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cesar49 02-22-2009 11:13 AM

a miracle
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drabinowitz43 (Post 2482753)

another great product i recommend from judy maries is the vegetal silica.
i pour this on their food daily to build strong muscles and ligaments...
the puracleanse is an all purpose colon cleanser detoxer....and the purasite
is specifically for parasites...this company has been around for 20 years, founded by herbal doctors., and i am a distributor..so i can buy in bulk...the puracleanse keeps me healthy
and i recommend all of their products for people, and in small doses for our pets.. they used to be called "Amiracle"... and i could tell you some stories... testimonials of success... preventive health care...

vtran08 02-22-2009 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by cesar49 (Post 2482820)
thank you van for adopting little lightning mcqueen...another lucky dog finds a holistic mommy...i am so thrilled...:)

Your so very Welcome! He's so adorable and i cant wait to take him home once everything at home is settled. Jen is indeed a great breeder who loves her dogs to death. I also recommend her to anyone looking for a yorkie puppy.:)

bildio 02-22-2009 11:21 AM

What are recommended dosages for Yorkies?

cesar49 02-23-2009 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bildio (Post 2482844)
What are recommended dosages for Yorkies?

it depends upon which product you use.. for the purasite, i open the capsule
and mix one entire capsule into the food for 5 dogs.. there are no recommendations... and the herbs are synergistic... one whole capsule for one adult dog would be my maximum dose.for one puppy i would not exceed
1/2 of a capsule.. placing it in cheese would also work..since they dont like the taste, i give it in the food to mask the taste a little...

jrwatt 02-24-2009 07:42 AM

Homeopathic/Holistic Care
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fannie (Post 2482824)
What Is Canine Parvo by Sean L

While I agree that over vaccinating is a huge concern, I would really worry about not being vaccinated for parvo. It's a highly contagious disease.

Edited to add that yes, I see the typos in that article. I didn't write it! lol

I wanted to address this concern because I think its quite a valid one. I am a holistic yorkshire terrier breeder and I also run a small puppy rescue.

We think of vaccines as the actual protection from the virus itself, waiting in the dog's body to JUMP OUT when it is needed and attack the parvo but in fact the parvo vaccine is an attenuated (made less strong) dose of parvo. You are actually GIVING your dog parvo when you vaccinate. The conventional vet tells you that the dog's immune system will start producing antibodies within a few days. While that is true, it is NOT the vaccine but the dog's own immune system's antibodies that protect it. Tiny puppies do not have developed immune systems, they rely on their mothers immunity from the collostrum in their milk. In the meantime the dog gets very sick and cannot fully recover, causing skin problems, itching, infections, fleas etc. The vaccines contain heavy metals like aluminum to agitate the immune system supposedly to create a GREATER immune system reaction. They often lead to neurological damage because they cannot be filtered out of the bloodstream fast enough. That happens in the dogs you see that are "off" or "no body is upstairs" or "one sandwich short of a picnic." In severe cases the dog dies. I have seen this happen.

All vaccines cause damage. It is not a question of which dog it will happen to its a question of how it will manifest. Usually it takes several years and comes out at the injection site as cancer.

Holistic/Homeopathic vets and breeders prepare the dog's immune system for any attack so it can create antibodies by simply allowing the dog to be healthy. Giving it 5 diseases in one vaccine will make it weaker, less able to fight.

All dogs come in contact with the diseases regularly. They are in the environment and your dogs produce antibodies rapidly. It is only an immuno-supposed dog that becomes sick. Most dogs have NATURAL IMMUNITY.

We are bullied, scared and guilt tripped into giving our dogs unncessary doses of diseases that shorten their life span and cripple their immune systems.

cesar49 02-24-2009 12:48 PM

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johanna,
thank you for the vaccine info. i am shocked by it all.
reading about the truth behind vaccines makes me very angry and
i will be joining the holistic community in sharing the information to everyone
i can reach... if people would be willing to search out the truth, they would be as shocked and angry as i am, right now. i never want to harm my dogs.
and i am sure no one does...god bless...jen



i still have 2 boys available for adoption...they are almost 11 weeks old, and they are gorgeous and healthy... email me at ccmitsu1@aol.com

fannie 02-24-2009 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by jrwatt (Post 2485849)
I wanted to address this concern because I think its quite a valid one. I am a holistic yorkshire terrier breeder and I also run a small puppy rescue.

