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MyFairLacy 03-20-2008 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1864153)
LOL...I wish I had gotten involved in showing alot earlier than I have. Chalking still goes on and nothing is said, I see it all the time and the black eye liner that is used on the s**tz Shues ( I can't spell that breed LOL ) around the top knot to enhance the black that is on some of them. The Bichons that are chalked with white and the maltese and the list goes on and it seems the the yorkie exhibitors are always getting the shaft when someone colors their dog....I can't stress enough that health, structure and movement should be the #1 concern and not the enhancements that are made on a lot of breeds. I'm now off my soap box! LOL....
Shih-tzu, Donna, Shih-tzu :p Now THAT is a topknot!! I love their hairdo

blitz 03-21-2008 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1863637)
Dyeing a yorkie is wrong but I wouldn't say it's unethical at least it's not a health issue or a crippled rear, bad front and bad top line. I'd rather see a dyed yorkie in the ring vs. one with a crippled rear like I see alot in the ring LOL...it's like taking a yorkie that is oversized or ears out to the side of it's head, bad bites, none of that should be taken in the ring and I see that all the time. If I'm beat by a dyed yorkie I wouldn't think twice but if I get beat by a dog with a bad top line or a crippled rear then I have a problem LOL. It's all wrong but it happens and unfornuately it's gonna continue.
JMHO
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I so agree. Can't put coat color over structure and can't throw out an excellent dog if it's coat color doesn't measure up to some color that nobody can agree on anyway! Look at the entries in the ring and see how many different colors they all are.

It's a fact that most showdogs are enhanced in some way and the coated breeds especially. It's not going to change. When I first went to dog shows, I was shocked because I thought it wasn't allowed but the hairspray, chalk, dyes, etc. are flying under every grooming tent. So where do you draw the line? If you put gel or spray in your dog's topknot, or flat iron them or even use finishing spray, you're as guilty of enhancing your dog as if you dyed his coat.

That's the dog show game, full of hypocrisy and politics but you can win if you get a good enough dog and I when I go to a show, I don't go for the fun of it. I intend to win. Of course, it doesn't always happen but it's not because my dog isn't professionally represented.

Brooklynn 03-21-2008 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1864288)
Shih-tzu, Donna, Shih-tzu :p Now THAT is a topknot!! I love their hairdo
Thank you Michelle! I can never remember how to spell it LOL...and they do have a top knot LOL! I will learn that one day!

Brooklynn 03-21-2008 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by blitz (Post 1864688)
:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

I so agree. Can't put coat color over structure and can't throw out an excellent dog if it's coat color doesn't measure up to some color that nobody can agree on anyway! Look at the entries in the ring and see how many different colors they all are.

It's a fact that most showdogs are enhanced in some way and the coated breeds especially. It's not going to change. When I first went to dog shows, I was shocked because I thought it wasn't allowed but the hairspray, chalk, dyes, etc. are flying under every grooming tent. So where do you draw the line? If you put gel or spray in your dog's topknot, or flat iron them or even use finishing spray, you're as guilty of enhancing your dog as if you dyed his coat.

That's the dog show game, full of hypocrisy and politics but you can win if you get a good enough dog and I when I go to a show, I don't go for the fun of it. I intend to win. Of course, it doesn't always happen but it's not because my dog isn't professionally represented.
Well I have to disagree on one thing...LOL...I do do it for fun but I also do it to win ROFL! hehehehehe

bjh 03-21-2008 06:53 AM
I have heard that the international show are more strict when it comes to dyeing but that is still goes on there. Are the international shows as political as the ones in the U.S.?

Brooklynn 03-21-2008 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1864820)
I have heard that the international show are more strict when it comes to dyeing but that is still goes on there. Are the international shows as political as the ones in the U.S.?
I have no clue or answers for international shows. But I'm guessing politics are politics no matter what country you show in...

