First and foremost, dear.. I did not make fun of you. I simply stated my opinion of your plan.. completely honestly. If you don't like honesty.. well I'm sorry.

I'm now going to address some of your quotes:

husband loves the breed and we need some hobbies when he retires/never would I breed for profit / only for pleasure and to produce beautiful pups for good homes . and I would charge ALOT of money for them to weed out riff raff. See... I have a plan. Then after say two litters spaced out/ retire my beautiful girl and we would have had the pleasure of baby yorkies!

At the last show I watched on TV, the Eukanuba one, the yorkie did not look all that good to me. I don't think it was TyAva's , as she has some good ones. [/COLOR]


Yes, the last Eukanuba you saw was won by Chandler, yes he IS Tyava, and was the #1 dog in the country for at least 2 years, I'm sorry that in your opinion he didn't look so good. I'm sure Ava will take that into consideration when choosing her next dog to take the country by storm.


All I am saying is if I choose to buy breeding stock I will go for the best I can afford and if that means going overseas so be it. Unless one of you guys will sell me what I want without strings attached.

Again...WHY would anyone sell 20-30+ years of their blood sweat and tears so you can have a few puppies, which you are going to sell for A LOT of money to weed out the riff raff of course. That's why strings exist!

And finally you could have found a little girl JUST LIKE yours, if not even better quality AS A SPAYED PET from any of the breeders of the lines in North America that went into the making of your dog. You just chose to circumvent that so you had no strings attached.

Again, I am not making fun of you.. I'm telling you how it is. You don't know near enough about the breed to go smacking two dogs together and popping out puppies, you have no respect for those who take this VERY Seriously or you would never even consider your "plan" to circumvent them and get your "high quality" (thanks to them!) breeding stock to breed your puppies from.

I'm done now, people like you who think they know everything are beyond reasoning with. It is thanks to so many like minded people that yorkies are quickly going to hell in a handbasket. Yorkie rescues are going to be hopping in the next few years, and it breaks my heart to see this happen to this breed I love so deeply.

if the American way is to buy yorkies with what you think is good European lines behind them without knowing anything really about them, so you can bang out puppies with no interest in showing a Yorkie, knowing the breed standard and what makes an outstanding yorkie, outstanding, so you can sell maybe to alleged what you call important serious breeders on this site, then I guess you have totally tipped your hand as to what you are about. Why in the world would a reputable show breeder in Canada or the US want to sell you something to cache in on their lines?
Does this not seem obvious to you?
By the way, breeding two champion sired dogs to each other is not going to produce champions just like that. If you are lucky you may get one show pup in a litter, occasionally two, sometimes none. You have to have the experience and knowledge of what you are looking at to discern what you have produced and then you have to keep re evaluating those puppies as they age and mature. Some lines don't click together, others do, a lot of try and try something else if it doesn't work out to what you want assuming you know what you are looking at.
There are far too many who don't want to show but just want to have their special puppies that end up barely looking like Yorkies because the breeder has no idea what they are doing nor do they realize what they see as a cute pup may not be a very cute adult.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Bet if this is the american way, Lorraine you're darn glad you live in Canada, huh? Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!

I agree with Laurie.
Nobody wants to learn and grow. They want good lines so they can sell pet pups for more money or show dogs usually without barely producing one themselves or if they have, only one or two int he pedigree has the sellers kennel name, the rest of the pedigree is all the outstanding name kennels they got their hands on one way or another either through the backdoor or convincing some well known breeder tehy are sincere when in fact they are not
There is a way to know if you can trust someone or not but you would have to know their life and listen and watch for the red flags, they are always there. I am talking about leading an ethical life as ethics cannot be taught, it comes from within. You find a newcomer with an ethical life, you can trust them. Good luck however, finding them.
There are so many red flags on this forum, it looks like a poppy field.

Lucky us, we got 'em here too, sigh.......................................

BTW for anyone that is interested, you can't buy a 10 or 12 week old show quality Yorkie pup. At 7 or 8 months they are still a show potential. Be careful where and to whom you are forking over your money to what can easily turn out to be a poor quality pet when you thought you were buying a show dog.