We think of vaccines as the actual protection from the virus itself, waiting in the dog's body to JUMP OUT when it is needed and attack the parvo but in fact the parvo vaccine is an attenuated (made less strong) dose of parvo. You are actually GIVING your dog parvo when you vaccinate. The conventional vet tells you that the dog's immune system will start producing antibodies within a few days. While that is true, it is NOT the vaccine but the dog's own immune system's antibodies that protect it. Tiny puppies do not have developed immune systems, they rely on their mothers immunity from the collostrum in their milk. In the meantime the dog gets very sick and cannot fully recover, causing skin problems, itching, infections, fleas etc. The vaccines contain heavy metals like aluminum to agitate the immune system supposedly to create a GREATER immune system reaction. They often lead to neurological damage because they cannot be filtered out of the bloodstream fast enough. That happens in the dogs you see that are "off" or "no body is upstairs" or "one sandwich short of a picnic." In severe cases the dog dies. I have seen this happen.

All vaccines cause damage. It is not a question of which dog it will happen to its a question of how it will manifest. Usually it takes several years and comes out at the injection site as cancer.

Holistic/Homeopathic vets and breeders prepare the dog's immune system for any attack so it can create antibodies by simply allowing the dog to be healthy. Giving it 5 diseases in one vaccine will make it weaker, less able to fight.

All dogs come in contact with the diseases regularly. They are in the environment and your dogs produce antibodies rapidly. It is only an immuno-supposed dog that becomes sick. Most dogs have NATURAL IMMUNITY.

We are bullied, scared and guilt tripped into giving our dogs unncessary doses of diseases that shorten their life span and cripple their immune systems.

I do completely agree with you on this. I'm not a big fan of vaccines for anybody (including humans). I guess I never figured it would be the same issues for puppies as it is for us. It makes complete sense. I will definitely be doing more research on this.

vtran08 02-24-2009 03:32 PM

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I took home Lightning Mqueen yesterday and man i love this yorkie boy to death. he's a little mama's boy and is doing great.he's eating, play and still tryin to get along with my two other yorkies but they are coming around. He slept through the whole night in his crate. I left the crate door open but he never left it til he saw me walking pass. :aimeeyork

Jen's last two puppies are so sweet and playfuli wish i could take them home with me also.

Here some pics of Lightning with the siblings.

Gabe thinks Lightning was his early birthday present. what the parent dont know is that it was a way for me to bring home another Yorkie to love :-D

cesar49 02-26-2009 02:01 PM

Harlie is adopted
 
I am down to one puppy....Another great home has been located..
I will be flying the boy to california personally... The cost for this service is $300....and ensures safe delivery... One boy left...TYJ:)

CocosMom 02-26-2009 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by vtran08 (Post 2486723)
I took home Lightning Mqueen yesterday and man i love this yorkie boy to death. he's a little mama's boy and is doing great.he's eating, play and still tryin to get along with my two other yorkies but they are coming around. He slept through the whole night in his crate. I left the crate door open but he never left it til he saw me walking pass. :aimeeyork

Jen's last two puppies are so sweet and playfuli wish i could take them home with me also.

Here some pics of Lightning with the siblings.