Donna

PrestigeousYT 03-21-2008 09:05 AM
When I first started showing, the breeder told me to color my girl so I did and at the show the next day I must have done a great job because she yelled out loud yes everyone looked and looked and I was terribly embarassed, she yelled out loud she looks so much darker than I remember. Yep the same person that told me to do it then did that to me and it was her breeding I was trying to show to win and I was showing against her that day. But anyways the girl didn't like to show and would not walk when in the ring so it didn't matter
I don't like the dying the hair etc. It makes it hard when you are looking for a stud or a line to add to your program and you don't know for sure if that is indeed the true color of the dog or not.
It is a jungle out there LOL

Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

Yelena 03-24-2008 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1864820)
I have heard that the international show are more strict when it comes to dyeing but that is still goes on there. Are the international shows as political as the ones in the U.S.?
You must be kidding!! In Europe everything is MUCH MORE "political"!
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About dyeing!
I was told that only in Finland almost all winners has to submit hair sample for testing. Other than that they are doing the same.

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BTW It would be nice to find out what people mean by "dyeing".
Is using "Color Enhancing Botanical Conditioner" considering dyeing?

PrestigeousYT 03-24-2008 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Yelena (Post 1871554)
You must be kidding!! In Europe everything is MUCH MORE "political"!
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About dyeing!
I was told that only in Finland almost all winners has to submit hair sample for testing. Other than that they are doing the same.

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BTW It would be nice to find out what people mean by "dyeing".
Is using "Color Enhancing Botanical Conditioner" considering dyeing?
THey use it all, I have even seen them put eye liner on a Yorkie at a show in VA, my daughter was younger and she was like MOM did you see that?
LOL of course they realized that people were starting to watch and made sure to block what they were doing it was utterly ridicolous in my opinion.
If your dog doesn't have nice eye liner it just doesn't, I just can't get into the mind set of putting eyeliner on a dog.


Deana
Prestigeous Yorkies

Brooklynn 03-24-2008 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Yelena (Post 1871554)
You must be kidding!! In Europe everything is MUCH MORE "political"!
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About dyeing!
I was told that only in Finland almost all winners has to submit hair sample for testing. Other than that they are doing the same.

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BTW It would be nice to find out what people mean by "dyeing".
Is using "Color Enhancing Botanical Conditioner" considering dyeing?
I'm guessing when people say dye they mean enhancing...black rage is just a temorary rinse that comes out the next time you wash your hair and I know some that use #1 All Systems red/brown conditionar to enhance the gold so it's all considered what I call dyeing but it's all just enhancing JMHO :)

Yelena 03-24-2008 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1871585)
I'm guessing when people say dye they mean enhancing...
The problem is
there are not to many products like "Color Enhancing" are available in Europe.
I heart that even if they buy product like #1 All Systems in Europe the next wash the color becoming greenish, meaning they are using fake products.
So they are trying to use something other than just "Color Enhancing"

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Am I saying 2 much?:confused:

Ladyhawk 03-24-2008 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1864820)
I have heard that the international show are more strict when it comes to dyeing but that is still goes on there. Are the international shows as political as the ones in the U.S.?
I don't know if they are as political but I was told by Arlene the founder of Pure Paws that her team has found that the AKC championship is the most difficult title in the world to obtain and is therefore the most coveted. I got to work with her team for a couple of days this weekend and I saw alot of cool stuff. The enhancements on all different breeds are incredible but some of the things that they do with the poodles, wow!! I thought they only did hair extentions in the salon! Alot of these groomers are just as talented at hairstyling as the stylists that I used to attend shows and competitions with. If you ever get a chance to meet anyone on the Pure Paws team take it, they are just the nicest people.

bjh 03-24-2008 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladyhawk (Post 1871639)
I don't know if they are as political but I was told by Arlene the founder of Pure Paws that her team has found that the AKC championship is the most difficult title in the world to obtain and is therefore the most coveted. I got to work with her team for a couple of days this weekend and I saw alot of cool stuff. The enhancements on all different breeds are incredible but some of the things that they do with the poodles, wow!! I thought they only did hair extentions in the salon! Alot of these groomers are just as talented at hairstyling as the stylists that I used to attend shows and competitions with. If you ever get a chance to meet anyone on the Pure Paws team take it, they are just the nicest people.
Very interesting information, thanks for sharing. I would love to go to a international show or benched show someday.

