to their owners then the most expensive purebred dog in the world. And comments like that will not help this person in his/her search. There is such thing as common courtesy. You can help educate a person with out bashing them!

pau_k 10-07-2010 05:36 PM

to some people: if u dont wanna help me just dont write anything, i think there is nothing wrong with morkies, they as as good as yorkie or other breed, maybe 200years ago yorkie wasnt a pure breed , whatever, just dont answer qustions if u want to be mean.

Beamers Mom 10-07-2010 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbieD (Post 3293077)
I think they were out of line. A cross bred dog is no less valuable to their owners then the most expensive purebred dog in the world. And comments like that will not help this person in his/her search. There is such thing as common courtesy. You can help educate a person with out bashing them!

Nothing against mixed breeds, there are a lot of cute ones. BUT reputable breeders will not breed mixes.
I have a Yorkie that was basically free and one that cost over $1000.00 and they are both as valuable to me.

Oh and to the OP. 5lbs is not a teacup size, it is on the smaller side of "standard" for a Yorkie. When people say teacup they are usually meaning the tiny ones. So, don't make the mistake of asking for teacup size:)

DvlshAngel985 10-07-2010 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by rik20101 (Post 3293057)
Well, I for one LOVE my cheap a** little McDonald's dog. Sorry she doesn't live up to your gourmet dogs.

Good luck in your search!!

I knew someone was going to take offense to that remark. Would comparing a Civic and a Corrolla be better? They're both affordable, little Japanese cars. They're just saying this is the wrong place to ask for Morkie breeders. Lots of the members here are passionate about conserving the Yorkshire Terrier breed, and no, no one here thinks they are better than anyone else because they have a purebred vs someone with a mix. At least I don't feel that way. If anyone really wants a mixed breed dog, I suggest rescues and shelters. Even breed specific rescues have mixes every once in a while. OP good luck in your search. :)

DvlshAngel985 10-07-2010 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Beamers Mom (Post 3293088)
Nothing against mixed breeds, there are a lot of cute ones. BUT reputable breeders will not breed mixes.
I have a Yorkie that was basically free and one that cost over $1000.00 and they are both as valuable to me.

Oh and to the OP. 5lbs is not a teacup size, it is on the smaller side of "standard" for a Yorkie. When people say teacup they are usually meaning the tiny ones. So, don't make the mistake of asking for teacup size:)

:thumbup: good info. :D

DvlshAngel985 10-07-2010 05:57 PM

One last thing, no two morkies will look exactly alike. I've seen all kinds. I've seen some that look like malteses, yorkies, a yorkie with a light coat, a maltese with a dark coat, something in between, and something that looks nothing like their parents. They're all super cute, but when mixing breeds, you don't know what you're going to get. Either way, good luck!

BobbieD 10-07-2010 05:58 PM

I did not make that comment to irk anyone. I am new here and don't want to get off on the wrong foot. But I did find those comments harsh and uncalled for. I wish you luck in your search for the puppy that is right for you.

BamaFan121s 10-07-2010 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BobbieD (Post 3293077)
I think they were out of line. A cross bred dog is no less valuable to their owners then the most expensive purebred dog in the world.

I don't think that anyone meant to imply that any one dog is "lesser" than another. Where on Earth do you see that insinuated? :confused: Not supporting a specific breeding practice does not mean that one thinks the dogs are inferior to others in the eyes of their owners.

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Originally Posted by pau_k (Post 3293079)
to some people: if u dont wanna help me just dont write anything, i think there is nothing wrong with morkies, they as as good as yorkie or other breed, maybe 200years ago yorkie wasnt a pure breed , whatever, just dont answer qustions if u want to be mean.

pau_k--
You joined asking for advice, did you not? Bottom line is, you came to a YORKIE website full of passionate people who love the Yorkie breed as it is--does it really come as a shock to you that members here would not be supportive of this type of breeding? Given the strong feelings that people have on the matter, I think you got some very mild and helpful responses full of suggestions and explanations for why people do not agree with it--even if you choose to ignore the positive and only focus on what you perceive as negative.

