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capt_noonie 05-11-2014 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4435268)
This all reminds me of this SNL skit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkbiJYU4CNI

hahaha!

I've never liked BB and honestly this all just confirms my original thoughts.

I just hope it doesn't turn really nasty because I could see BB trying to bring Purina down too... but I think this could overall be a really good step for the pet food industry. So many of them rely on marketing teams to sell a product. Consumers are slowly and surely becoming more aware in general so we'll see.
OMG lol I hadn't seen that! Haven't been watching SNL much lately. Even that blue triangle logo!

Ellie May 05-11-2014 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4435256)
Here is the complaint that Purina filed against Blue. I'm only about 2/3 of the way through it, but had to stop to make myself some snacks and feed PURINA to my dogs. Who knew that Hill's also had issues with Blue.... Very interesting read.... What do you all think??

http://consumermediallc.files.wordpr...ue-buffalo.pdf
Thanks for reading this to me. It was a good bedtime story. lol

Hoping BB has to pay up. Simple arithmetic tells me that brands claiming no by-products need to be charging around $2+ a pound because good meat is not cheap. After losing moisture and volume during processing it would take a lot of meat to make pet food.

This reminds me of Champion and their very borderline marketing campaigns. Not paying for food from these types of companies when they don't even have vet nutritionists on staff.

pstinard 05-12-2014 06:50 AM
Just a brief update. I haven't heard back from Dr. Remillard (yet) about named vs. unnamed meat sources in dog foods, but I did receive an acknowledgment of receipt of my email from another vet nutritionist at her company. I'll post again as soon as I hear back, or if I haven't heard back from them in a week or two.

pstinard 05-12-2014 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4435256)
Here is the complaint that Purina filed against Blue. I'm only about 2/3 of the way through it, but had to stop to make myself some snacks and feed PURINA to my dogs. Who knew that Hill's also had issues with Blue.... Very interesting read.... What do you all think??

http://consumermediallc.files.wordpr...ue-buffalo.pdf
I read through it, and there was very little factual information in it. They did not disclose the name of the testing company, or how the tests were done. They also apparently tested only a few bags of food, and some of them didn't contain undisclosed ingredients. So it's too early to tell whether this suit, or Blue Buffalo's countersuit, will prosper. Now I've got to make myself a bowl of popcorn while Bella eats her bowl of BLUE BUFFALO dog food :D.

107barney 05-12-2014 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4435482)
I read through it, and there was very little factual information in it. They did not disclose the name of the testing company, or how the tests were done. They also apparently tested only a few bags of food, and some of them didn't contain undisclosed ingredients. So it's too early to tell whether this suit, or Blue Buffalo's countersuit, will prosper. Now I've got to make myself a bowl of popcorn while Bella eats her bowl of BLUE BUFFALO dog food :D.
The complaint is just a framework for what they must prove at trial. It will be interesting but I'm guessing it won't even get beyond some pre-trial motions and then there will be some settlement. So we may never really know. But they said they NEVER use those ingredients. So if even one life bit or kibble has those ingredients then they aren't keeping their promise.

It does not surprise me to know that a corn geneticist will snack on popcorn. :)

pstinard 05-12-2014 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4435532)
The complaint is just a framework for what they must prove at trial. It will be interesting but I'm guessing it won't even get beyond some pre-trial motions and then there will be some settlement. So we may never really know. But they said they NEVER use those ingredients. So if even one life bit or kibble has those ingredients then they aren't keeping their promise.

It does not surprise me to know that a corn geneticist will snack on popcorn. :)
:p (for the popcorn comment :))

If the case doesn't go to trial, then Blue Buffalo will either have to improve its quality control on production lines, or change their advertising policies. It's all good.

ladyjane 05-12-2014 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pstinard (Post 4435537)
:p (for the popcorn comment :))

If the case doesn't go to trial, then Blue Buffalo will either have to improve its quality control on production lines, or change their advertising policies. It's all good.

