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Chanelie · 07-15-2011, 01:04 PM

CJ125--I was just expressing my opinion. I hope that you or anyone else does not take offense to it.

My dogs all come from very reputable breeders in the Yorkie world--2 of them are directly from Canada. I don't want to start a "my dog is better than yours" debate because that is silly and not what this is about.

Long story short, I've been in and out of the ring for the past 40 years with various breeds of dogs (not Yorkies). I've been lucky enough to produce and handle some amazing dogs that have done extremely well in AKC shows. I know enough about dogs to know what a well-moving dog looks like of any breed.

I retired from showing dogs 10 years ago because the travel and physical demands (getting old isn't for sissies) but I still go to a show here and there to see what is out there.

I've been attending the National and regional in NYC for the past 5 years and have had the pleasure to see some breathtaking Yorkies.

To address your points:

"Every judge seems to have their own idea of what they think a breed should look like while staying within the breed description. I think this is true of any sport."

Yes, this is true however when there is no consistency in the judging it makes one wonder if the judge really has a type he is looking for.

Once again you're using a video to evaluate a dog - not very accurate if you ask me. Even watching from the sideline doesn't always give you an accurate picture of these dogs walking. That's why judges have them walk together and then seperately.

I have seen the dog 2 years in a row at NY and even at the last National in February. I am not saying he moves bad all the time but watching the Westminster video I was appalled. There were so many nice dogs in that ring that moved much better than he did that day. Tha'ts all I am saying.

Topline is second to coat? I have to disagree with that. Topline is more important than coat. While coat color is important it is NO where near as important as structure. The color of their coat and even texture has been somewhat hard to achieve consistantly and what I would call cosmetic while topline (structure) is essential.

I too agree, but according to the standard the coat is "of prime importance." I'd take structure over coat any day of the week but alas, I did not write the standard.

All I am saying is that I don't see the hype about the dog that is idolized on this board. Sure, it is a nice dog but there are definitely some better dogs out there that are unsung by the show people on here. After all, I guess it is just the YTers opinions on here and there don't seem to be too many people on here that show.

TexasKat08 · 07-15-2011, 02:58 PM

It's hard not to take offense when words like "appalled" and "shocked" and other very strong adjectives are thrown about. Perhaps another thread could be started wherein novice Yorkie wanna be judges & YT Newbie enthusiasts could express their concerns over the judging. I for one will leave it to the experts. It's disappointing that a rah rah thread took a turn. I came here today to get excited about more results for the people I love and respect on this forum and instead feel I like somebody just kicked me in the shins.

BTW, congratulations Thetis, Michele, Donna and Lorraine! Can't wait to see more results (AND PHOTOS)!!

Oh, just my 2 cents.

Chanelie · 07-15-2011, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasKat08

It's hard not to take offense when words like "appalled" and "shocked" and other very strong adjectives are thrown about. Perhaps another thread could be started wherein novice Yorkie wanna be judges & YT Newbie enthusiasts could express their concerns over the judging. I for one will leave it to the experts. It's disappointing that a rah rah thread took a turn. I came here today to get excited about more results for the people I love and respect on this forum and instead feel I like somebody just kicked me in the shins.

BTW, congratulations Thetis, Michele, Donna and Lorraine! Can't wait to see more results (AND PHOTOS)!!

Oh, just my 2 cents.

Uh-oh. Well, I am just stating it as I see it. I am not trying to start a war--we're talking dogs, not national debt here people. I just can't understand why it seems so many people on this board take things personally. There are no perfect dogs out there. Trust me on that one.

At any rate, I've said all I need to. Just doing my part to make sure the general public knows there are 2 sides to every story.

Oh, and btw TexasKate, I was previously licensed to judge 36 breeds including the Non-Sporting group.

tegamom1 · 07-15-2011, 03:18 PM

I started to respond to her comments earlier, but instead decided to just walk away...Comments like that are not worth a response.

Congratulations to all the winners...and to Lorraine who also took a Group 3 that day. Wish I had been there to celebrate with everyone.

TexasKat08 · 07-15-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tegamom1

I started to respond to her comments earlier, but instead decided to just walk away...Comments like that are not worth a response. I know, sometimes that biting the tongue thing doesn't come naturally for me.

Congratulations to all the winners...and to Lorraine who also took a Group 3 that day. Wish I had been there to celebrate with everyone.

Me too! Should have been there Wednesday, but life got in the way and I had to do something else, missing Thetis's big win, dang it!!

tegamom1 · 07-15-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasKat08

Me too! Should have been there Wednesday, but life got in the way and I had to do something else, missing Thetis's big win, dang it!!

You know, I have one of Thetis's puppies (I was told) hanging on my wall holding leads. Too cute!!

