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kalina82 12-09-2007 06:32 PM
debarking is cruel no matter which way you slice it. i compare it to declawing. both are not necessary procedures. neither lengthen the pets lives or helps prevent disease (like S/N does). both of these procedures are usually done to appease the owner. dog doesn't shup up - debark it. cat claw furniture - declaw it. not nice in either case. why get an animal if you are going to do something like this to it. dogs bark, cats claw. its natural. you can train them not to do either of these things, i dont' care what that first sight posted said.

i wasn't going to say anything about your reasons for selling but since it was brought up, i don't see how you can sell your favorite girl. And your selling her as a 'good producer' and a ' valuable breeding dog'. just doesn't seem right. she's already been rehomed once. why not spay her and keep her? or spay her and find her a new home?

kalina82 12-09-2007 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrissy0277 (Post 1594200)
I have a friend who rescued a debarked girl and she needed a surgical procedure done and they couldnt do it because they couldnt get their smallest tube down her throat for anesthesia from all the scar tissue from debarking. Poor girl had so many problems :(
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: HUGE problem with debarked dogs. its very hard to get an tracheal tube in them....

jrsygal37 12-09-2007 06:34 PM
I'm sorry. I posted very mild a bit ago but I'm really bothered by this and need to just say it as I meant it. It's clear that this girl was just a $$ to everyone she's been in contact with. She no longer fits into your plans? She's been debarked - not by you though by her previous owner? She was however been your best house dog and of course your best producer. Oh and let's not forget she can stand to go on a diet. Valuable breeding dog. I think that says it all. So sad. So very sad and I really hope that someone here takes her, has her spayed and shows her how to just be someone's loved and cherished pet. Elaine

yorkiekist 12-09-2007 06:36 PM
I know where Pinehaven is coming from. As breeders, we cant keep them all. The house would be over-run by Yorkies and eventually, none of them would be treated correctly. I have placed two of my "older" girls after they were spayed. They didnt produce the qualities I was looking for. Both were still young,(4 and 5) and got very loving homes. I get frequent up-dates.Please dont get me wrong as this wasnt an easy decision, but it was best for the girls.

jrsygal37 12-09-2007 06:36 PM
And you know what really aggrevates me even more is the fact that you advertise her as being debarked as if it's a perk. You've got to be kidding me. E.

Chrissy0277 12-09-2007 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 1594230)
I know where Pinehaven is coming from. As breeders, we cant keep them all. The house would be over-run by Yorkies and eventually, none of them would be treated correctly. I have placed two of my "older" girls after they were spayed. They didnt produce the qualities I was looking for. Both were still young,(4 and 5) and got very loving homes. I get frequent up-dates.Please dont get me wrong as this wasnt an easy decision, but it was best for the girls.

I understand breeders do this but would you sell your UNSPAYED girl for 1500 dollars and list them as a potential breeding dog?

yorkiekist 12-09-2007 06:43 PM
No, absolutely not. I dont want any of my girls to fall into the puppymill/byb arena. I only want loving family homes for them.

Lorraine 12-09-2007 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 1594220)
I'm sorry. I posted very mild a bit ago but I'm really bothered by this and need to just say it as I meant it. It's clear that this girl was just a $$ to everyone she's been in contact with. She no longer fits into your plans? She's been debarked - not by you though by her previous owner? She was however been your best house dog and of course your best producer. Oh and let's not forget she can stand to go on a diet. Valuable breeding dog. I think that says it all. So sad. So very sad and I really hope that someone here takes her, has her spayed and shows her how to just be someone's loved and cherished pet. Elaine
:thumbup: :thumbup: and without being someone's new 'producer'. She looks like a lovley YOrkie but even if she were butt ugly she still deserves a loving home. I can't keep all mine either if I am no longer breeding them or even if I never bred them if they didn't turn out what i was looking for BUT they are never sold to someone else to breed. They are spayed/neutered and placed in a great pet home. I visit mine after rehoming and they are doing awesome and have a great life.
And why start to breed for wrong colour? Odd.

Lorraine 12-09-2007 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Chrissy0277 (Post 1594238)
I understand breeders do this but would you sell your UNSPAYED girl for 1500 dollars and list them as a potential breeding dog?
NEVER!