I have found, that when you post on a large site, full of opinionated people about a topic many feel very strongly about, you can expect a wide spectrum of answers--some you may like, and some you may not agree with. It just comes with the territory. However, one cannot "control" the responses given or expect others to bite their tongues just because you demand that they "just don't write anything" if it's an answer you don't want to hear. Just not a realistic expectation to have.

cj125 10-07-2010 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rik20101 (Post 3293057)
Well, I for one LOVE my cheap a** little McDonald's dog. Sorry she doesn't live up to your gourmet dogs.

Good luck in your search!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbieD (Post 3293077)
I think they were out of line. A cross bred dog is no less valuable to their owners then the most expensive purebred dog in the world. And comments like that will not help this person in his/her search. There is such thing as common courtesy. You can help educate a person with out bashing them!

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Originally Posted by pau_k (Post 3293079)
to some people: if u dont wanna help me just dont write anything, i think there is nothing wrong with morkies, they as as good as yorkie or other breed, maybe 200years ago yorkie wasnt a pure breed , whatever, just dont answer qustions if u want to be mean.


No one called your dog a name.
No one said mixes were less valuable than a purebred.
No one was bashing you or being mean.
And they did offer valuable information to you - which I call "educating" ...
so why are you all getting an attitude?

We love Yorkshire Terriers - I think the name of the forum pretty much says that. While we love dogs, the majority of the members here don't condone mixbreeding. This is not to say that we don't own, love or value mixbreeds - because we do - we just don't condone purposely breeding 2 breeds together.

The comments made about the restaurants/cars was because people come on here looking for something that isn't here. You came here asking about Morkies but this site clearly states Yorkie.... :confused:

This site has been here for 6 yrs so I'm sure you'll find something about Morkies - but not much.

Good Luck in your search but I'd start with the sticky that tells you how to look for a good breeder and then go from there.


angeleyes 10-07-2010 08:03 PM

Morkies
 
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3293104)
I don't think that anyone meant to imply that any one dog is "lesser" than another. Where on Earth do you see that insinuated? :confused: Not supporting a specific breeding practice does not mean that one thinks the dogs are inferior to others in the eyes of their owners.



pau_k--
You joined asking for advice, did you not? Bottom line is, you came to a YORKIE website full of passionate people who love the Yorkie breed as it is--does it really come as a shock to you that members here would not be supportive of this type of breeding? Given the strong feelings that people have on the matter, I think you got some very mild and helpful responses full of suggestions and explanations for why people do not agree with it--even if you choose to ignore the positive and only focus on what you perceive as negative.

I have found, that when you post on a large site, full of opinionated people about a topic many feel very strongly about, you can expect a wide spectrum of answers--some you may like, and some you may not agree with. It just comes with the territory. However, one cannot "control" the responses given or expect others to bite their tongues just because you demand that they "just don't write anything" if it's an answer you don't want to hear. Just not a realistic expectation to have.

Excuse me but I do believe that many people on YT also have Morkies. If somone wants a Morkie, then that's what they should have. Not to feel inferior if they don't have a purebred Yorkie. I had a choice and I chose a Morkie and have never regretted it for one moment. If I had it to do again, I'd make the same choice. I'm not saying anything against Yorkies as I think they are adorable. Being purebred does not make them any more or less loving or smart or adorable.

DvlshAngel985 10-07-2010 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by angeleyes (Post 3293213)
Excuse me but I do believe that many people on YT also have Morkies. If somone wants a Morkie, then that's what they should have. Not to feel inferior if they don't have a purebred Yorkie. I had a choice and I chose a Morkie and have never regretted it for one moment. If I had it to do again, I'd make the same choice. I'm not saying anything against Yorkies as I think they are adorable. Being purebred does not make them any more or less loving or smart or adorable.