Gabe thinks Lightning was his early birthday present. what the parent dont know is that it was a way for me to bring home another Yorkie to love :-D


I love my yorkies...but those two kids are so dang adorable....i'd love the have them!!! :pLOL

Congrats on ur new pupppy!!:D

vtran08 02-26-2009 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CocosMom (Post 2490770)
I love my yorkies...but those two kids are so dang adorable....i'd love the have them!!! :pLOL

Congrats on ur new pupppy!!:D

Lol sry cant have my Siblings! I dont think i could live without them and my Yorkies.
I always look forward to seeing them every thurs-mon since i went away for college. its worth a 1 1/2 hr drive home every week.

yorkiekist 02-26-2009 10:37 PM

I am not really understanding the holistic thing when it comes to Parvo. When Parvo came to this country in the 70's 1000's of dogs died because there was no innoculation and no immunity to this disease. So if the parents of the puppies have not been innoculated, because they are being treated holistically, then how do the puppies get the immunities to Parvo? I would never take a chance of any of my babies getting this horrid disease so I do innoculate. And even that doesnt always do the trick because of the different strains of Parvo.In 29 years of breeding dogs, I have never seen or heard of a dog having neurological problems from a Parvo shot. I do not believe in over innoculating either. I dont give my adults boosters every year, unless they are being shown. Just wondering how that holistic thing works.

yorkieisme 03-01-2009 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2491559)
I am not really understanding the holistic thing when it comes to Parvo. When Parvo came to this country in the 70's 1000's of dogs died because there was no innoculation and no immunity to this disease. So if the parents of the puppies have not been innoculated, because they are being treated holistically, then how do the puppies get the immunities to Parvo? I would never take a chance of any of my babies getting this horrid disease so I do innoculate. And even that doesnt always do the trick because of the different strains of Parvo.In 29 years of breeding dogs, I have never seen or heard of a dog having neurological problems from a Parvo shot. I do not believe in over innoculating either. I dont give my adults boosters every year, unless they are being shown. Just wondering how that holistic thing works.

I'm afraid that I don't possibly understand this myself. This sickness is very well known to all breeds and I don't see how natural herbs or natural anything could avoid this when it comes to animals. I believe there are some shots worth having to avoid diseases and parvo shots are one of the ones. I also believe the ones using this holistic care are not really for sure themselves, they just think that it is the best or is a great selling point when it comes to a sale. I sure hope I didn't open a can of worms with my first post on the subject......because it seems people are really into the hype of holistic care which it could prove dangerous to a new yorkie owner.

Also Jen those little boys are so cute.........good luck on finding them a great holistic/normal home.

jrwatt 03-01-2009 07:25 AM

Vaccines
 
Yes, it is hard to understand if you do not know the science behind vaccinations and diseases. This is not the place to list statistics and studies. Respect the opinions of those who have spent years doing so in favor of a healthier species.
This will answer the questions you directly addressed.
NaturalRearing.com ~ Science of Vaccine Damage

cesar49 03-01-2009 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by yorkieisme (Post 2494914)
I'm afraid that I don't possibly understand this myself. This sickness is very well known to all breeds and I don't see how natural herbs or natural anything could avoid this when it comes to animals. I believe there are some shots worth having to avoid diseases and parvo shots are one of the ones. I also believe the ones using this holistic care are not really for sure themselves, they just think that it is the best or is a great selling point when it comes to a sale. I sure hope I didn't open a can of worms with my first post on the subject......because it seems people are really into the hype of holistic care which it could prove dangerous to a new yorkie owner.

Also Jen those little boys are so cute.........good luck on finding them a great holistic/normal home.

[I] think there is a reason for parvo... If it starts with feces, then the feces are the problem.. maintaining a clean environment is the best way.. Of course, this is not a perfect world... But, this is about worms.... and using a natural dewormer , and keeping the home and yard clean is the first line of defense... The fear i have, is causing parvo to appear in a healthy puppy by giving the vaccine... The drug companies have not tested properly for our pets, and the evidence is out there if you search... I found a good site and there is a lot of information available... There is a chance that vaccines are causing damage, and i am not going to risk their health any longer.. Just because puriona makes an expensive canned dog food does not make it a healthy food, free of animal by products... in the same way, are we supposed to believe the hype and advertising about safe vaccines..???
It is time to dig a little deeper, and stop listening to the commercialized views.... Vaccines are all about money.....not about need...this is my opinion.
and probably not the popular opinion...

