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adiben 08-10-2007 03:33 AM
Hills S/D
 
My Yorkie has struvite crystals and has been put on 3 months of Hills S/D.

In three days she is already looking heavier since corn starch is the second ingredient.
Is there a better food out there?

If I give her an apple slice or carrot, will this mess up the chemistry of what the S/D is doing? She is always famished with this crappy canned dog food.

Thank you

marcerella02 08-11-2007 05:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adiben (Post 1297367)
My Yorkie has struvite crystals and has been put on 3 months of Hills S/D.

In three days she is already looking heavier since corn starch is the second ingredient.
Is there a better food out there?

If I give her an apple slice or carrot, will this mess up the chemistry of what the S/D is doing? She is always famished with this crappy canned dog food.

Thank you
ya the Hills SD is crap. Does your dog have urinary stones??? if you can get back to me on that i can let you know a more natural way to help her if you want :) i jsut got this great book last week about natural ways to help our pups and i can let you know what foods to avoid and what foods to emphasize

adiben 08-11-2007 10:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 1300960)
ya the Hills SD is crap. Does your dog have urinary stones??? if you can get back to me on that i can let you know a more natural way to help her if you want :) i jsut got this great book last week about natural ways to help our pups and i can let you know what foods to avoid and what foods to emphasize
No not urinary stones, struvite crystals and vaginal infections of two kinds.
Please help!

Morkie4 08-12-2007 02:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 1300960)
ya the Hills SD is crap. Does your dog have urinary stones??? if you can get back to me on that i can let you know a more natural way to help her if you want :) i jsut got this great book last week about natural ways to help our pups and i can let you know what foods to avoid and what foods to emphasize
What is the name of this "great book" you got last week??? I would like to look into it and see some of the suggestions. Thanks

adiben 08-12-2007 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Morkie4 (Post 1301355)
What is the name of this "great book" you got last week??? I would like to look into it and see some of the suggestions. Thanks
yes...would also like name of this book and waiting to hear from marcerella02 regarding what she thinks about struvite crystals.

Angel and Diva

JeanieK 08-12-2007 04:54 AM
When the vet put her on science diet, did he tell you which ingredient that he was trying to avoid.

What were you feeding?

I feed Royal Canin

Here is a link to their online book on the yorkshire terrier specific food.

http://www.royalcanin.us/dogfood/yorkshirebook.html

This next link has other links that you can click on for more information. The video is worth watching just to see the yorkies.

http://www.royalcanin.us/dogfood/yorkshire.html

adiben 08-12-2007 05:54 AM
Feeding then, feeding now
 
[QUOTE=JeanieK;1301416]When the vet put her on science diet, did he tell you which ingredient that he was trying to avoid.

What were you feeding?

Since she has strvite crystals and vaginal infections vet wants her on this S/D crap for three months.

We were home feeding her low protein diet with probiotics and veggies because diva is a Liver Shunt survivor. had surgury in '02.

The royal canine looks great but the protein content is very very high for liver challenged yorkies.

Angel and Diva

JeanieK 08-12-2007 06:03 AM
OK I understand.

I guess I'd ask the vet why he wants her on that food. What there is or isn't in it that makes it help with they crystals.

[QUOTE=adiben;1301501]
Quote:
Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 1301416)
When the vet put her on science diet, did he tell you which ingredient that he was trying to avoid.

What were you feeding?

Since she has strvite crystals and vaginal infections vet wants her on this S/D crap for three months.

We were home feeding her low protein diet with probiotics and veggies because diva is a Liver Shunt survivor. had surgury in '02.

The royal canine looks great but the protein content is very very high for liver challenged yorkies.

Angel and Diva

marcerella02 08-12-2007 06:16 AM
The book i just got is The Complete Holistic Dog Book. I wrote a review on it in the product review section

when i look up Struvite Crystals it brings me to struvite stones... so sadly... i'm not sure i'm much help.

adiben 08-12-2007 06:22 AM
crystals vs stones?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 1301527)
The book i just got is The Complete Holistic Dog Book. I wrote a review on it in the product review section

when i look up Struvite Crystals it brings me to struvite stones... so sadly... i'm not sure i'm much help.

This book is quite dated, nearly 5 years old.
In terms of struvite vs stones, is there a difference?
I too keep getting bladder stones when I search google for struvite crystals.

stumped


:icon5:

marcerella02 08-12-2007 06:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adiben (Post 1301536)
This book is quite dated, nearly 5 years old.
In terms of struvite vs stones, is there a difference?
I too keep getting bladder stones when I search google for struvite crystals.

stumped


:icon5:
i didn't say this was a new book.. just a good one :)... and does it matter?? regardless of how old it is it has some great home remedies...

adiben 08-12-2007 07:26 AM
Book
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marcerella02 (Post 1301579)
i didn't say this was a new book.. just a good one :)... and does it matter?? regardless of how old it is it has some great home remedies...

