Long Tail...what do you do?
 

Hello everyone...I'm Pambellajagshy. I changed my profile name and start a profile with my kennel name. Anyway I have a question. I have friends here in Houston who want to purchase a dog fron Europe. The dog is 1 1/2 and has a long tail. They want to show the dogs here ib the states. What about the tail? Can it be cut at that age or shown with it's tail long?

Pam, docking the tail at that age would require surgery. I have read of a couple of instances where people have had this done to their dogs and the dogs did just fine.

Make sure your friend talks to the person that has the dog about docking the tail. I know some breeders that live in other countries will stipulate in their contract that the tail cannot be docked.

As for showing with a long tail. I have never seen any in the ring with full tails in our area but I seem to remember saying someone finished a yorkie with a full tail a while back. I know it would be a tough decision.

There are some beautiful Yorkies with tails on this website:

...::: Welcome to Yorky Club :::...

It was not that many years ago when a breeder/handler took his Boxer to the top 10 dogs at Westminister and the dog had it's natural tail and ears.

I also think more and more people are docking the tails longer as one day I believe this will be outlawed in the US. My girlfriend has a dog from Linda Bush Bejaze's Male Yorkie Photo's and look at her dogs tails..

I have heard it is very painful to do this to a dog after 3 or 4 days of birth.

I've been wondering if something happened to my yorkie's tail. There is one, it's maybe some 3 inches long. Is that normal? Doesn't seem enough for a dog to communicate with...

I personally wouldn't cut the tail at that age but that is just me of course...I've seen Tonia Holibaugh show a yorkie with a full tail last year in NY placed one day but not the other days and Im not sure if she finished the yorkie or not I just dont' know. I wouldn't show a yorkie in the states with a tail because it's not our standard. JMHO

Donna

oh my god this thread just sank in

people cut off these dog's tails for kicks

despicable

At this age, the tail should be docked surgically, usually done with a laser.

I've only seen one yorkie female with full tail in the ring. I don't think she ever recieved her Championship.

There is one that I know finished (heard of) with a long tail here in AKC shows and only one I know of and it is Ch. Loverboy the Knight of Blue Cross. http://www.pat-larry.com/CHTitles/Champs2009.pdf

Sure surgery is required, but at that age the teeth needs to be clean as well...
so you can do it at once...:animal-pa

I would not hesitate to dock if you use a vet who is a pro at it...lasering is quite common here in So Fl..many people seem to import dogs...I saw a tail lasered at 12 mos..3 days after surgery I could not tell anythign was done..it was healed perfectly...these are good things to think about before purchase of a show potential...a tail will ge tyou no where in the ring..and I know of no one who docks for kicks...

I have a friend in Texas that rescued a yorkie with full tail. The pup was 2 years of age and for sanitary reasons, had his tail lasered. Other than the fact that I saw the dog prior to surgery with a full tail, I'd have never known anything was done. The next day the dog was fine, it never bothered him.

Again, it's up to the individual person...I just think that when they have a tail at that age and it's taken off I think of a person who's lost a leg, an arm and can still feel like it's there and it could be annoying to the dog as it's with a human. Again, it's my personal preferrence...I wouldn't do it even with a vet I trust and knew could do it unless it was for necessary reasons other than to be put in the conformation ring...

Donna

I know with Rosie's last premature whelp & Tahlulha's 2 oz boy. I was monitoring their weight very carefully. I don't dock until they're at 7 oz.....I didn't dock until day 5.....that 2 oz boy was 7 1/2 oz....It was a real close decision on whether he was going to be docked at all.

In England owners of working dogs with tails were charged a tax and in order to avoid the paying the tax...the owners' removed the tail. Even after the tax was repealed they still continued to dock tails.

The breed were originally ratters and having a docked tail meant they were not get bitten nor get it caught on anything going in a burrow.

The YTCA standard still calls for a docked tail

I normally dock at 3 to 4 days old if all is well :) I just wouldn't do it if it had to be surgically done just for an enhancement for the conformation ring. Here in the US we require a docked tail so show a yorkie with a docked tail...if you get if overseas where they have to have a tail make sure the tail gets docked on the pup you choose when they are younger. I know my friend has a yorkie from Europe and she got her at a young age. I just can't fathom having one docked at over a year old :(

Donna

Everyone is entitled to posting their opinion. However, rudeness is not necessary. Especially when addressing them to a respected YT member that contributes so much to the forum. One of your threads addressing this subject has already been locked because of your rudeness.