Pinehaven 12-09-2007 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BabyFidgette (Post 1594166)
It's not that Yorkies are not "supposed to" be that color. They were born that way. She didn't alter their DNA. Just as humans have different skin tones/hair color/etc, Yorkies have different colors to their hair. Just because judges of a club say so, doesn't mean their word is bond. Granted, the "standard" Yorkie is said to be certain colors/weight/etc. to win in a show ring, but sometimes Yorkies are born with what some think are faults, but that doesn't mean that they are not supposed to be like that. :(

Thank you - it's too bad that so many are blind and deaf when it comes to genetics - they don't want to see and they don't want to hear.

Chrissy0277 12-09-2007 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 1594248)
No, absolutely not. I dont want any of my girls to fall into the puppymill/byb arena. I only want loving family homes for them.

:thumbup: :thumbup:

Chrissy0277 12-09-2007 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 1594362)
:thumbup: :thumbup: and without being someone's new 'producer'. She looks like a lovley YOrkie but even if she were butt ugly she still deserves a loving home. I can't keep all mine either if I am no longer breeding them or even if I never bred them if they didn't turn out what i was looking for BUT they are never sold to someone else to breed. They are spayed/neutered and placed in a great pet home. I visit mine after rehoming and they are doing awesome and have a great life.
And why start to breed for wrong colour? Odd.
Cause its the "designer" and "trendy" thing to do

Lorraine 12-09-2007 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1594377)
Thank you - it's too bad that so many are blind and deaf when it comes to genetics - they don't want to see and they don't want to hear.
The Yorkie does not carry the gene for tri colour according to the parent club and it is mostly believed a cross occured.
Chocolate, gold (running gold so much into the blue it looks gold) are carried in the genes of the YOrkie.
They are wrong colour however and as such, not something that should be endeavoured to breed for.
Breed standards for the purebreds exist for a reason regardless of the breed you are talking about. Some colours are not acceptable in some breeds although they may genetically carry the colour. It isn't a new concept.
IMO, breeding for the 'rare' and wrong colours ran rampant when it was discovered much higher prices would be paid for producing wrong colours. It isn't for the betterment of the breed, it is for the filling of the pocket book and also because the world of the purebred dog and the breed standards concept is not understood by those that perpetuate dogs that are not being bred towards the standards.
Argue all you wish, that is my opinion and hopefully, others will think about it if nothing else.

yorkiekist 12-09-2007 07:47 PM
I dont think that anybody is "blind and deaf" to genetics. Most breeders follow the standard and dont want it changed.

jrsygal37 12-09-2007 07:55 PM
I think everyone's is wasting their breath posting about right or wrong. This woman is after one thing and one thing only. The almighty dollar. She's already defended debarking by inserting a link to a site that defends it. She's already made it clear that this girl is a potential money maker because after all she's been her best producer. She has no concern that "Her Favorite" girl will end up in the hands of a puppymill or byb. This is obvious in her advertising her as a good producer. If this is her favorite I'd certainly hate to see her least favorite. Just my .02 and if this post is not acceptable sorry but I'm so fed up with people. E.

Ladymom 12-09-2007 08:00 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 1594230)
I know where Pinehaven is coming from. As breeders, we cant keep them all. The house would be over-run by Yorkies and eventually, none of them would be treated correctly. I have placed two of my "older" girls after they were spayed. They didnt produce the qualities I was looking for. Both were still young,(4 and 5) and got very loving homes. I get frequent up-dates.Please dont get me wrong as this wasnt an easy decision, but it was best for the girls.
That's what responsible breeders do, place dogs that for whatever reason don't fit into their breeding program into loving forever homes after they have been spayed or neutered. I'm not familiar with Yorkie breeders, but reputable Maltese breeders place their retirees for the cost of spaying/neutering, updating vaccinations, and a dental.

I don't know how many litters this girl has had, but I'd love to see her retired and no longer have to "produce".

Lorraine 12-09-2007 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkiekist (Post 1594404)
I dont think that anybody is "blind and deaf" to genetics. Most breeders follow the standard and dont want it changed.
Thank you. I have been accused of many things but not blind and deaf to genetics, but then people that know me also know I have a degree from the University of British Columbia here in my city, Bachelor of Science in Agriculture, Animal Science Major, which included three years of genetics studies that I opted to pursue as part of my degree.
Not that it makes any difference really, except I do understand my breeding program and have a good grasp of understanding about breed standards and some of the issues behind them.
Colour issues in dogs is not a pure and simple thing. There are many factors to consider with wrong colours other than merely considering being off on a tangent from a breed standard in regard to colour.

jrsygal37 12-09-2007 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 1594440)
That's what responsible breeders do, place dogs that for whatever reason don't fit into their breeding program into loving forever homes after they have been spayed or neutered. I'm not familiar with Yorkie breeders, but reputable Maltese breeders place their retirees for the cost of spaying/neutering, updating vaccinations, and a dental.

