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Raw dog food (Primal ect) versus High Quality Kibble So my Franklin has now transitioned to adult food now that he's 1 :(. He was on Orijen puppy but due to high BUN levels with unknown cause, we decided that it was probably due to high crude protein % that Orijen has (38%). SO now he's on another high quality kibble "Now Fresh" for small breeds. Due to his pickiness I have had to top his food since the day I got him, went from chicken until I could'nt keep up with it, to now freeze dried raw stella and Chewys and its worked great. The owner of the shop I get his kibble now highly recommends a raw diet from Primal, but my worry is the protein % is higher and could potentially worsen his BUN levels if thats even the cause of it. Has anyone had this issue or switched from kibble to raw and seen improvements in their dog? The conveience of kibble is awesome as well but when Im having to moisten and top his food, I feel its not as convenient as it should be right? HELP! This is all new to me as we only have 9 glorious months together. Thank you! :) |
Kibble actually puts stress on the kidneys bc it lacks moisture. I used to moisten their kibble when they were eating it & they often had tummy issues. I feed my guys Primal & Stella & Chewy's (both frozen & freeze dried) & they're doing fantastic. It might seem a little complicated @ 1st, but it gets so much easier. It's so simple & convenient. The freeze dried is especially handy when traveling. The best part is that my guys do not have any digestive issues eating premade raw food & we haven't been to the vet for tummy issues in a very long time. In fact, the only time they see the vet is for their annual check up. They love every meal time, like it was their 1st time eating it. I also rotate proteins & they have no issues whatsoever. We love it! |
I've been feeding raw for about 5 years now and I love it - I feed mostly Primal. As for what it does to BUN, that's going to be hard to say....the only way to know is to try it and see. |
Have you talked to your vet about it? |
We switched from kibble to raw because Sachi did not like kibble. We mainly use Primal frozen raw and freeze dried raw (Primal & Orijen) here and there. She's been on it for about a year and eats like a little piggy. Had blood work done about a month ago and everything was :thumbup:. |
What was the BUN? How elevated was it? Were other kidney values also elevated? What did your vet say about this? |
I am feeding Primal and Stella and Chewy freeze dried food. . .he loves it. |
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His BUN was as high as 107 the first time and then 108. His creatinine levels though were normal, everything else looks normal. My vet doesn't really know what to make of it. I even went to a second vet for a second opinion and they said the same thing. At first night that I could be a G.I. bleed, and put him on Pepcid and Carafate for about a week. And we haven't gotten him rechecked because they recommended at least three months in between. Like I said the other thing was they said it could be the protein but it's unsure of. This new kibble he'll eat sometimes and sometimes he doesn't. I do i too it with the Stella and Cheweys freeze-dried and he sometimes will just eat that and one or two kibble here and there. |
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You could home cook |
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As to your other question, my guys don't have a problem eating frozen or freeze dried, not picky @ all when it comes to raw food. I only feed Mimi & Turbo freeze dried bc they throw up whenever they eat or drink cold food & water. I like that Stella & Chewy's has a lot of different protein options for freeze dried (as well as frozen). They also eat Primal.:thumbup: |
Dehydration or stress would be a couple points over normal. A BUN that high is alarming. I have a dog with kidney disease who runs a 40 to 50 BUN. |
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Wonders if there needs to be any additional testing? |
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High protein does not cause kidney disease. It can make pre-existing issues worse. Lab work does not show early renal changes. Raw food needs to be converted to a dry matter basis. None of it is low protein. This problem needs to be figured out before feeding any of these foods. BUN can go up because of dehydration and high protein, but not nearly to that level. A urinalysis needs to be done if it hasn't been already. An IMS is needed. That number is way too high. |
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No UA was done :( what is a IMS? Sorry, I tried googling it and nothing came up. He is just not eating his kibble enough, which is why I am switching to raw. I started thinking dehydration if maybe he just isn't drinking enough and frozen raw has high moisture content. I dont know what kind of vet to take him to, I have taken him to two who don't know what it could be beside the possibly gi bleed that he was oven meds for. I'm so distraught over this. He acts and looks completely healthy. |
Crystal can explain a lot more, but I think she's referring to an internal medicine specialist. Katie's BUN was elevated, but it was 38. We had spent the day before playing outside, and she was jumping in her baby pool instead of drinking a lot of water, so I think dehydration was the cause. We also followed up with a specific gravity of urine to be sure there were no kidney issues, and that was normal. I hope your little boy gets better. |
Yes, an internist. I do not know why a urinalysis was not done, but both vets dropped the ball. This NEEDS to be done. Moisture is goid. High protein is not ok until you get a diagnosis. |
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So I will be calling my vet to make an appointment for follow-up labs and you way. And I will ask him for a referral to internal medicine specialist in town if its still high. I will refrain from transitioning into a raw diet until I get more concrete answers. Thank you very much for your help! |
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Wow his BUN was definitely through the roof. Thank you for your suggestions, I will definitely be checking up and doing a follow up soon and asking for a specialist consult. |
[quote=107barney;4458807]Internal medicine specialist. The ACVIM is the board certification for that. They are usually found at bigger specialist hospitals or vet school. I am sorry but that number for a BUN is not likely to be dehydration. I agree that I would be feeding lower protein until you find out |
dog Hi Paola RN. My daughter is an RN. I admire nurses. I feed my Yorkies Wellness and am very happy with that. Just wanted to tell you what food I use. Bless you for helping others! |
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