Vaccination as a risk factor in serious auto-immune diseases at Vaccination Debate Forum

cesar49 03-01-2009 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkieisme (Post 2494914)
I'm afraid that I don't possibly understand this myself. This sickness is very well known to all breeds and I don't see how natural herbs or natural anything could avoid this when it comes to animals. I believe there are some shots worth having to avoid diseases and parvo shots are one of the ones. I also believe the ones using this holistic care are not really for sure themselves, they just think that it is the best or is a great selling point when it comes to a sale. I sure hope I didn't open a can of worms with my first post on the subject......because it seems people are really into the hype of holistic care which it could prove dangerous to a new yorkie owner.

Also Jen those little boys are so cute.........good luck on finding them a great holistic/normal home.

[I] think there is a reason for parvo... If it starts with feces, then the feces are the problem.. maintaining a clean environment is the best way.. Of course, this is not a perfect world... But, this is about worms.... and using a natural dewormer , and keeping the home and yard clean is the first line of defense... The fear i have, is causing parvo to appear in a healthy puppy by giving the vaccine... The drug companies have not tested properly for our pets, and the evidence is out there if you search... I found a good site and there is a lot of information available... There is a chance that vaccines are causing damage, and i am not going to risk their health any longer.. Just because puriona makes an expensive canned dog food does not make it a healthy food, free of animal by products... in the same way, are we supposed to believe the hype and advertising about safe vaccines..???
It is time to dig a little deeper, and stop listening to the commercialized views.... Vaccines are all about money.....not about need...this is my opinion.
and probably not the popular opinion...

Vaccination as a risk factor in serious auto-immune diseases at Vaccination Debate Forum

yorkieisme 03-02-2009 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by jrwatt (Post 2495051)
Yes, it is hard to understand if you do not know the science behind vaccinations and diseases. This is not the place to list statistics and studies. Respect the opinions of those who have spent years doing so in favor of a healthier species.
This will answer the questions you directly addressed.
NaturalRearing.com ~ Science of Vaccine Damage

Actually this is a great place for ones to state their findings, and also how are we suppose to respect something that we know nothing of even when you have "spent years doing so in favor of a healthier species". I think YT is a learning source, not all about fussing and laughing over stuff, but also a great educational source.

I'm not going to go back and read all of those sites again, all it does is talk about over doing vacs. Does not say "DO NOT GIVE THEM". Sorry I don't agree with you on the shots, however sending out websites is not proof of what it is and what it does. People who do not give the parvo shot helps spread the disease even more in my book.

cesar49 03-02-2009 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkieisme (Post 2497434)
Actually this is a great place for ones to state their findings, and also how are we suppose to respect something that we know nothing of even when you have "spent years doing so in favor of a healthier species". I think YT is a learning source, not all about fussing and laughing over stuff, but also a great educational source.

I'm not going to go back and read all of those sites again, all it does is talk about over doing vacs. Does not say "DO NOT GIVE THEM". Sorry I don't agree with you on the shots, however sending out websites is not proof of what it is and what it does. People who do not give the parvo shot helps spread the disease even more in my book.





I am new to this holistic care.. but, the research is clearly pointing to
the cause of parvo being the vaccinating....at the very least, any puppies should not be vaccinated until 16 weeks of age...and then, with only safe MLV
vaccine...and only in single type shots.. no 5 ways...after reading about the
problems, i will not be giving the accepted doses of these poisons to my puppies... curing parvo is also a matter of hydration.. and there are cures such as parvaid... i am suggesting that we may be giving parvo to these animals by vaccinating them.. and causing lifelong damage in many other ways..anyone with a computer who is interested can find out the truth.

building natural immunity instead of destroying it is the answer...

yorkiekist 03-02-2009 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkieisme (Post 2494914)
I'm afraid that I don't possibly understand this myself. This sickness is very well known to all breeds and I don't see how natural herbs or natural anything could avoid this when it comes to animals. I believe there are some shots worth having to avoid diseases and parvo shots are one of the ones. I also believe the ones using this holistic care are not really for sure themselves, they just think that it is the best or is a great selling point when it comes to a sale. I sure hope I didn't open a can of worms with my first post on the subject......because it seems people are really into the hype of holistic care which it could prove dangerous to a new yorkie owner.