I don't know how many litters this girl has had, but I'd love to see her retired and no longer have to "produce".
:thumbup: Good Post Ladymom. Elaine

yorkiekist 12-09-2007 08:05 PM
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Lorraine 12-09-2007 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by jrsygal37 (Post 1594425)
I think everyone's is wasting their breath posting about right or wrong. This woman is after one thing and one thing only. The almighty dollar. She's already defended debarking by inserting a link to a site that defends it. She's already made it clear that this girl is a potential money maker because after all she's been her best producer. She has no concern that "Her Favorite" girl will end up in the hands of a puppymill or byb. This is obvious in her advertising her as a good producer. If this is her favorite I'd certainly hate to see her least favorite. Just my .02 and if this post is not acceptable sorry but I'm so fed up with people. E.
It is never wasting time or breath to post to defend this poor little Yorkie and in her best interest I hope we have appealed for the owner to do the right thing, spay her and choose a great home for her.
And I guess we all learned what is looks and sounds like for a breeder to not have the best interest of the dog at heart.

YorkieShadow 12-09-2007 08:09 PM
Shes a beautiful girl, I hope she finds her forever loving home, It just breaks my heart that some one debarked her , Thats just cruel .

daisy mae06 12-09-2007 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 1594440)
That's what responsible breeders do, place dogs that for whatever reason don't fit into their breeding program into loving forever homes after they have been spayed or neutered. I'm not familiar with Yorkie breeders, but reputable Maltese breeders place their retirees for the cost of spaying/neutering, updating vaccinations, and a dental.

I don't know how many litters this girl has had, but I'd love to see her retired and no longer have to "produce".
:goodpost: I was not going to post on this thread.... but I want to say I REALLY agree with this post good posting.

Pinehaven 12-09-2007 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 1594403)
The Yorkie does not carry the gene for tri colour according to the parent club and it is mostly believed a cross occured.
Chocolate, gold (running gold so much into the blue it looks gold) are carried in the genes of the YOrkie.
They are wrong colour however and as such, not something that should be endeavoured to breed for.
Breed standards for the purebreds exist for a reason regardless of the breed you are talking about. Some colours are not acceptable in some breeds although they may genetically carry the colour. It isn't a new concept.
IMO, breeding for the 'rare' and wrong colours ran rampant when it was discovered much higher prices would be paid for producing wrong colours. It isn't for the betterment of the breed, it is for the filling of the pocket book and also because the world of the purebred dog and the breed standards concept is not understood by those that perpetuate dogs that are not being bred towards the standards.
Argue all you wish, that is my opinion and hopefully, others will think about it if nothing else.
Because the Parent club "SAYS" the yorkie does not carry the gene for tri color, doesn't mean that they don't. No one can take something that is and Will or Wish it to not be?

Off colors have been appearing in the breed since the beginning of the breed and they continue to be showing up in all the time, coming from many different lines. This breed was started by many different breeds of dogs. Dogs with no pedigrees or traceable bloodlines, dogs who ran freely and did what they wanted to do with whatever dog they wanted to do it with. And if people can't understand WHY or WHERE these recessive genes came from in our dogs, than I really feel sorry for them.

My Parti yorkies are PUREBRED, AKC registered and DNA'd and just because your (general your) dogs look blue and tan doesn't mean that they are not carrying recessive genes for producing off colors when bred to another carrier - it just means that the genes are hidden in that dog (for the time being). Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there.

As for standards, we've seen standards change over the years and I'm sure they'll continue to change in the future.

Pinehaven 12-09-2007 08:26 PM
This was supposed to be just a nice little classified post ...

Thank you to those who had kind words about Tasha, she is a very sweet girl and she has found a home close to me, with someone I know, where I can keep in touch and visit.

I realize and respect others opinions and I've seen a lot of nastiness in some of the forums but it's a shame to see so many negative, misconstrewed and twisted replies in the YT classified forum.

There are some who apparently have to judge, complain, find fault and attack everything - when actually, the only ones they should worry about, find fault with and judge is themselves.

