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Old 02-21-2009, 10:57 PM   #16
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um so they are never given shots? Oh well if that is the case I assume that they never go outside nor come into contact with other animals. Also the deworming is suppose to better and could cause major problems.

SO yeah I am wondering about this type of care now......how do they prevent diseases and worms that can cause and has caused death
there is a lot of research results showing the problems related to vaccines.
i am waiting until my puppies are 12 weeks until i give any vaccines.
then, they will be given only if my vet recommends them. the puppies i adopted to great families were not vaccinated... and that made them highly desirable to the knowledgable new owners.. it is a very good idea to do research on the latest findings in the scientific community.. the same old plan we used for all these years may be harming our babies...just like all the dog food we thought was safe... and we found out it is hurting them...
what happens when a breeder gives 3 doses of vaccine to a small dog at 8, 10, and 12 weeks.. and then sells the puppy to someone who takes it to the vet, and disregards the breeders actions, and goes ahead with more vaccines? i think this happens a lot... what about the poisonous preservatives used in the vaccines? i would rather err on the side of safety
... i dont want to cause neurological damage to any of my animals...
i am still doing my research.. and i am thankful there are holistic vets i can turn to...
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This is interesting.
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When someone buys one of your puppies they would probably have to take it to a holistic vet then, right?
I would think a regular vet would be looking for the vaccination and worming records.
This is a most interesting thread.
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I have to agree this is a interesting topic......something I have never heard of. So thanks Jen for answering our questions, since it is new to some of us.

I did google it, however came up with a bunch of sites, is there one that you hold true to your breeding program that I could look over and learn more?

Does this mean all natural, that the puppies are on a all natural food diet also?
So lets say someone does not get the parvo shots, how do they prevent parvo contact with one of the babies. I have always been told that Parvo is one of the leading causes of puppy death, is there something natural that also prevents this from happening?
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i do check their stools since i clean up my yard very frequently.. there are a lot of great natural products we can use to prevent diseases in our pets and for ourselves.. none of these products require a prescription..
I read up on the Pura Site & found what I read to be quite interesting. If one of my dogs is tested positive for parasites, I plan to give it a try. However, it may be better to give it to them on a regular, preventative basis.

My only issue with what you've written is where/how you check their stools. Parasites are microscopic, so a yard check is not adequate. I think it would be worthwhile to have the stools checked by a vet to confirm the absence of parasites & worms.
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This is interesting.
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When someone buys one of your puppies they would probably have to take it to a holistic vet then, right?
I would think a regular vet would be looking for the vaccination and worming records.
This is a most interesting thread.

when someone adopts a puppy... they get to choose their own vet...
a holistic vet is my choice... but, i do not have control over the puppy
or the choice of vet.. so the puppy is at risk of overvaccination if i give all the shots before they are placed... a fecal test is done by the new vet,
and no parasites are found because the worming was done holistically using natural products...also, the vet often times disregards the breeder's record of injections when done, and goes ahead with another round of shots , possibly causing great damage to the puppy...finding the right vet is very important.
i am praying for holistic buyers for my puppies... i have always given my dogs vaccinations in the past... however, regular vets are always pushing vaccines when they are not necessary.. they now say a 3 year booster is all that is needed instead of a yearly booster... google vaccinosis....
a reduction in the types of vaccines given, and in the frequency they are given are at least recommended in the latest research... the majority of vets do not even like breeders.. so , it is hard to find a good one who is aware
of the latest research... i don't know if it is just the money... maybe they need to give lots of vaccinations to pay the bills...
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Jen, I did look up some stuff, and what I have found is that vaccaniations need to be given, however to be held off until the puppy reaches 8 weeks old, and do not give boosters which is a waste of money and could cause health issues. What is it that you do that prevents diseases if they have not had any shots? Please do not take this wrong with my questions, I just have not heard of this and since I know vets do inject crap into our babies even if they do not need it this type of care seems awesome if I learn more about it and how to prevent diseases from happening.

Like I stated your babies are so adorable.....do you still have Gus Gus?
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Cant wait to See the Puppies today. Johanna has been saying great things about you and your puppies :-D.
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I read up on the Pura Site & found what I read to be quite interesting. If one of my dogs is tested positive for parasites, I plan to give it a try. However, it may be better to give it to them on a regular, preventative basis.