Can someone please point out, WHERE IN THE PREVIOUS POSTS DOES IT SAY THAT???? Any dog is worth having, loving, and they are smart in their own way. It doesn't change the fact that no REPUTABLE breeder will mix breeds without a purpose. If someone wants a morkie, dorkie, or porkie (I don't know if they exist but hey, I wouldn't be surprised) they should have one definitely. But, they should check shelters first before dishing out money to support unscrupulous breeders.

angeleyes 10-07-2010 08:22 PM

Morkies
 
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Originally Posted by pau_k (Post 3292651)
Hi everyone!
I want to buy my first dog, my friend has a morkie and when i saw him i just fell in love thats why i want to get one too. I wanted to buy my dog from the same breeder as she did but unfortunately they closed their business. I was traying to find something in the internet but i want to make sure that my dog will be from good people, thats why I want to ask you- people who know everything about yorkies and i hope morkies too :) please me tell if u know where i can buy great, healthy morkie in NJ, NY or PA. I want to buy a teacup size, (around 5lb when adult).

Welcome to YT, I have learned to take only the information I want and to leave the rest. Sometimes people get a little high and mighty about some subjects. It use to make me feel inferior about having a Morkie but I have learned that it is their problem, not mine. I found an ad in our local paper for a lady who bred her Maltese and her Yorkie (yes, intensionally) as she had many requests for Morkie puppies. Her little Yorkie had a litter of 7 adorable and healthy puppies. They were born and raised in the house with the family and their kids and other dogs. We were free to come at any time and see the puppies and get to know which one we wanted. She would not let them go until they were 12 weeks which is vet recommended. I visited Belle about 4 times before she could come home with me. By then she knew us and she knew her name. She came with a vet record and letter about the health of the puppies. We also got a puppy starter kit and a health guarentee for 2 years. Also, if something happened that we couldn't keep the puppy, they could go back home at any time. She was always available by email or phone for any questions.
She breeds about once a year but never the same female, she spaces them out 2 years. the dogs she breeds are her babies that live with her family. Check around, ask the vets around you or check the papers, you"ll find a puppy to love. One thing, there is no such thing as a teacup puppy. They are puppies that are younger than the seller says they are, don' fall for that. A Morkie usually weighs around 5 to 8 pounds. Belle is almost 2 years and weighs just under 7 pounds and is totally healthy. Good luck:)

angeleyes 10-07-2010 08:33 PM

breeders
 
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Originally Posted by DvlshAngel985 (Post 3293229)
Can someone please point out, WHERE IN THE PREVIOUS POSTS DOES IT SAY THAT???? Any dog is worth having, loving, and they are smart in their own way. It doesn't change the fact that no REPUTABLE breeder will mix breeds without a purpose. If someone wants a morkie, dorkie, or porkie (I don't know if they exist but hey, I wouldn't be surprised) they should have one definitely. But, they should check shelters first before dishing out money to support unscrupulous breeders.


I guess an opinion depends on the type of person you get it from, especially when it comes to the meaning on reputable breeder vs unscrupulous breeder. sometimes you just have to look a little higher over that "gold crown" to be able to see clearly.:rolleyes:

DvlshAngel985 10-07-2010 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by angeleyes (Post 3293243)
I guess an opinion depends on the type of person you get it from, especially when it comes to the meaning on reputable breeder vs unscrupulous breeder. sometimes you just have to look a little higher over that "gold crown" to be able to see clearly.:rolleyes:

Sorry OP. Some people like to drag things on and on and can't see past what they read into other people's posts. I was going to respond to this post, but it's best I don't. :facepalm:

cj125 10-07-2010 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by angeleyes (Post 3293243)
I guess an opinion depends on the type of person you get it from, especially when it comes to the meaning on reputable breeder vs unscrupulous breeder. sometimes you just have to look a little higher over that "gold crown" to be able to see clearly.:rolleyes:

Ok - then please educate us.