Good night.

Lorraine 12-09-2007 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 1594515)
This was supposed to be just a nice little classified post ...

Thank you to those who had kind words about Tasha, she is a very sweet girl and she has found a home close to me, with someone I know, where I can keep in touch and visit.

I realize and respect others opinions and I've seen a lot of nastiness in some of the forums but it's a shame to see so many negative, misconstrewed and twisted replies in the YT classified forum.

There are some who apparently have to judge, complain, find fault and attack everything - when actually, the only ones they should worry about, find fault with and judge is themselves.

Good night.
I always find it interesting when constructive opinions in the best interest of a living creature is construed as judgements. I have always found it to be the first argument of someone perhaps feeling a little guilty?
There apparently is a legend, First Nations legend I have been told, that at Heaven's Gate are the dogs that have gone before us that while they were on earth had been in the charge of the now departed . Depending on how the dog was treated by its master on earth will determine if the dog will allow the departed into Heaven.
Nice legend, wish it were true. Maybe it is.

MyFairLacy 12-09-2007 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 1594440)
That's what responsible breeders do, place dogs that for whatever reason don't fit into their breeding program into loving forever homes after they have been spayed or neutered. I'm not familiar with Yorkie breeders, but reputable Maltese breeders place their retirees for the cost of spaying/neutering, updating vaccinations, and a dental.

I don't know how many litters this girl has had, but I'd love to see her retired and no longer have to "produce".
I agree. I know several breeders have to eventually place their retired show/breeding dogs into pet homes or they'd have too many dogs. So placing her in a home because she doesn't meet your breeding program goals anymore is understandable. But reputable breeders always spay and neuter their retired dogs before placing them into pet homes...they don't sell them off to someone to continue being bred. If she doesn't meet YOUR breeding goals, why should she meet someone elses? I think it's odd too that she was bought as a pet for a military family and then you bought her from them and then decided to start breeding her...buying a pet quality yorkie and then breeding it doesn't seem to further any kind of breeding goals in my opinion. I also think it's sad that she's been debarked...that is one procedure that I will NEVER do as a vet...unnecessary and cruel. I just wish you'd have this poor girl spayed before you place her so she doesn't continue to be bred by someone

kalina82 12-10-2007 04:14 AM
i love how the only comments you made once people started questioning your reasons for selling her were about her color. what about your comments about her being your 'best producer' and why you think debarking is ok? i was more concerned over the well being of the dog, then the color, but you chose to ignore those questions.

glad she found a home. she is beautiful. she is also a dog and a pet, not a producer and i hope her new home see's her as a beautiful new pet....not $$$$

Sugar's Mom 12-10-2007 05:19 AM
I wasn't going to post either but you all know how I can get. The only thing I will say is I felt such pain for this beautiful girl and the ridiculous price of a 3 yr old girl being bounced around all over the place and placed with the highest bidder to spend her life having one litter after another. My girls are spayed when they leave me , IF they leave me.

Gazou 12-10-2007 05:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 1594620)
I always find it interesting when constructive opinions in the best interest of a living creature is construed as judgements. I have always found it to be the first argument of someone perhaps feeling a little guilty?
There apparently is a legend, First Nations legend I have been told, that at Heaven's Gate are the dogs that have gone before us that while they were on earth had been in the charge of the now departed . Depending on how the dog was treated by its master on earth will determine if the dog will allow the departed into Heaven.
Nice legend, wish it were true. Maybe it is.
I really loved this legend .

cutiepieyorkies 12-10-2007 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Lorraine (Post 1594403)
The Yorkie does not carry the gene for tri colour according to the parent club and it is mostly believed a cross occured.
Chocolate, gold (running gold so much into the blue it looks gold) are carried in the genes of the YOrkie.
They are wrong colour however and as such, not something that should be endeavoured to breed for.
Breed standards for the purebreds exist for a reason regardless of the breed you are talking about. Some colours are not acceptable in some breeds although they may genetically carry the colour. It isn't a new concept.
IMO, breeding for the 'rare' and wrong colours ran rampant when it was discovered much higher prices would be paid for producing wrong colours. It isn't for the betterment of the breed, it is for the filling of the pocket book and also because the world of the purebred dog and the breed standards concept is not understood by those that perpetuate dogs that are not being bred towards the standards.
Argue all you wish, that is my opinion and hopefully, others will think about it if nothing else.


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