Ever since I had to cancel my reservations I've been having a pity party. Feel free to join me...lol

TxVicki · 07-15-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by tegamom1

I started to respond to her comments earlier, but instead decided to just walk away...Comments like that are not worth a response.

Congratulations to all the winners...and to Lorraine who also took a Group 3 that day. Wish I had been there to celebrate with everyone.

:thum bup:

TexasKat08 · 07-15-2011, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tegamom1

You know, I have one of Thetis's puppies (I was told) hanging on my wall holding leads. Too cute!!

Ever since I had to cancel my reservations I've been having a pity party. Feel free to join me...lol

I don't know what that means, "hanging on my wall . . ." but I only hope you mean a photo!

I have an actual puppy! And he is a half brother to her Nealstar's D'Light Her With Diamonds (his daddy is also Stratford's Diamond Jim)!

I'm definitely wallowing in my pity party tears!

tegamom1 · 07-15-2011, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasKat08

I don't know what that means, "hanging on my wall . . ." but I only hope you mean a photo!

I have an actual puppy! And he is a half brother to her Nealstar's D'Light Her With Diamonds (his daddy is also Stratford's Diamond Jim)!

I'm definitely wallowing in my pity party tears!

I can't for the life of me remember the lady's name that does the leash holders, but it's what I think is a computer generated picture of one of her puppies thats on a particle board cutout. Mary told me she thought it was one of her puppies. I've had it a couple of years. It's a beautiful puppy!

TexasKat08 · 07-15-2011, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by tegamom1

I can't for the life of me remember the lady's name that does the leash holders, but it's what I think is a computer generated picture of one of her puppies thats on a particle board cutout. Mary told me she thought it was one of her puppies. I've had it a couple of years. It's a beautiful puppy!

Ahh! I see, that makes sense. I think all her dogs are beautiful. Here is a photo of my baby Dash. He's about 7 1/2 months here and is now 11 months.

tegamom1 · 07-15-2011, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasKat08

Ahh! I see, that makes sense. I think all her dogs are beautiful. Here is a photo of my baby Dash. He's about 7 1/2 months here and is now 11 months.

Pretty boy!

Brooklynn · 07-15-2011, 09:18 PM

I Am gonna be a bi$ch and say WOW!! A positive thread once again goes south!! Why can't some be able to share their joy and love for their favorite yorkie that was being shown without negative responses! If you have a different opinion start your own thread and Leave the positive one alone...

Donna

MyFairLacy · 07-15-2011, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TexasKat08

It's hard not to take offense when words like "appalled" and "shocked" and other very strong adjectives are thrown about. Perhaps another thread could be started wherein novice Yorkie wanna be judges & YT Newbie enthusiasts could express their concerns over the judging. I for one will leave it to the experts. It's disappointing that a rah rah thread took a turn. I came here today to get excited about more results for the people I love and respect on this forum and intead feel I like somebody just kicked me in the shins.

BTW, congratulations Thetis, Michele, Donna and Lorraine! Can't wait to see more results (AND PHOTOS)!!

Oh, just my 2 cents.

Well, everyone is entitled to their opinion I guess.

Anyway, I'm having a great time in San Antonio!! There ARE some very nice yorkies here and I really enjoyed my first national specialty. I'm so proud of my London because she has shown really well for me this week. There are some really nice puppies in her class. Wednesday she won her class in the toy show and then got third in her class at the national. Thursday she got third in her class in sweeps and same in regular classes. And today she won her class!! So now we've got two more days to go. When I can get on my computer I will post some good photos that were taken of London and me this week.

Sunnie · 07-16-2011, 08:10 AM

Well I will also have to say WOW! I am reading this while we are on our way home from San Antonio, where I had the pleasure of watching Jackpot shine up close and personal. What well deserved wins for him. And obviously others that were there felt the same way since different judges chose to put him up as best in breed two days in a row. And a group 3 both days as well This boy showed his heart out for Lorraine!

As for my Righteous, I am so proud of him. He did not come home with any blue ribbons, but he improved each time he showed, taking 4th at the YTCA National show, 3rd in his class in the Puppy Sweepstakes, and 2cnd in his class in the toy show. I couldn't be more proud of him. He is learning more each time he shows and is making his breeder proud.