What type of person should be giving us their opinion here?

megansmomma 10-07-2010 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by angeleyes (Post 3293236)
Welcome to YT, I have learned to take only the information I want and to leave the rest. Sometimes people get a little high and mighty about some subjects. It use to make me feel inferior about having a Morkie but I have learned that it is their problem, not mine. I found an ad in our local paper for a lady who bred her Maltese and her Yorkie (yes, intensionally) as she had many requests for Morkie puppies. Her little Yorkie had a litter of 7 adorable and healthy puppies. They were born and raised in the house with the family and their kids and other dogs. We were free to come at any time and see the puppies and get to know which one we wanted. She would not let them go until they were 12 weeks which is vet recommended. I visited Belle about 4 times before she could come home with me. By then she knew us and she knew her name. She came with a vet record and letter about the health of the puppies. We also got a puppy starter kit and a health guarentee for 2 years. Also, if something happened that we couldn't keep the puppy, they could go back home at any time. She was always available by email or phone for any questions.
She breeds about once a year but never the same female, she spaces them out 2 years. the dogs she breeds are her babies that live with her family. Check around, ask the vets around you or check the papers, you"ll find a puppy to love. One thing, there is no such thing as a teacup puppy. They are puppies that are younger than the seller says they are, don' fall for that. A Morkie usually weighs around 5 to 8 pounds. Belle is almost 2 years and weighs just under 7 pounds and is totally healthy. Good luck:)

Let me begin my saying that I too have 2 "Morkies" Yorkie/Maltese mixes. But unlike you mine are both rescues. Doodlebug was a puppy when I brought him home from the rescue. His mom was purchased at a puppymill auction and he was born at the rescue. Bogey is also a Yorkie/Maltese mix and from a shelter. He was a little over a year old when be became part of our family. Although they are both Morkies they are as different as they could possibly be. Bogey is blonde with dark brown eyes and a silkie coat. Dbug has black eyes and an almost white cottony coat. When you mix the two breeds you never know what the end result will be. Now we add your little Belle who looks nothing like my two. She is adorable but now we are adding another color combination to the Morkie "breed" with her black and white coloring.

There is a breed standard that all reputable breeders adhere to when having a litter of puppies. They do not just throw together a male and female and hope for the best. When someone breeds a mix that is exactly what they are doing. Hoping for cute puppies. But truth be told there is no way to tell what the final look of a puppy will be. Perfect example would be to just looking at all 3 of our Morkies the variation is huge!

I think the question would be other than the money factor why is the woman that breeds Morkies and sells them in the local paper doing so? The only reason is money~unless she gave you Belle for FREE that is her purpose. Someone is willing to pay her $$$ for these cute puppies so she is filling the demand. But really all that is doing is making her a BYBer earning a buck of her dogs. Then add to that she just uses the females for 2 yrs worth of puppies and rehomes them. To me that is just very sad. They are only her money making machines and when their time is up off they go and the next one is put into its place :( What you described in a BYBer and someone that I personally would not only not purchase a puppy from but also not recommend. It doesn't matter if you have a 2 year health guarantee or a forever return policy. I wonder what would happen if someone tried to collect?

Reputable breeders take two pure bred AKC registered dogs with the best qualities to try to achieve the perfect specimens of that breed. Someone who is mixing to make puppies could not have high quality dogs since a good breeder would never allow that to happen with their lines. I personally would want to know where her dogs came from to not have a spay/neuter contract in place.

There might have been a time that I would not have thought it was wrong to purposely mix breeds to make puppies. But in the past few years I have become very aware of all the dogs that are produced in this country and are PTS every year. Our shelters are over run with abandoned and unwanted animals.

Like I said before, I believe that if you want a Morkie you should adopt from a rescue or shelter. I do not feel that any of my three are inferior to other members pups on YT. Some of the best show breeders in the country that are right here on YT have told me that my dogs are pretty. I know they are not show quality but they sure are not any different than many of the other Yorkies and mixes on this forum! They are loved and care for unconditionally just like the love they bring to my life. There are plenty that need home and are dying because they do not have one. I truly hope that you take something from my words today regarding ethical breeding practices. This is the way that I learned to love the breed and support responsible and ethical breeding practices. :)

Here are pictures of my boys~:luvu:

Doodlebug is first and Bogey is second.

megansmomma 10-07-2010 09:19 PM

I miss read and would like to clarify........

