Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4409348)

This should be a sticky..

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom (Post 4409772)

Put this into the Health Library here: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/die...esia-pets.html

Thanks again for posting this :)!

Originally Posted by Matthias (Post 4410272)

This is my biggest worry of all when it comes to my Yorkies. My baby boy Timothy should have had his teeth cleaned a few times while younger, but I feared he wouldn't make it through while being under. He also needed luxating patella surgery on both hind legs, of which I didn't do because of the same fear.

Now I read this article and AM NOT FORGETTING the fact it's at Tufts and NOT my local vets in the area. The same protections and Veterinarians that are at Tufts are one thing, but having similar near here is something else. I'm not going to be skewed by facts, when the facts don't apply similar around here.

Matthias

Originally Posted by Matthias (Post 4410272)

This is my biggest worry of all when it comes to my Yorkies. My baby boy Timothy should have had his teeth cleaned a few times while younger, but I feared he wouldn't make it through while being under. He also needed luxating patella surgery on both hind legs, of which I didn't do because of the same fear.

Now I read this article and AM NOT FORGETTING the fact it's at Tufts and NOT my local vets in the area. The same protections and Veterinarians that are at Tufts are one thing, but having similar near here is something else. I'm not going to be skewed by facts, when the facts don't apply similar around here.

Matthias

Originally Posted by Matthias (Post 4410272)

This is my biggest worry of all when it comes to my Yorkies. My baby boy Timothy should have had his teeth cleaned a few times while younger, but I feared he wouldn't make it through while being under. He also needed luxating patella surgery on both hind legs, of which I didn't do because of the same fear.

Now I read this article and AM NOT FORGETTING the fact it's at Tufts and NOT my local vets in the area. The same protections and Veterinarians that are at Tufts are one thing, but having similar near here is something else. I'm not going to be skewed by facts, when the facts don't apply similar around here.

Matthias

Originally Posted by Matthias (Post 4410272)

This is my biggest worry of all when it comes to my Yorkies. My baby boy Timothy should have had his teeth cleaned a few times while younger, but I feared he wouldn't make it through while being under. He also needed luxating patella surgery on both hind legs, of which I didn't do because of the same fear.

Now I read this article and AM NOT FORGETTING the fact it's at Tufts and NOT my local vets in the area. The same protections and Veterinarians that are at Tufts are one thing, but having similar near here is something else. I'm not going to be skewed by facts, when the facts don't apply similar around here.

Matthias

Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4410639)

I agree the article was written explaining what the vets at Tuft's do or can do, but you can take this info and question your vet to find out exactly what their anesthesia protocol is, and if they tweak it for special patients, and make a more informed decision regarding getting treatment for your dog.

Also know your vet. Does he have experience with smaller animals? ...I feel more confident with him doing a surgery on my small dogs, as all these animals require different protocols for anesthesia, and I feel he's better informed and has the experience to make the best choices for my dogs.

Ask about the specific drugs he uses. If he minds you asking, then that would be a bit of a red flag to me. Pre-op blood work should always be done in advance. And everything else mentioned in the article.

Originally Posted by Matthias (Post 4410902)

Have one of the top Vets in our area explain then how 2 yorkies died from NOT making it through surgery due to the anesthesia. I know because I asked the about the dangers of it. Small risk, huh?

Matthias

Originally Posted by Matthias (Post 4410902)

Have one of the top Vets in our area explain then how 2 yorkies died from NOT making it through surgery due to the anesthesia. I know because I asked the about the dangers of it. Small risk, huh?

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And you completely missed the point of me pointed out the article, that people shouldn't feel completely safe because regardless of how "Certified" or how "established" their protocols nor how "specialized" the specialist is, this diminishes NOTHING about the inherent dangers of putting a yorkie through anesthesia and what the possible results could be. So YOU are the one skewing facts because a dead yorkie is a dead yorkie and giving false hope or impression that it's safe as it is.... like I said, doesn't diminish anything that yorkies die under anesthesia and this has to be weighed out in making a final decision. And who the heck are you Blarney, arrogant pos to make judgments about my decisions? My yorkie the one you referenced with your BS reply is 14 years old and I changed his lifestyle so his problems wouldn't affect him in his later years and here he is hanging in there. So my yorkie hasn't forgone needed procedures because of my fear. Just because a yorkie has something wrong with it, talking to a vet intellectually to weigh out the pros and cons and what's to be expected isn't foregoing any procedure if it's weighed properly. Is it always like you to cry when someone has a different point of view than you? You want to make more BS replies to me? Bring it and you will definitely hear more. :mad:


Matthias

Originally Posted by Matthias (Post 4410903)

Thanks for the reply kjc,

I had written a reply to you above as an edit shortly after I finished, then none of it was saved as there's a wrong protocol of no more edits after 5 minutes, so my reply to you never got put there. Hence I now have to do another post and am now not in a mood to write as much...