My only issue with what you've written is where/how you check their stools. Parasites are microscopic, so a yard check is not adequate. I think it would be worthwhile to have the stools checked by a vet to confirm the absence of parasites & worms.

i have been using herbs for 17 years for myself and my family...
i buy my products from judy maries miracles of health...
colon cleansing is the best way to prevent disease in humans.
so, i assume this also is a good thing for animals. preventing disease is a lot easier than curing it.
good nutrition and an environment free of toxins includes not giving
medications or unnecessary vaccines is my definition of holistic.. but, each person must decide for themselves.. and of course abide by the laws of each state concerning vaccinations...i am a nurse whoi sees the damage done by overmedicating people.. the same is true for vets giving meds to animals in many cases...there are lots of effective and useful miracle drugs.
we just need to be informed and be responsible for doing our own research
before following blindly.. to do no harm...


btw...parasites are not always small and microscopic... they feed on the inside and grow very large..
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i have been using herbs for 17 years for myself and my family...
i buy my products from judy maries miracles of health...
colon cleansing is the best way to prevent disease in humans.
so, i assume this also is a good thing for animals. preventing disease is a lot easier than curing it.
good nutrition and an environment free of toxins includes not giving
medications or unnecessary vaccines is my definition of holistic.. but, each person must decide for themselves.. and of course abide by the laws of each state concerning vaccinations...i am a nurse whoi sees the damage done by overmedicating people.. the same is true for vets giving meds to animals in many cases...there are lots of effective and useful miracle drugs.
we just need to be informed and be responsible for doing our own research
before following blindly.. to do no harm...

btw...parasites are not always small and microscopic... they feed on the inside and grow very large..
You sound like my DW . After 25 years of daily lectures, she's starting to get through to me. When the Yorksters are prescribed meds by the vet, I can't tell her, because I get yet another long lecture on their harmful effects.

I did look at Judy Marie's web site, & it's very convincing - Well Done.
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I have to agree this is a interesting topic......something I have never heard of. So thanks Jen for answering our questions, since it is new to some of us.

I did google it, however came up with a bunch of sites, is there one that you hold true to your breeding program that I could look over and learn more?

Does this mean all natural, that the puppies are on a all natural food diet also?
So lets say someone does not get the parvo shots, how do they prevent parvo contact with one of the babies. I have always been told that Parvo is one of the leading causes of puppy death, is there something natural that also prevents this from happening?

i am researching the subject now... how are they catching parvo?
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Jen, I did look up some stuff, and what I have found is that vaccaniations need to be given, however to be held off until the puppy reaches 8 weeks old, and do not give boosters which is a waste of money and could cause health issues. What is it that you do that prevents diseases if they have not had any shots? Please do not take this wrong with my questions, I just have not heard of this and since I know vets do inject crap into our babies even if they do not need it this type of care seems awesome if I learn more about it and how to prevent diseases from happening.

Like I stated your babies are so adorable.....do you still have Gus Gus?
yes, i have my beloved yorkipoo gusgus...my avatar... forever...
i still have 2 yorkie boys left to find homes for..
i havent decided on giving or not giving vaccines to my puppies yet..
if i do, it will be at 12 weeks... i will be visiting dr. maro for a consult..
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Cant wait to See the Puppies today. Johanna has been saying great things about you and your puppies :-D.

thank you van for adopting little lightning mcqueen...another lucky dog finds a holistic mommy...i am so thrilled...
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Transmission of pravo is from one dog to another through their feces. Parvo can live for up to 9 months when the conditions are right where the feces are found. Parvo can be carried in an adult dog that shows no outward signs of parvo, but the disease can be found in their stool. The disease is not an air born type, but can be transmitted through the sole of your shoe and even birds may carry this deadly disease into your yard if they have been in contact with the infected feces.

Once parvo has invaded your yard or your home it is there to stay if you do not rid the area of the disease. Then, your next dog can and probably will become infected. There is only one way to kill the disease from your home, clothing, or back yard. You will need to use bleach! Soap, water or other household cleansers for your home or clothing will not kill pravo. You should use a mixture of 1/3 bleach to 2/3 water and disinfect everything that the dog has been around including your clothing, his food and water dish and any bedding that he has used. In your yard, soak the entire area with the bleach solution. You can also talk with your veterinarian and purchase a disinfectant such as Parvosan or Roccal which is designed for treating any areas that have been exposed to parvo.
What Is Canine Parvo by Sean L

While I agree that over vaccinating is a huge concern, I would really worry about not being vaccinated for parvo. It's a highly contagious disease.

Edited to add that yes, I see the typos in that article. I didn't write it! lol
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