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tiggerr36792 04-18-2007 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 1071472)
I think a big majority of the litters that end up in shelters are coming from unlicensed dogs to begin with. Those irresponsible owners are not going to care if the license is $10 or $150, they just won't get one. Some others who may have been willing to pay the $10, just won't buy them for $150. So, the unlicensed dogs will increase.

So, the responsible breeders will pay the extra money and it will go towards feeding, housing, and euthenizing the puppies from owners who do not pay or care. The costs will be added to the puppies the public buys and in the end it is all the same. The responsible folks in the middle will pay the tab one way or another -- through licensing fees or taxes. The irresponsible, careless owners slide by at others' expense as always.

Sorry to sound so pessimistic -- I know the law is meant to save unwanted litters from being created. But I think any laws that penalize before the crime are wrong. Instead of basically fining people for just having unspayed/unneutered dogs, go after those owners who continue to let mongrel dogs breed with no intention of providing for their offspring. JMHO.

There are still too many loop holes to agree to pass this bill according to AKC. So I guess even though it is attempting to help currently it is not in anyones best interest to pass this till the loop holes get worked out in more details.
Here's what AKC is saying:This draconian legislation would drastically restrict the rights of responsible dog owners and will lead to conflicting ordinances all across the state. A registry that is accepted in one city may not be accepted by the neighboring county. The requirements for a breeder license may also differ from place to place.

Heres the AKC link if anyone wants to go look: http://www.akc.org/canine_legislatio...ion_center.cfm

candybaby 04-21-2007 06:52 AM
Hello all,

I have just read and signed the petition: "STOP AB 1634 MANDATORY SPAY/NEUTER"

Please take a moment to read about this important issue, and join me in signing the petition. It takes just 30 seconds, but can truly make a difference. We are trying to reach 1,000 signatures - please sign here:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/762427707

Once you have signed, you can help even more by asking your friends and family to sign as well.

Sidney 04-21-2007 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 1071472)
I think a big majority of the litters that end up in shelters are coming from unlicensed dogs to begin with. Those irresponsible owners are not going to care if the license is $10 or $150, they just won't get one. Some others who may have been willing to pay the $10, just won't buy them for $150. So, the unlicensed dogs will increase.

So, the responsible breeders will pay the extra money and it will go towards feeding, housing, and euthenizing the puppies from owners who do not pay or care. The costs will be added to the puppies the public buys and in the end it is all the same. The responsible folks in the middle will pay the tab one way or another -- through licensing fees or taxes. The irresponsible, careless owners slide by at others' expense as always.

Sorry to sound so pessimistic -- I know the law is meant to save unwanted litters from being created. But I think any laws that penalize before the crime are wrong. Instead of basically fining people for just having unspayed/unneutered dogs, go after those owners who continue to let mongrel dogs breed with no intention of providing for their offspring. JMHO.
:thumbup: I agree!!!!

lisatodd 04-21-2007 07:24 AM
i am a very small breeder and DO agree w the spay and nueter policy. i will be happy to pay the fee. i don't breed for the money (i normally break even), only for the pure pleasure of giving a family or person the joy and love of a happy healthy baby. i know my babies are healthy and brought up w so much love. if i can give someone this, then the 150 is nothing.

Anna Banana 04-21-2007 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Marcellacml (Post 1071535)
Well.. what if it does pass and low income families can't afford the spay/neuter ..then what? they abandon the dog?
They said that there is a waiver available for assistance with the cost of the $150 liscencing. However, in my opinion if a family can't afford the cost of spaying or neutering their pet, they shouldn't have one. What if the pet gets seriously ill? They have no money or assistance to pay for that either. Maybe the bill would help weed out these sorts of unintentionally irresponsible pet owners. :rolleyes:

lisatodd 04-21-2007 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Anna Banana (Post 1077580)
They said that there is a waiver available for assistance with the cost of the $150 liscencing. However, in my opinion if a family can't afford the cost of spaying or neutering their pet, they shouldn't have one. What if the pet gets seriously ill? They have no money or assistance to pay for that either. Maybe the bill would help weed out these sorts of unintentionally irresponsible pet owners. :rolleyes:
you are absolutly right... if they are in low income, they do not need to be spending their money on a dog, cat, or anything else. they need to tend to their families.

Rhapsody 04-21-2007 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by tiggerr36792 (Post 1071437)
If I'm reading this bill correctly this isn't going to hurt any good breeders at all. It seems like it will only weed out the non-Akc or non-purebred breeders. IMO this does actually seem to be a reasonable and helpful bill, and it might actually be a good idea for it to go state-wide. What are anyone else's thoughts on this?????
I agree, it won't hurt good breeders. But it should discourage puppy mill, and breeders out for money, that don't care about the breed at all. Probably a wise move with the how many unwanted pets there are.

Dawn125 04-22-2007 08:09 AM
It seems to me that some form of this bill would be a good thing. Any responsible breeder would have no problem affording the permit and the cost of the permit could easily be added to the cost of puppies if necessary. The puppy mills or backyard breeders that won't pay the fee or can't get one because their animals are not AKC (or whatever) registered shouldn't be breeding in the first place. As far as poor familys that can't afford to have their pet spayed/neutered, they should be able to get low cost or free spaying/neutering from the SPCA/shelter. Where I am you can't adopt an unaltered animal from the SPCA anyway. They fix them before you can take them home.

txshopper73 04-22-2007 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by candybaby (Post 1071306)
I'm not sure, but I know the lady on the news said if you want to be a breeder you will have to pay $150 to license their pets and if you are low income you can possible fill out some form to help with the fee. They are going to talk about it somemore in a few minutes on the news again I'm waiting for it to come on.
:confused: I hope that I don't offend anyone by saying this, but if you're low income to begin with that means that you probably don't have the money for vet visits, emergency c-sections, etc. and probably shouldn't be breeding. JMO

IMO, if you can't provide the best care for the pets that you are breeding, then please, don't even start.

appylover 04-22-2007 12:28 PM
I for one hope the spay/neuter law passes and Oregon follows suit. Their are too many unwanted dogs and cats due to their owners not taking responsibility by having them spayed or neutered. Maybe then the next time someone decides to drop their dog off out in the country it will at least be spayed and won't end up pregnant leaving the person who might take it in with 7 extra dogs to take care of because they don't have the heart to take them to the pound. Yes that would be me. I found homes for two of them but ended up keeping the rest. Don't get me wrong. I love all my dogs but it does cause extra expenses like fencing in our yard, kennels, getting all of them spayed and neutered and dog food. :animal36

BamaFan121s 04-22-2007 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by txshopper73 (Post 1079003)
:confused: I hope that I don't offend anyone by saying this, but if you're low income to begin with that means that you probably don't have the money for vet visits, emergency c-sections, etc. and probably shouldn't be breeding. JMO

IMO, if you can't provide the best care for the pets that you are breeding, then please, don't even start.
I agree with you 100%. If you cannot afford the proper care for your dog, you should not have one, IMO.

In any case, I think if what the law is attempting to do could be carried out the way it is designed, it would be wonderful. But in reality, there are far too many loop holes and people who just don't care. I doubt it will ever make any real impact.

Also, in regards to "signing online petitions," here is an interesting read. Take it as you will. http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/internet.asp


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