Brooklynn 03-24-2008 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Yelena (Post 1871623)
The problem is
there are not to many products like "Color Enhancing" are available in Europe.
I heart that even if they buy product like #1 All Systems in Europe the next wash the color becoming greenish, meaning they are using fake products.
So they are trying to use something other than just "Color Enhancing"

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Am I saying 2 much?:confused:
I don't think you are saying too much all I know of is about the black rage and chocolate kiss and the all systems enhancers. I don't know about any other products. Knowing me I'd mess things up if I ever tried it lol

Brooklynn 03-24-2008 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1871704)
Very interesting information, thanks for sharing. I would love to go to a international show or benched show someday.
There is only 2 benched shows that I know of in the US and I don't care for them LOL...Westminster is a long show from morning till evening...

bjh 03-24-2008 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1872111)
There is only 2 benched shows that I know of in the US and I don't care for them LOL...Westminster is a long show from morning till evening...
I keep hearing about some show that is once a year I think around the Austin area where international judges come and you can get a international championship on your dog. Do you know anything about that and have you ever been to it?

MyFairLacy 03-24-2008 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1872135)
I keep hearing about some show that is once a year I think around the Austin area where international judges come and you can get a international championship on your dog. Do you know anything about that and have you ever been to it?
There is an IABCA show in Hutto, TX June 28-29. http://www.iabca.com/calendar.html

Yelena 03-24-2008 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1872108)
I don't think you are saying too much all I know of is about the black rage and chocolate kiss and the all systems enhancers. I don't know about any other products. Knowing me I'd mess things up if I ever tried it lol
Thank you for your honesty!!!
Brooklynn
Now I have one more question!! How can everyone agree, that US has the BEST dogs, but according to "SWEETY BLUE TOP 20 bereeders" (http://www.sweetyblue.com/sweety/Pri...Breeders07.asp ) the first american breeder is #4...
what is going on?

bjh 03-24-2008 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by MyFairLacy (Post 1872276)
There is an IABCA show in Hutto, TX June 28-29. http://www.iabca.com/calendar.html
Yes, that is the show I have heard about. I have heard from several people that it is a fun show to go to. Thanks for the info.

bjh 03-25-2008 11:16 AM
I've been thinking and
 
The more I hear about all this 'enhancing' the more disappointed I feel. I know it goes on but I feel that is very sad in the fact when you look at a beautiful Yorkie you really don't know if the colors are real. I used at admire Yorkies with beautiful rich gold and now I am finding out that many are 'enhanced' to just make them appear to have the correct color. When I hear of someone being disqualified because their dog is too light, well, the next time that dog goes in the ring it might be the correct color or any white it might have on its chest or chin could just be covered up. It appears that the lighter dogs are easier to correct than a nice darker dog that just might not be breaking or clearing until later. When you see a beautiful dog you wonder 'is it natural or just a great dye job'. I know if I am going to show and be competitive then I better get used to it and maybe start learning some of the 'tricks of the trade'. In fact, this thread has been informative and I think I know some of the 'tricks' now. Thank you all so much!

Brooklynn 03-25-2008 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1873854)
The more I hear about all this 'enhancing' the more disappointed I feel. I know it goes on but I feel that is very sad in the fact when you look at a beautiful Yorkie you really don't know if the colors are real. I used at admire Yorkies with beautiful rich gold and now I am finding out that many are 'enhanced' to just make them appear to have the correct color. When I hear of someone being disqualified because their dog is too light, well, the next time that dog goes in the ring it might be the correct color or any white it might have on its chest or chin could just be covered up. It appears that the lighter dogs are easier to correct than a nice darker dog that just might not be breaking or clearing until later. When you see a beautiful dog you wonder 'is it natural or just a great dye job'. I know if I am going to show and be competitive then I better get used to it and maybe start learning some of the 'tricks of the trade'. In fact, this thread has been informative and I think I know some of the 'tricks' now. Thank you all so much!
Have you ever considered changing breeds to show? Find a breed that won't involve ehancing.....maybe a black lab or a golden retriever because I don't find many breeds that people don't enhance....even beagles have to be chalked or bichons being chalked the list goes on...sorry Barb but any breed you get into with the exception of a one color dark breed it's gonna go on.