Also Jen those little boys are so cute.........good luck on finding them a great holistic/normal home.

I tried the "holistic" way to decrease the severity and longevity of my cold I had 2 1/2 years ago. A very popular product that is still being sold today. I PERMANENTLY lost my taste/smell. Sometimes "holistic" is not worth the risk.

yorkiekist 03-02-2009 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cesar49 (Post 2498611)
I am new to this holistic care.. but, the research is clearly pointing to
the cause of parvo being the vaccinating....at the very least, any puppies should not be vaccinated until 16 weeks of age...and then, with only safe MLV
vaccine...and only in single type shots.. no 5 ways...after reading about the
problems, i will not be giving the accepted doses of these poisons to my puppies... curing parvo is also a matter of hydration.. and there are cures such as parvaid... i am suggesting that we may be giving parvo to these animals by vaccinating them.. and causing lifelong damage in many other ways..anyone with a computer who is interested can find out the truth.

building natural immunity instead of destroying it is the answer...

I have a friend who used parvaid and her puppies still died. So I guess there is just as much risk with or without the holistic approach.

cesar49 03-02-2009 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2498642)
I have a friend who used parvaid and her puppies still died. So I guess there is just as much risk with or without the holistic approach.

i guess the holistic way would include no vaccines and a good diet including feeding raw foods for the probiotics...
regarding ... your friend with the parvo puppies....
were they vaccinated for parvo right before they died of parvo?
the risk is documented in many cases....

yorkiekist 03-02-2009 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrwatt (Post 2485849)
I wanted to address this concern because I think its quite a valid one. I am a holistic yorkshire terrier breeder and I also run a small puppy rescue.

We think of vaccines as the actual protection from the virus itself, waiting in the dog's body to JUMP OUT when it is needed and attack the parvo but in fact the parvo vaccine is an attenuated (made less strong) dose of parvo. You are actually GIVING your dog parvo when you vaccinate. The conventional vet tells you that the dog's immune system will start producing antibodies within a few days. While that is true, it is NOT the vaccine but the dog's own immune system's antibodies that protect it. Tiny puppies do not have developed immune systems, they rely on their mothers immunity from the collostrum in their milk. In the meantime the dog gets very sick and cannot fully recover, causing skin problems, itching, infections, fleas etc. The vaccines contain heavy metals like aluminum to agitate the immune system supposedly to create a GREATER immune system reaction. They often lead to neurological damage because they cannot be filtered out of the bloodstream fast enough. That happens in the dogs you see that are "off" or "no body is upstairs" or "one sandwich short of a picnic." In severe cases the dog dies. I have seen this happen.

All vaccines cause damage. It is not a question of which dog it will happen to its a question of how it will manifest. Usually it takes several years and comes out at the injection site as cancer.

Holistic/Homeopathic vets and breeders prepare the dog's immune system for any attack so it can create antibodies by simply allowing the dog to be healthy. Giving it 5 diseases in one vaccine will make it weaker, less able to fight.

All dogs come in contact with the diseases regularly. They are in the environment and your dogs produce antibodies rapidly. It is only an immuno-supposed dog that becomes sick. Most dogs have NATURAL IMMUNITY.

We are bullied, scared and guilt tripped into giving our dogs unncessary doses of diseases that shorten their life span and cripple their immune systems.

What about the rabies vaccine? Is there something "holistic" for that too? I wonder where the human race would be without the polio vaccine? I am not be-littling holistic practices, but I think I would rather err on the side of caution than risk my puppies. And in 25 + years of breeding I have never "shortened a life span or crippled immune systems". How is this measured, by the way? Just like people, one dogs life span is never going to be the same as another dogs lifespan, even in the same breed.

yorkiekist 03-02-2009 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by cesar49 (Post 2498652)
i guess the holistic way would include no vaccines and a good diet including feeding raw foods for the probiotics...
regarding ... your friend with the parvo puppies....
were they vaccinated for parvo right before they died of parvo?
the risk is documented in many cases....

