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Shicks 04-30-2017 02:44 PM

Titers
 
Has anyone used the Titers test for vaccination immunity?
If so was it reliable?

Lovetodream88 04-30-2017 05:49 PM

It really isn't. What were you wanting to do it for?

Wylie's Mom 05-01-2017 03:06 AM

You'd be spending a lot of money for something that tells you basically nothing that helpful.

What are you trying to achieve w/ titers...?

Shicks 05-01-2017 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4719809)
You'd be spending a lot of money for something that tells you basically nothing that helpful.

What are you trying to achieve w/ titers...?

I want to see if his immunity is still good from all his boosters. He had 4 boosters as a puppy then @ 7 months had rabies. I know he has to have his rabies every 3 years.
I just want to stay away from over vaccinations.
He is 2 1/2 years. He has his wellness check this month & I don't want the vet to talk me into anything that I may or may not want to do.

Lovetodream88 05-01-2017 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Shicks (Post 4719960)
I want to see if his immunity is still good from all his boosters. He had 4 boosters as a puppy then @ 7 months had rabies. I know he has to have his rabies every 3 years.
I just want to stay away from over vaccinations.
He is 2 1/2 years. He has his wellness check this month & I don't want the vet to talk me into anything that I may or may not want to do.

After they have their one year boosters it should be distemper and parvo every 3 years until about 7 years old then you would be fine stopping on that more then likely. You have to follow the laws on rabies. The biggest over vaccination issue is when they were giving distemper and parvo every year.

Wylie's Mom 05-02-2017 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Shicks (Post 4719960)
I want to see if his immunity is still good from all his boosters. He had 4 boosters as a puppy then @ 7 months had rabies. I know he has to have his rabies every 3 years.
I just want to stay away from over vaccinations.
He is 2 1/2 years. He has his wellness check this month & I don't want the vet to talk me into anything that I may or may not want to do.

Did you miss his 1 yr puppy boosters...? Bc to me, it sounds like that's what you're saying above. If you ONLY got the puppy vaccines and then rabies at 7 mths -- then you missed both the puppy vax boosters for parvo and distemper AND you missed the 1yr rabies booster (AFTER which, you then go to rabies every 3 years).

Wylie's Mom 05-02-2017 03:07 AM

And read this whole thread for more about vaccines and titers: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...ml#post4719811

Shicks 05-02-2017 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4719995)
Did you miss his 1 yr puppy boosters...? Bc to me, it sounds like that's what you're saying above. If you ONLY got the puppy vaccines and then rabies at 7 mths -- then you missed both the puppy vax boosters for parvo and distemper AND you missed the 1yr rabies booster (AFTER which, you then go to rabies every 3 years).

So sorry for the confusion. Yes he had his 1 year booster & rabies. We are good one rabies for 3 years. Yes, I did read the article. I have the Dr. Dobbs in my file.
Still so confusing. I certainly don't want to over vaccinate. He is never put in doggie day care or bordered. The only time he's away is when he's groomed. We do visit our daughter in Fl. But no other dogs there.
I lost my best baby Titan @ 7 years old to GME. It could have been to vaccinations. Of course all the Vets say it couldn't have been proved.
Thank you so much for your information and if you have any opinions please respond.

Lovetodream88 05-02-2017 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Shicks (Post 4720026)
So sorry for the confusion. Yes he had his 1 year booster & rabies. We are good one rabies for 3 years. Yes, I did read the article. I have the Dr. Dobbs in my file.
Still so confusing. I certainly don't want to over vaccinate. He is never put in doggie day care or bordered. The only time he's away is when he's groomed. We do visit our daughter in Fl. But no other dogs there.
I lost my best baby Titan @ 7 years old to GME. It could have been to vaccinations. Of course all the Vets say it couldn't have been proved.
Thank you so much for your information and if you have any opinions please respond.

Parvo in small dogs is deadly most of the time, I personally would do that until he is 7. Parvo can live for a very long time on any surface really. It can even come in on your shoes.

Wylie's Mom 05-03-2017 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Shicks (Post 4720026)
So sorry for the confusion. Yes he had his 1 year booster & rabies. We are good one rabies for 3 years. Yes, I did read the article. I have the Dr. Dobbs in my file.
Still so confusing. I certainly don't want to over vaccinate. He is never put in doggie day care or bordered. The only time he's away is when he's groomed. We do visit our daughter in Fl. But no other dogs there.
I lost my best baby Titan @ 7 years old to GME. It could have been to vaccinations. Of course all the Vets say it couldn't have been proved.
Thank you so much for your information and if you have any opinions please respond.