bjh 03-25-2008 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1873997)
Have you ever considered changing breeds to show? Find a breed that won't involve ehancing.....maybe a black lab or a golden retriever because I don't find many breeds that people don't enhance....even beagles have to be chalked or bichons being chalked the list goes on...sorry Barb but any breed you get into with the exception of a one color dark breed it's gonna go on.
I did show St. Bernards and we did finish one champion, all owner handled, it took 19 bitches for a major back then. I know even with the St. Bernards some people would use white chalk to cover the black freckles that were considered undesirable. It is one thing using white chalk to brighten the white but using a enhancer or dye to completely change the color is not right whether everybody does it or not. If everyone thought it was okay to do that to Yorkies then why have a color requirements in the standard and why does the YTCA have it in the code of ethics that it is wrong to do? My goal will be to breed Yorkies with the correct color and if they cannot win on their own true merits then so be it. I just could not get any satisfaction knowing that I won by cheating. JMHO

Brooklynn 03-25-2008 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1874131)
I did show St. Bernards and we did finish one champion, all owner handled, it took 19 bitches for a major back then. I know even with the St. Bernards some people would use white chalk to cover the black freckles that were considered undesirable. It is one thing using white chalk to brighten the white but using a enhancer or dye to completely change the color is not right whether everybody does it or not. If everyone thought it was okay to do that to Yorkies then why have a color requirements in the standard and why does the YTCA have it in the code of ethics that it is wrong to do? My goal will be to breed Yorkies with the correct color and if they cannot win on their own true merits then so be it. I just could not get any satisfaction knowing that I won by cheating. JMHO
Good for you :)
But sorry to say yorkies aren't the only ones winning that way...maltese, bichons are bleached, poodles have extentions, shih tzus have eyeliners on their heads and the list goes on....I just wish the yorkie exhibitors just weren't chastised so badly when it's done in so many other breeds....that's the sad part...I just wish health and soundness were of more concern than enhancements :( JMHO

Donna

bjh 03-25-2008 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 1874146)
Good for you :)
But sorry to say yorkies aren't the only ones winning that way...maltese, bichons are bleached, poodles have extentions, shih tzus have eyeliners on their heads and the list goes on....I just wish the yorkie exhibitors just weren't chastised so badly when it's done in so many other breeds....that's the sad part...I just wish health and soundness were of more concern than enhancements :( JMHO

Donna
:thumbup: Exactly, health and soundness should always be first. Correct color is icing on the cake.

Yelena 03-25-2008 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1873854)
The more I hear about all this 'enhancing' the more disappointed I feel. I know it goes on but I feel that is very sad in the fact when you look at a beautiful Yorkie you really don't know if the colors are real.
Do you like to look at the mirror when you wake up?...
I think Yorkie more like people beauty contest! You HAVE to have the potential, but you may need to help Urself a bit...

bjh 03-25-2008 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Yelena (Post 1874555)
Do you like to look at the mirror when you wake up?...
I think Yorkie more like people beauty contest! You HAVE to have the potential, but you may need to help Urself a bit...
Actually, I never wear makeup, it makes my face feel dirty. So to answer your question, yes I like me the way I am, just a natural country lady. Nothing artificial.

Brooklynn 03-25-2008 03:46 PM
Oh MY Gosh I'd scare someone if I didn't have make up on LOL LOL!

Yelena 03-25-2008 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 1874566)
Actually, I never wear makeup, it makes my face feel dirty. So to answer your question, yes I like me the way I am, just a natural country lady. Nothing artificial.
Cool!! :thumbup:
Good for you!!
But have you ever try to be in a "Beauty contest" in NATURAL!?
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bjh 03-25-2008 06:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Yelena (Post 1874922)
Cool!! :thumbup:
Good for you!!
But have you ever try to be in a "Beauty contest" in NATURAL!?
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Hey, I know I am not show quality hehe. I think a 'natural' beauty contest would be cool.

Ladyhawk 03-25-2008 06:28 PM
I don't have the skin for natural, makeup is my friend! I saw them put eye liner on a Chi and color enhance it's white. It didn't change it's look dramatically, just sharpened it up. Now some of the tricks to hide bad fronts and rears, etc. now that's a shame!


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