She hadnt vaccinated them yet. She was going through the weaning stage and they were about 6 weeks of age.

cesar49 03-02-2009 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 2498656)
What about the rabies vaccine? Is there something "holistic" for that too? I wonder where the human race would be without the polio vaccine? I am not be-littling holistic practices, but I think I would rather err on the side of caution than risk my puppies. And in 25 + years of breeding I have never "shortened a life span or crippled immune systems". How is this measured, by the way? Just like people, one dogs life span is never going to be the same as another dogs lifespan, even in the same breed.


i can only suggest that the information is available...i have an aunt who acquired polio from her vaccination as a child.. the research surrounding the truth about vaccines suggests that the only reason for them is greed.
vaccinosis is a real issue... puppies die all the time from vaccines... but,
most times, the reason for the death is not blamed on the vaccine...
i am not going to risk it any longer...the drug companies do not even test these vaccines before they pass them out...i guess most animals simply survive the onslaught and we accept them as being normal and healthy
without even noticing the changes...it can be years later when the effects
are seen and blamed on other things... i am afraid to see my grandson vaccinated now... but, something needs to be done to stop this poisoning of our children and our pets...it is crazy... natural immunity does not need
vaccines... vaccines suppress the natural immunity... causing auto immune disorders...cancers at the injection site for the rabies...skin problems.. the list goes on and on...

cesar49 03-03-2009 03:10 PM

2 yorkie puppies available for adoption
 
i found this interesting and would like to share it...

:eek:

A team at Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine conducted
several studies to determine if vaccines can cause changes in
the immune system of dogs that might lead to life-threatening
immune-mediated diseases. They obviously conducted this research
because concern already existed. It was sponsored by the Haywood
Foundation which itself was looking for evidence that such changes in
the human immune system might also be vaccine induced. It found the
evidence.

The vaccinated, but not the non-vaccinated, dogs in the Purdue studies
developed autoantibodies to many of their own biochemicals, including
fibronectin, laminin, DNA, albumin, cytochrome C, cardiolipin and
collagen.

This means that the vaccinated dogs - "but not the non-vaccinated
dogs"- were attacking their own fibronectin, which is involved in
tissue repair, cell multiplication and growth, and differentiation
between tissues and organs in a living organism.

The vaccinated Purdue dogs also developed autoantibodies to laminin,
which is involved in many cellular activities including the adhesion,
spreading, differentiation, proliferation and movement of cells.
Vaccines thus appear to be capable of removing the natural
intelligence of cells.

Autoantibodies to cardiolipin are frequently found in patients with
the serious disease systemic lupus erythematosus and also in
individuals with other autoimmune diseases. The presence of elevated
anti-cardiolipin antibodies is significantly associated with clots
within the heart or blood vessels, in poor blood clotting,
haemorrhage, bleeding into the skin, foetal loss and neurological
conditions.

The Purdue studies also found that vaccinated dogs were developing
autoantibodies to their own collagen. About one quarter of all the
protein in the body is collagen. Collagen provides structure to our
bodies, protecting and supporting the softer tissues and connecting
them with the skeleton. It is no wonder that Canine Health Concern's
1997 study of 4,000 dogs showed a high number of dogs developing
mobility problems shortly after they were vaccinated (noted in my 1997
book, What Vets Don't Tell You About Vaccines).

Perhaps most worryingly, the Purdue studies found that the vaccinated
dogs had developed autoantibodies to their own DNA. Did the alarm
bells sound? Did the scientific community call a halt to the
vaccination program? No. Instead, they stuck their fingers in the air,
saying more research is needed to ascertain whether vaccines can cause
genetic damage. Meanwhile, the study dogs were found good homes, but
no long-term follow-up has been conducted. At around the same time,
the American Veterinary Medical Association (AVMA) Vaccine-Associated
Feline Sarcoma Task Force initiated several studies to find out why
160,000 cats each year in the USA develop terminal cancer at their
vaccine injection sites.(3) The fact that cats can get vaccine-induced
cancer has been acknowledged by veterinary bodies around the world,
and even the British Government acknowledged it through its Working
Group charged with the task of looking into canine and feline
vaccines(4) following pressure from Canine Health Concern. What do you
imagine was the advice of the AVMA Task Force, veterinary bodies and
governments? "Carry on vaccinating until we find out why vaccines are
killing cats, and which cats are most likely to die."

jrwatt 03-03-2009 09:03 PM

Holistic View
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cesar49 (Post 2499874)
i found this interesting and would like to share it...