You're right.
Found it used on amazon for $15 :D

Ichabob 08-12-2007 08:24 AM
when Ichabob was a dibetic they put him on science diet W/D , like you I was not happy with the food, I did try other brands put ever time I switch him off of the W/D is sugar would go sky high. I eneded up leaving him on it for 2yrs, his sugar stay in the normal range, he did great. he was on Innova before his dibetic problems, but have you notice that when ever a dog has a problems they always put them on S/D. My daughter dog has been on S/D ID his entire life he was a shelter dog with digestion problems She try others food too but they don't seem to help for long he back at the vets . Ichabob passed this past march not from his illiness but from a freak accident.
I really don't know about S/D food I jsut know it work for him. My old vet did not sell any food but insisted he be on S/D.
It's hard to know the right thing to do.

Yorkiedaze 08-12-2007 09:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adiben (Post 1297367)
My Yorkie has struvite crystals and has been put on 3 months of Hills S/D.

In three days she is already looking heavier since corn starch is the second ingredient.
Is there a better food out there?

If I give her an apple slice or carrot, will this mess up the chemistry of what the S/D is doing? She is always famished with this crappy canned dog food.

Thank you
Bladder infection, if present, is treated as for cystitis. In many cases the stones can be dissolved over weeks or months by feeding the dog a special diet. Struvite stones dissolve in an acid urine low in magnesium and protein, accomplished by feeding Hill's Prescription Diet s/d. Uric acid stones respond to a low purine diet (Hill's u/d, along with drugs that dissolve cystine. There are no available methods for dissolving calcium oxalate and silica stones.

I'm sure there is an all natural "real" food diet that is even better that Hill's that will do a better job, but you would have to ask a nutritionist about that or a Holistic Vet.

Yorkiedaze 08-12-2007 09:56 AM
Maybe this site can help you find an Holistic approach.

http://www.holisticvetpetcare.com/

Yorkieluv 08-12-2007 11:11 AM
adiben, please join the liver shunt and mvd group on yahoo groups:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/L...d_MVD_Support/
There are many, many members on there that have been in this same situation before that will be able to offer help. Also, they have an amazing amount of information in their Files section. There are many liver shunt survivors and dogs with MVD. I'm sure you will be able to find an incredible amount of information on there....
Also, here is a link with some info on Struvite stones that may be helpful:
http://www.b-naturals.com/Dec2002.php

If you don't want to feed science diet, tell him/her that you would prefer Royal Canin SO13...This food is also specially formulated to dissolve struvite uroliths, and is very low in protein. It's still not a wonderful choice, as natural foods are more than definitely better, but like I said, if you join the liver shunt group, many of the members on there cook for their dogs and many have had or have problems with either struvite or some type of stones...

adiben 08-12-2007 01:00 PM
Joining Liver Shunt group
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorkieluv (Post 1302088)
adiben, please join the liver shunt and mvd group on yahoo groups:
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/L...d_MVD_Support/
There are many, many members on there that have been in this same situation before that will be able to offer help. Also, they have an amazing amount of information in their Files section. There are many liver shunt survivors and dogs with MVD. I'm sure you will be able to find an incredible amount of information on there....
Also, here is a link with some info on Struvite stones that may be helpful:
http://www.b-naturals.com/Dec2002.php

If you don't want to feed science diet, tell him/her that you would prefer Royal Canin SO13...This food is also specially formulated to dissolve struvite uroliths, and is very low in protein. It's still not a wonderful choice, as natural foods are more than definitely better, but like I said, if you join the liver shunt group, many of the members on there cook for their dogs and many have had or have problems with either struvite or some type of stones...
Thank you, this was very helpful. I will go to the LS group and ask them some pertinent questions.
Angel

ang7880 08-13-2007 05:12 PM
My little guy was on Hills SD for a week when we first got him. He was on Nutro Max Puppy, but he wouldn't eat it for the first day or two....but would go to town on my friend's dog's food...which was the Hill SD. I have now switched him to Nutro Ultra for nutritional reasons. Right now I'm doing 1/2 Ultra, 1/2 Hills SD Small Bites.... Check out the Nutro Ultra and read labels! http://www.ultraholistic.com/index.html
My little one loves it so far. Even better if I drizzle olive oil over his kibble... Has anyone else tried this?

♥ ang


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