It looks to me like they already had to change some of their advertising policies after the issue with Hill's. They said they would comply with the NAD recommendation although they are appealing the part about by products.

Britster 05-12-2014 03:34 PM
If you recall, Hills had a slight issue with mislabeling as well a year or two ago. Not as big of a deal IMO as the BB thing. But again, I hope this all means we keep getting a *little* bit closer to better pet food regulations.

Hill's Pet Nutrition Inc 11/23/11

Bellas-Mama 05-12-2014 03:57 PM
Well, I can say this,
 
Bella was losing weight on BB. After watching her spit out the "Life source bits" for so long, we did a little research, and discovered that many, many dogs leaves these black bits all over the house.
That is where a HUGE part of the nutrition is in BB. We switched her to Royal Canin, Yorky, and she started to blossom all over again. She literally flips the bowl over when she is done, looking for more, lol...
I also read that BB gets it's vitamins for the life bits from China. I was not pleased to hear that one. Nothing against China, but If you advertise that your food is American made, then it should all come from here. That's just my humble opinion...

ladyjane 05-12-2014 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4435696)
If you recall, Hills had a slight issue with mislabeling as well a year or two ago. Not as big of a deal IMO as the BB thing. But again, I hope this all means we keep getting a *little* bit closer to better pet food regulations.

Hill's Pet Nutrition Inc 11/23/11
I guess my point was that Phil said that BB might have to change their advertising as if that were a new thing and it is not.

I am not trying to say that one is better than the other even though I have made my decision about which one I believe is best for my pups and it is based upon the trust that I have in that company. Just answering the comments as they come.

But, I must say that what you have posted is something far removed from what Blue Buffalo has been doing to compete in this industry.

Britster 05-12-2014 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 4435702)
I guess my point was that Phil said that BB might have to change their advertising as if that were a new thing and it is not.

I am not trying to say that one is better than the other even though I have made my decision about which one I believe is best for my pups and it is based upon the trust that I have in that company. Just answering the comments as they come.

But, I must say that what you have posted is something far removed from what Blue Buffalo has been doing to compete in this industry.
Oh I agree with you. I guess I just did not understand where Hills was coming from in regards to BB. I admittely did not read the whole lawsuit though so did not see what Hills had to do with anything.

I don't like 95% of the SD formulas but I'd for sure feed a Hills food over BB. And of course that wasn't always my opinion.

I briefly worked for BB a few years back as a sales rep and hated the company. WAY too much focus on marketing vs. actual nutrition.

And their commercials are seriously ridiculous.

107barney 05-12-2014 04:49 PM
I'm just taken aback that they have spent $50 million to promote their "promise" and haven't spent a tiny fraction of that to hire a vet nutritionist or do feeding trials.

Britster 05-12-2014 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 4435709)
I'm just taken aback that they have spent $50 million to promote their "promise" and haven't spent a tiny fraction of that to hire a vet nutritionist or do feeding trials.
:yelrotflm Right?! That's what I don't understand....

ladyjane 05-12-2014 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4435712)
:yelrotflm Right?! That's what I don't understand....
I think I do.... the almighty dollar ranks higher than the well being of the animals they are making that "promise" to.

ladyjane 05-12-2014 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4435708)
Oh I agree with you. I guess I just did not understand where Hills was coming from in regards to BB. I admittely did not read the whole lawsuit though so did not see what Hills had to do with anything.

I don't like 95% of the SD formulas but I'd for sure feed a Hills food over BB. And of course that wasn't always my opinion.

I briefly worked for BB a few years back as a sales rep and hated the company. WAY too much focus on marketing vs. actual nutrition.

And their commercials are seriously ridiculous.
Go back to the link that Cathy posted and scroll down to line 66 and read about the challenge Hill's made. You can scan it, and then go down to the NAD decision. Speaks volumes to me.


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