Sunnie · 07-16-2011, 08:17 AM

I was hoping to upload a picture but am on my iPhone and haven't figured out how to do that on here yet. I have a couple uploaded on my fb page though

07-15-2011, 02:58 PM	#17
TexasKat08 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 898	It's hard not to take offense when words like "appalled" and "shocked" and other very strong adjectives are thrown about. Perhaps another thread could be started wherein novice Yorkie wanna be judges & YT Newbie enthusiasts could express their concerns over the judging. I for one will leave it to the experts. It's disappointing that a rah rah thread took a turn. I came here today to get excited about more results for the people I love and respect on this forum and instead feel I like somebody just kicked me in the shins. BTW, congratulations Thetis, Michele, Donna and Lorraine! Can't wait to see more results (AND PHOTOS)!! Oh, just my 2 cents. __________________ Puppy Hugs & Kisses Kathy & Nicco & Baby Dash

07-15-2011, 03:18 PM	#19
tegamom1 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Lubbock, Texas Posts: 1,548	I started to respond to her comments earlier, but instead decided to just walk away...Comments like that are not worth a response. Congratulations to all the winners...and to Lorraine who also took a Group 3 that day. Wish I had been there to celebrate with everyone. __________________ Mary Ann A'Lea Yorkshire Terriers

07-15-2011, 09:18 PM	#27
Brooklynn Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 4,280	I Am gonna be a bi$ch and say WOW!! A positive thread once again goes south!! Why can't some be able to share their joy and love for their favorite yorkie that was being shown without negative responses! If you have a different opinion start your own thread and Leave the positive one alone... Donna __________________ Brooklynn's Yorkshire Terriers www.brooklynnyorkies.com

07-16-2011, 08:10 AM	#29
Sunnie Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: So. California Posts: 4,057	Well I will also have to say WOW! I am reading this while we are on our way home from San Antonio, where I had the pleasure of watching Jackpot shine up close and personal. What well deserved wins for him. And obviously others that were there felt the same way since different judges chose to put him up as best in breed two days in a row. And a group 3 both days as well This boy showed his heart out for Lorraine! As for my Righteous, I am so proud of him. He did not come home with any blue ribbons, but he improved each time he showed, taking 4th at the YTCA National show, 3rd in his class in the Puppy Sweepstakes, and 2cnd in his class in the toy show. I couldn't be more proud of him. He is learning more each time he shows and is making his breeder proud. __________________ Sonya, Owned by Ladybug, Tilly, Sunshine, Beamer, Rainbow, Sonny and Righteous RIP Sunnie (11/12/2003-7/31/2009)

07-16-2011, 08:17 AM	#30
Sunnie Donating YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: So. California Posts: 4,057	I was hoping to upload a picture but am on my iPhone and haven't figured out how to do that on here yet. I have a couple uploaded on my fb page though __________________ Sonya, Owned by Ladybug, Tilly, Sunshine, Beamer, Rainbow, Sonny and Righteous RIP Sunnie (11/12/2003-7/31/2009)

07-15-2011, 01:04 PM	#16
Chanelie YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NY Posts: 7	CJ125--I was just expressing my opinion. I hope that you or anyone else does not take offense to it. My dogs all come from very reputable breeders in the Yorkie world--2 of them are directly from Canada. I don't want to start a "my dog is better than yours" debate because that is silly and not what this is about. Long story short, I've been in and out of the ring for the past 40 years with various breeds of dogs (not Yorkies). I've been lucky enough to produce and handle some amazing dogs that have done extremely well in AKC shows. I know enough about dogs to know what a well-moving dog looks like of any breed. I retired from showing dogs 10 years ago because the travel and physical demands (getting old isn't for sissies) but I still go to a show here and there to see what is out there. I've been attending the National and regional in NYC for the past 5 years and have had the pleasure to see some breathtaking Yorkies. To address your points: "Every judge seems to have their own idea of what they think a breed should look like while staying within the breed description. I think this is true of any sport." Yes, this is true however when there is no consistency in the judging it makes one wonder if the judge really has a type he is looking for. Once again you're using a video to evaluate a dog - not very accurate if you ask me. Even watching from the sideline doesn't always give you an accurate picture of these dogs walking. That's why judges have them walk together and then seperately. I have seen the dog 2 years in a row at NY and even at the last National in February. I am not saying he moves bad all the time but watching the Westminster video I was appalled. There were so many nice dogs in that ring that moved much better than he did that day. Tha'ts all I am saying. Topline is second to coat? I have to disagree with that. Topline is more important than coat. While coat color is important it is NO where near as important as structure. The color of their coat and even texture has been somewhat hard to achieve consistantly and what I would call cosmetic while topline (structure) is essential. I too agree, but according to the standard the coat is "of prime importance." I'd take structure over coat any day of the week but alas, I did not write the standard. All I am saying is that I don't see the hype about the dog that is idolized on this board. Sure, it is a nice dog but there are definitely some better dogs out there that are unsung by the show people on here. After all, I guess it is just the YTers opinions on here and there don't seem to be too many people on here that show.