Like you, my goal is to be an absolute minimalist with vaccines for my dogs. I never do bordetella/kennel cough. I only get the Core Vaccines, and then I'm done vaccinating for parvo/distemper once my dogs are around 7 yrs old.

The DOI for parv/dist is MUCH longer than the AAHA recommended 3 years on the vax schedule. Stating "3 years" was considered a compromise - a middle ground - as it relates to the *actual* DOI results, which were rated as 7yrs+...!!! So.....keep that in mind for sure!

You could certainly titer, but it won't tell you the actual info that you need to make a decision either way. That's why titers are really a waste, it's for that reason right there.

Britster 05-03-2017 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4720194)
Like you, my goal is to be an absolute minimalist with vaccines for my dogs. I never do bordetella/kennel cough. I only get the Core Vaccines, and then I'm done vaccinating for parvo/distemper once my dogs are around 7 yrs old.

The DOI for parv/dist is MUCH longer than the AAHA recommended 3 years on the vax schedule. Stating "3 years" was considered a compromise - a middle ground - as it relates to the *actual* DOI results, which were rated as 7yrs+...!!! So.....keep that in mind for sure!

You could certainly titer, but it won't tell you the actual info that you need to make a decision either way. That's why titers are really a waste, it's for that reason right there.

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

So Jackson had his puppy vaccines as well (I think it was like 8, 12, 16 weeks or something similar). His 12 week vaccine he had a *horrible* reaction to the lepto vaccine so never again can we do that. Then at one year old he had his pup vaccines boostered (and rabies).

We did titers when he was... 6.5yrs old. So it had been over 5 years since his last vaccine. The distemper titer did come back on the lower side but he was still considered adequately protected. We opted to give another distemper vaccine just in case. I likely won't vaccinate for anything else but rabies every 3 years per the law for the remainder of his life.

Honestly, the titers were probably pointless. But sometimes they are considered "proof of vaccination" and I preferred to just.... have them. I paid $60. So w/e lol. Titers are not really being used properly. Like a low titer doesn't always mean they're NOT protected and vice versa. Correct me someone if I'm wrong but I'm pretty certain you could literally give the dog their vaccines and then the next day do a titer test and it would show what their immunity levels are and it may show up low, even though they JUST had the vaccine. Someone can explain it better than I can. :p

Wylie's Mom 05-04-2017 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4720267)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

So Jackson had his puppy vaccines as well (I think it was like 8, 12, 16 weeks or something similar). His 12 week vaccine he had a *horrible* reaction to the lepto vaccine so never again can we do that. Then at one year old he had his pup vaccines boostered (and rabies).

We did titers when he was... 6.5yrs old. So it had been over 5 years since his last vaccine. The distemper titer did come back on the lower side but he was still considered adequately protected. We opted to give another distemper vaccine just in case. I likely won't vaccinate for anything else but rabies every 3 years per the law for the remainder of his life.

Honestly, the titers were probably pointless. But sometimes they are considered "proof of vaccination" and I preferred to just.... have them. I paid $60. So w/e lol. Titers are not really being used properly. Like a low titer doesn't always mean they're NOT protected and vice versa. Correct me someone if I'm wrong but I'm pretty certain you could literally give the dog their vaccines and then the next day do a titer test and it would show what their immunity levels are and it may show up low, even though they JUST had the vaccine. Someone can explain it better than I can. :p

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

No, you have it correct here!

You can have a positive titer, but no cellular immunity; or a negative titer, but have cellular immunity.

So, yup, the titers are almost useless - EXCEPT for exactly what you described, Brit: if there is a reason you want to confirm there may have been a previous vaccination (again, within the context of understanding what the results do/don't mean).
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Teegy 05-09-2017 12:02 PM

Titers show the level of immunity in their system. Other than rabies that's required by law after their puppy shots distemper and parvo really aren't required.

Lovetodream88 05-09-2017 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Teegy (Post 4722892)
Titers show the level of immunity in their system. Other than rabies that's required by law after their puppy shots distemper and parvo really aren't required.

Titers aren't really reliable. I personally am a fan of doing distemper and parvo ever three years u til 7. Parvo is starting to rise in the USA. Specifically if you take your pets places.

Wylie's Mom 05-10-2017 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Teegy (Post 4722892)
Titers show the level of immunity in their system. Other than rabies that's required by law after their puppy shots distemper and parvo really aren't required.

This is 100% false, actually, about titers.

Titers cannot show the "level" of immunity at all. Titer results are either positive or negative, period (there is no level). And they ONLY show humoral immunity, which is relatively not meaningful at all. They do NOT show anything about cellular immunity.


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