Anyway, I would bet everything I own that I would be in the upper 5% bracket of owners who asked many questions to their vets prior to making a big decision, like surgery. I asked every conceivable question I could think of. I went in there with a w-r-i-t-t-e-n list of questions. I referenced magazines, books, forums, videos, a pay-for-advice online vet service, other vets and other yorkie owners. I went in well prepared. I did spend approx. $200 in blood work and tests as well.

Thank you for your advice as I feel the more you know about the vet and their experience, etc, the better it is to know if that's the vet you want working on your yorkie or if it's better to go elsewhere.

May your babies always be well, and live a long healthy and happy life!

Matthias :)

Originally Posted by Teegy (Post 4410930)

Someone needs to leash some of you with your approach. I clearly see Matthias has true cause for concern here Your insulting tone and remarks when questioning her reasoning are incredibly out of line. As for lightning rarely striking twice, I believe there is more than enough supporting documentation in her posts to show that it certainly does happen and you all need to show a level of respect to other members when they post. It always seems to be the same people. I enjoy reading great posts and following everyone's experiences, concerns and advice, and that's just it everyone has different experiences and just cos it's written in something that you see as a bible doesn't mean that's how it should be.
Please stop with the harsh and most definitely condescending manner in which you treat people. I feel new members reading these posts may be fearful of asking for valid and vital information for concern about being pounced on

Originally Posted by Teegy (Post 4410930)

Someone needs to leash some of you with your approach. I clearly see Matthias has true cause for concern here Your insulting tone and remarks when questioning her reasoning are incredibly out of line. As for lightning rarely striking twice, I believe there is more than enough supporting documentation in her posts to show that it certainly does happen and you all need to show a level of respect to other members when they post. It always seems to be the same people. I enjoy reading great posts and following everyone's experiences, concerns and advice, and that's just it everyone has different experiences and just cos it's written in something that you see as a bible doesn't mean that's how it should be.
Please stop with the harsh and most definitely condescending manner in which you treat people. I feel new members reading these posts may be fearful of asking for valid and vital information for concern about being pounced on

Originally Posted by Teegy (Post 4410912)

I'm so sorry to hear that. My friend almost lost her yorkie during his neuter.

Originally Posted by kjc (Post 4411084)

I almost lost my first Yorkie to anesthesia. I was also in the surgical suite with the vet and surgery tech when it happened. I was a newbie tech at the time and was there only to observe. The vet explained that because she's a terrier, they fight when they're going under, and basically she was over medicated, then it finally hit her and she started going into heart failure. They had to bring her level up quickly and stabilized her before continuing with her surgery. She was being put under very gradually, and the reversal drugs were right there, so I believe they were prepared for this type of reaction.

This same reaction occurred when my step daughter had her feeding tube placed. It was her first operation, first time being sedated, and as she has severe Cerebral Palsy, I could not explain to her what was going to happen. The second time she was put under, she understood when I told her the doc was going to put her to sleep to change her feeding tube, bc she did remember the first experience. Just thought this a strange coincidence..

Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 4411119)

Sedate and then intubate.......there should really be no issues with intubation.

The dog was already intubated and on the table, hooked up to the monitors etc. The vet was just ready to cut when the tech caught the problem.


As for your daughter's situation I can speak from my experiences working with many different types of disabilities pre-surgery and they always premeditated the PT in OR holding. As long as the PT does not need to give surgical consent (as is the case for your daughter I'm assuming) there should be no issues in offering a sedative early on while waiting for her procedure. My suggestion for in the future should your daughter need another procedure is that you could speak to the anesthesiologist as soon you arrive or convey your concerns to the attending nurse. Their very willing to offer whatever is necessary to help alleviate undo stress preoperatively. I've even worked with several surgeons that order Xanax as a standing order prior to surgery. This is in addition to other pre-surgical drugs. Surgery is can be very frightening so the anesthesiologist like to avoid undo stress prior to even entering the OR Suite.