I strongly suggest you read the following thread, before you post again

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...d-respect.html


AKC Standard

General Appearance
. That of a long-haired toy terrier whose blue and tan coat is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self importance.
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Head
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Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.

Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.
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Legs and Feet
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Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round with black toenails. Dew claws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dew claws on the forelegs may be removed.

Tail
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Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.
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Coat

Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.
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Colors
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Puppies are born black and tan and are normally darker in body color, showing an intermingling of black hair in the tan until they are matured. Color of hair on body and richness of tan on head and legs are of prime importance in adult dogs, to which the following color requirements apply: BLUE: Is a dark steel blue, not a silver blue and not mingled with fawn, bronzy or black hairs. TAN: All tan hair is darker at the roots than in the middle, shading to still lighter tan at the tips. There should be no sooty or black hair intermingled with any of the tan.
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Color on Body
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The blue extends over the body from back of neck to root of tail. Hair on tail is a darker blue, especially at end of tail.
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Head fall
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A rich golden tan, deeper in color at sides of head, at ear roots and on the muzzle, with ears a deep rich tan. Tan color should not extend down on back of neck.

Chest and Legs
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A bright, rich tan, not extending above the elbow on the forelegs nor above the stifle on the hind legs.

Weight
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Must not exceed seven pounds.

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Disqualification
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Any solid color or combination of colors other than blue and tan as described above. Any white markings other than a small white spot on the forechest that does not exceed 1 inch at its longest dimension.

Well said Mary....while I do disagree with some things it is in the standard and as long as it's the standard I will adhere to it :)
OH well....some can just be so closed minded and for the record...if the docking is done right the pups at 3 days old never remembers it and is not tramuatized as much as the mom is....I guess it's cruel to cercimsize (sorry can't spell it) a human baby boy? Just laying out facts some things are done and some aren't :)

Donna

Donna, I've wondered the same thing about those that think it is so cruel to dock a tail, if they don't approve of circumcision....or....infant ear piercings.....I see infants with ears pierced all the time!

Yep! I heard my baby boy screaming when they circumsized him and it lasted for alot longer than a second as it does with pups.....

UH HUH....so I guess her complaint just isn't valid in my opinion....

Donna

One of the wonderful things about dogs is their ability to adapt to just about anything...dogs have no regrets and waste none of their life remembering what body part they lost or doesn't work...you see that every day on Animal Planet. I have had 3 legged Yorkies and blind ones..they were happy and content...so a missing tail is not something I would be too worried about.. it is a matter of opinion...and when AKC forbids it, I will stop removing them.

Well FriscoMom, I guess I am one of the freaks that cuts the tails off of my puppies. I don't do it myself, my vet does it. I live in Canada and soon it will be illegal for vets to perform this procedure. I do not do it for kicks. I don't like to do it and I would only do it on a pup that was destined for the show ring, but at two to three days of age, one cannot pick the which pups will head for the show ring and which will be pets only. Once my vet can no longer perform this procedure for me, I will no longer dock the tails on any of my puppies. As having a full tail is not a disqualification for show, I will at that point in time head into the show ring with a full tail and my head held high. The Canadian Yorkshire Terrier Association is in the process of reviewing the standard now, to the best of my knowledge. Until this time, please do not accuse reputable breeders, who put their heart and soul into their chosen hobby of being freaks or removing body parts from small animals for kicks. Nobody does this because they actually enjoy it. That you thought one docks tails for kicks is truly offensive.

No lie.....I was standing outside the room crying when they circumsized my son. They did it IN THE NURSERY in full view. The doctor's back hid the bad part, but my baby boy was screaming his head off. I was SO upset.
No...he does not remember, but *I* do.

Me too.

At least the pups get even with me....9 times out of 10, as I begin to get them into position.....guess what they poop on me.....

Oh, and I did not have him circumsized just for kicks. Nor do I think that anyone who docked my yorkies tails did it for kicks.

People do things to dogs for kicks alright and it is not docking of tails.......they burn them with cigarettes, poor acid on them, tie them to cars and drag them, electrocute them, .........lots of awful things. They are the people to be called out imho.

CUTTING a tail off is horrible..that is why I do not do it...I clamp and quickly twist... no blood, no need for stitches..and I have done it while the puppy nursed from mom...so, I agree NO CUTTING..I hate it...I think the stitches are the worst and the pups scream.

That'll teach ya! :D:p

Mary, that gives me goose bumps reading this. I am glad I had two girls.

Yep! And later, working in pediatrics the Y Board they strap them to......

STOP IT!!!! :p