You know I have campaigned Radar this past year and yes it cost me a "bunch" of money....I just enjoy showing more so than breeding and if I decided tomorrow to bring him home and neuter him and be a pet that's what I'd do. I'm not interested in producing show dogs for others only for myself. I just want to show my dogs and work hard at perserving our wonderful breed. I campaigned Cammie and again cost me a small fortune, she had one litter and she's spayed. Both of her puppies will never reproduce because one is in a pet home spayed and Molly will be spayed in a couple of weeks. And when the next special yorkie comes along I'll campaign them and will probably cost me another small fortune and I might do the same thing spay/neuter and place. I'd rather show than breed actually.

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

I have known people that feel that way and gosh you should think about maybe offering to do some handling as there are people who would like their dogs in the ring but can't show them themselves for one reason or another, hard to find good handlers that are also kind to the dog and don't take on a bunch of clients at once.
Think about it anyway.

OK, when someone makes comments directed at comments made with a big ole LOL attached, is that not making fun. So it hurt my feelings.

I NEVER said I thought i knew it all about yorkies. I have been onthe site lurking/ reading comments made by you folks , whom I consider the authorities, for about 2 yrs now. I am a very scientific person. I am obsessed with yorkies,I don't have a mentor. I only have the internet and so it seems to me that the best way to preserve/ protect the breed if I choose to have a few litters is to buy the best stock I CAN possibly get. Would any of you disagree with that statement? Isn't that what you do? you don;t get one good sire and breeds to inferior dams just to see if by a miracle you can get a great pup out of it.

And no... I tried to get my girl from NA and was shut out. I was placed on waiting lists.
I was asked for thousands of dollars and then told I could not breed . (And I wanted a small puppy, with absolutely no intention of breeding).

My point is, how can you say I will harm the breed? My intention of charging alot for a pup does in itself protect from harm.

Was embarassed that I said
Chandler didn;t look so good at
Eukanuba. oops..but see, I am not trying to break into your sport of showing. i just admire the breed for its many variables and the magic that occurs when all the variables come together to produce a truly magnificent yorkie. I have watched the video of Westminister last yr a dozen times. So beautiful and elegant.

So what is so wrong with my plan for eeking out some happiness that involves baby yorkies? I can 't see why you are expecting me to start at the bottom with some inferior stock as some kind of paying your dues thing. It is a free world and people do get what they want sometimes, even if it is not under your control.

I do apologize if I have offended but I see no other way to
obtain my goals but to circumvent NA Breeders who have closed ranks somewhat. I know you mean well, but be assured I do not intend to do anything to harm the yorkie gene pool.

My question is if you desire to breed superior quality why not show? You will definitely need education to reach your goal and showing is an excellent form of education. Why not have your stock evaluated by someone who knows alot more about the breed then you do? Why not find a mentor who can teach you the ropes and get you started on the right foot? How will you know a superior dog when you see it? There is so much to learn about the correct physical attributes of a good yorkie that it takes years and years to develop an eye for a dog. It takes years to study the different lines so that you can know who has the substance that you like, the coat texture that you want to breed, the color that holds over time, the movement that gives you a thrill. If you don't know all of these things you won't know what to put together to produce what you want. If you don't have a good chance of producing your goal than you are just making more pets for your own enjoyment. Is it fair to put your bitch in harm's way just because you think it would be fun to have a litter of pups? These are important questions that you have to ask yourself.

You know Lorraine that's what I'd really like to do one day! I've thought about it alot lately because I love showing our beautiful breed! I have only a few yorkies and maybe have one litter a year if that! I didn't even have a litter this year and don't see a litter next year either. You see, I don't just breed to breed my passion lies within showing a beautifully healthy the best representation of the breed I can. I love my dogs more than life itself and if hubby were to tell me it's him or the dogs guess where he'd be? You got it the yorkies would share the house with me LOL...
So, if anyone tells me I don't have ethics or love for this breed they don't know me that well. I listen to my mentors and yes I believe I have wonderful mentors! I don't do anything without their advice or direction. I was involved in horses way before I got into dogs and I was actually good with horses and did very well! I take what I do VERY seriously and I take this fancy very seriously! Again, if anyone tries to tell me or others differently then maybe they need to get to know me better :) My mentor here in Texas has been doing this for over 20 years and without her I wouldn't be doing this and now I have another mentor and have been lucky enough to learn even more. I want to continue to learn about this wonderful breed because my love for the yorkie is my passion.
I would love to show others yorkies I would be in heaven :) (but one at a time) LOL

Donna Bird
Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers

Donna, I say if you want to be a handler, go for it!!