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Then add to that she just uses the females for 2 yrs worth of puppies and rehomes them.
This was a misunderstanding that I stated. Sorry

BamaFan121s 10-08-2010 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by angeleyes (Post 3293213)
Excuse me but I do believe that many people on YT also have Morkies. If somone wants a Morkie, then that's what they should have. Not to feel inferior if they don't have a purebred Yorkie. I had a choice and I chose a Morkie and have never regretted it for one moment. If I had it to do again, I'd make the same choice. I'm not saying anything against Yorkies as I think they are adorable. Being purebred does not make them any more or less loving or smart or adorable.

Excuse me, but I'm fully aware that many people here on YT have a wide array of mixed breeds, just as there are many who do not support breeders who produce them. No one said anything about mixes being lesser dogs or suggested that those who love them are inferior in any way. Just because someone does not support them being purposely bred does not mean they are think ill of the dogs.

It seems that the difference of opinion is in what one views as a "reputable" breeder. The standards you use to make that assessment are clearly different. If someone post asking for advice, you are free to exhault the practice of breeding mutts just as others are free to offer advice for why they do not support it. What others choose to take from it is up to them.

As you seem to be very passionate in your stance on the matter, I am very intrested to know what qualities you believe make a Morkie breeder "reputable." What steps do the ones you have encountered take? The way I view it, it's an 'easy way out' for people to make money off their dogs, but clearly, you've witnessed otherwise. There are many concerns that people have with those breeding to produce mutts--what have you seen in 'reputable' Morkie breeders to address and disprove those concerns?

I am curious though...if the breeder you got your dog from had so many request for Morkies, why was she having to run an ad in the paper. Clearly, the demand she claimed she was breeding to meet was no longer there, so what was her reason for continuing?

Rhetts_mama 10-08-2010 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 3293249)
Ok - then please educate us.

What type of person should be giving us their opinion here?

According to some, it should only be the type who give sunshine and lollipop answers. To do other wise is being mean. :p

And again, I have nothing against mixed breeds- they've made up the majority of dogs I've had in my life. What I do have a problem with is the irresponsible breeders behind them and their latest tactic of calling them "hybrids" in order to run up prices for what is better described as an "oops". If that makes me an elitist, then so be it.

BamaFan121s 10-08-2010 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3293424)
If that makes me an elitist, then so be it.

Apparently it does. I hope your gold crown doesn't weigh down your head today. ;)

Beamers Mom 10-08-2010 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3293424)
According to some, it should only be the type who give sunshine and lollipop answers. To do other wise is being mean. :p

And again, I have nothing against mixed breeds- they've made up the majority of dogs I've had in my life. What I do have a problem with is the irresponsible breeders behind them and their latest tactic of calling them "hybrids" in order to run up prices for what is better described as an "oops". If that makes me an elitist, then so be it.

no No No - they are not "hybrids" - they are "designer dogs":)

Hmmm Bruce loved our old Oldsmobile Silhouette, now he likes the Lincoln Navigator, would like a combination of the two. Does anyone know of a reputable chop shop where he could get a Silvigator???:rolleyes::rolleyes:

jacquelinebabco 10-08-2010 08:24 AM

double post, sorry...

jacquelinebabco 10-08-2010 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Beamers Mom (Post 3293456)
no No No - they are not "hybrids" - they are "designer dogs":)

Hmmm Bruce loved our old Oldsmobile Silhouette, now he likes the Lincoln Navigator, would like a combination of the two. Does anyone know of a reputable chop shop where he could get a Silvigator???:rolleyes::rolleyes:

You made me spit my coffee out. LMAO


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