:eek:

A team at Purdue University School of Veterinary Medicine conducted
several studies to determine if vaccines can cause changes in
the immune system of dogs that might lead to life-threatening
immune-mediated diseases...."

Yes, very interesting. Clearly they don't need to state "DONT VACCINATE" because anyone who would continue regular boosters after these findings has evidently been overvaccinated themselves.

bchgirl 03-03-2009 09:19 PM

That paragraph is taken out of context. Here's the entire study. The research was specifically regarding protocols as directed by manufacturer's....not veterinarians.

haywardstudyonvaccines

Taken directly from the above.

One control group was not vaccinated and the other group was vaccinated with a commercial multivalent vaccine at 8, 10, 12, 16, and 20 weeks of age and with a rabies vaccine at 16 weeks of age.


I know of no vet who would vaccinate any puppy this many times.

YoRkiE Te aMo 03-03-2009 09:47 PM

but u do have to wonder about the vaccines when every time ur little one goes for a vaccine and comes home and is hiding under ur couch shaking like a leaf and burning up and u call ur vet and he suggests u come back to give him some steroids to counteract the effect of the vaccines...
don't u wonder "why am i doing this to this little one i love so much ...just because they tell me this is good "

don't u one day wake up and say : this is not good for my little one if i want him healthy and well....:animal-pa


being good to ur little one is giving him :

Vaccines
chemicals for heartworm
chemicals for fleas
chemicals in the shampoos and rinses and detanglers
not to mention some of the stuff in the foods & treats

and all that to a little one u love so much :confused:

bchgirl 03-04-2009 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by YoRkiE Te aMo (Post 2500531)
but u do have to wonder about the vaccines when every time ur little one goes for a vaccine and comes home and is hiding under ur couch shaking like a leaf and burning up and u call ur vet and he suggests u come back to give him some steroids to counteract the effect of the vaccines...
don't u wonder "why am i doing this to this little one i love so much ...just because they tell me this is good "

don't u one day wake up and say : this is not good for my little one if i want him healthy and well....:animal-pa


being good to ur little one is giving him :

Vaccines
chemicals for heartworm
chemicals for fleas
chemicals in the shampoos and rinses and detanglers
not to mention some of the stuff in the foods & treats

and all that to a little one u love so much :confused:

What vaccine caused that reaction in your baby? Some have reactions to rabies injections....it usually occurs within 30 minutes of the injection. Personally I don't leave the vet's office without waiting. If your pet has a reaction....the solution there is your vet gives you a waiver. Rabies is a lot easier to avoid than parvo or distemper.

Sorry I think it's irresponsible for a breeder not to provide preventation against those two diseases. Should there be an outbreak...it's likely the breeder won't have ANY dogs to breed. There isn't any cure.

I'd advise vaccinating initially and then opting for titer testing when boosters are suggested.

I'm fortunate none of mine ever reacted like what you described above.

phfgkl 03-04-2009 05:46 AM

I've had dogs all my life. They were given their puppy shots and their yearly rabi vaccine. Every dog my entire family has had(this is 3 siblings and parents) have all lived from 14-19 years(this is including my golden retriever who was put down at 18 years of age because of cancer). My dogs to this day, all get their puppy shots and their rabi shots(although I have just switched to the 3 year rabi shot). My vet never pushes any shots, I tell her which ones I want(I do make sure the 2 outside dogs have their distemper shots also). I agree dogs are being over vaccinated also, but, i also feel their are certain shots they do need to keep them healthy. Someone said about polio, yes, some people did catch it still, but, if they wouldn't have had the polio shots, then more people would have died from it than what actually did. I am another person who has also tried a lot of herbal things, and herbal things do NOT work on me.


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