Good Morning Tami,
Thank you so much for your kind and thoughful response.
I agree that I have a knowledge deficit regarding the specifics of what makes up a superior yorkie. But I am very willing to study / learn do what it takes to obtain this knowledge. I just happen to live in a little icky town in Alabama . There are no show breeders here. I plan to retire in Florida and there may be better luck there, but
I can see that they dogs that you guys post pictures of are very nice specimens of the breed, I can't describe that in technical terms yet , but you know what I mean, a dog that is well put together is obvious compared to a "yorkieish" dog (which was what I was offered two yrs ago when I was shopping). I want to learn more, we are
a couple of yrs away from retirement and I plan on going to shows . If Hubby will let me, I am going to new york in Feb. I know RADAR will be there and I would looooove to get a close up look at his fabulous self!! What an honor to be invited to show there. His mommy must be bursting with pride!! I have a question, are only the show dogs allowed in the Gardens? I hate to leave Gia at home. She goes everywhere with me.
Anyhow, do you have any suggestion regarding a book
about specific characteristics of yorkies, ie; measurements/.bone structure/length of snout/etc. you know, stuff the judges are looking for? I have Yorkies for Dummies already.... he he......Becki thinks I need that one...... As far as showing, I can't get Gia to even let me brush her teeth. I haven't told her "no" more than a few times... ok, she is a spoiled princess. Might be better for me to watch that part.
ps. I went back to the LBV site and do they look a little taller in the front than the back to you? Was that what Becki was referring to as a "bad front" . It could be just the angle of the photo, but they did look a little bit off .
What is your professional opinion of the LBV Halston? He certainly had a couple of good titles under his belt.

Tami - that is exactly what I was thinking about to tell her. It makes me so angry when people want to breed only and not show. They do not understand how much more you learn at a show. You have to see them move and see a yorkie up close and touch them to realize how good or not they are. Also the lessons one learns at a show are so valuable. You meet others - you talk and learn. It is not gossip I am talking about - but talking about the standard, judges, comparison, topics from articles one just read - conversing for educating ones self. Also at shows they do have seminars - very interesting ones. One such topic was on genetics. I think if one only wants to breed and not go to show - they are not truly into what is best for the breed. They just want puppies! Becki has made some good points as well as the others. We are here trying to educate. Why - because we truly care about the breed. If you want to do it right - there are no short cuts. Yes, it is important to start off with the best you can get - we all would agree with that, but our goal is not puppies - but the enjoyment and pride we take when our dogs win at shows, the friendship we make, and the knowing that we are hopfully making a difference. I too have thought many times in leaving YT for all the things I see and hear going on, but if I did would I really be helping the breed. No, maybe we cannot convience everyone, but maybe one person by one we can educate about our breed, its standard, and ethics. If we left and said nothing - people would just think it was normal and okay to do things the wrong way and how would our breed be in the future?

Laurie - I am so sorry people have hurt you and made you feel like everyone in the world has bad intentions, but this is not true. There are some people out there that do care and do follow contracts, and will do what needs to be done to help protect the breed. It has to be true. I met some that do care. And they are not lying just to get what they want. But you are right - it is hard to tell these days.And you have every right to only bred for yourself. I just hate that you feel so bad. I met a woman one day that would not leave her home and when I asked her why - she said it was too tough out there in the real world - no one cares about other people and they are so selfish and cruel. I left feeling so sorry for her and nothing I said seem to convence her, so she continued to stay in her home. But look at everything she was missing out in, because of her not trying to open up and trust some people. She was missing seeing a rainbow that showed up behind the cherry blossom trees in full bloom at her city park one day, and seeing children play, and seeing a field of horses running, which was also in her town and more that we cherish. Great things were just around her corner from her home, but she missed out because she would not leave her home. Also other people missed out getting to know her. I was talking to me husband how sad it was. Yes, some people are cruel and selfish, but that does not mean everyone is that way.

The book I think is best out there is The Complete Yorkshire Terrierby Gordon and Bennett (they are the Wildweir girls). Infact in the past just about any yokie in the US had Wildweir in them.

There are shows in Alabama, actually guite a few. I have been to them showing. Montegomery, Birmingham, Priceville, to name a few.

Florida - has a ton of shows and two yt clubs (Central and Goldcoast - in the south).

While you are in NY - don't forget the Speciality (not just go to Westminster).

Photos are hard to tell from, since the handler can be holding them a certain way to make them look better.