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Patty 06-10-2013 12:27 PM
They eat the duck. They didn't seem to like the chicken so I brought it back and got the duck. They gobble that up. I like the $14 price better.

lovespandp 06-10-2013 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by AnneJ68 (Post 4238608)
Ok question for those of you who do feed CC. Do you free feed or schedule feed? Usually I will put out a cup of and he will graze off it for a day or two. Little stinker got up this morning barking off his head so I decided to put out the usual amount and he ate all but a tiny bit of it. :eek: I sure don't want him getting fat off this food but I don't want him staring most of the day either.

Maybe it's a new food thing and he'll pace himself after the newness wears off?:confused:
I go by what the bag says for Peanut’s weight/ age /activity level. The bag says he should get ¼ a day. So I will give him 1/8 in the morning and 1/8 when I get home from work. Sometimes he gobbles it all and by 6 he is looking in his food bowl- I will sprinkle a little more and he will eat a couple pieces and will be done for the night.

Look at the back and see what it tells you to feed- you can always split it up like I do- it works really well for us.

lovespandp 06-10-2013 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Nipper (Post 4239455)
Canine Caviar is a terrible food and the company's claims, that it is a cancer diet, are a joke. I have a hard time with companies that sell dog food on this basis.

I have been using Farmina N&D Wild Boar and its the best I have ever used. My friend has been great at sharing with me.
Is this the one you are talking about?

Boar & Apple | Farmina Pet Foods - Happy pet. Happy You.

Has a lot of different proteins in it.. :confused:

Ingredients
Fresh boneless wild boar (25%), dehydrated boar meat (23%), potatoes, fresh boneless chicken, dehydrated chicken meat, chicken fat, dehydrated whole eggs, dehydrated fish, hydrolyzed animal protein, fish oil

I have not found it available in the U.S so where do you buy it?

lovespandp 06-10-2013 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by dottiesyrky (Post 4239508)
We all have different opinions about the food we give our dogs. But to say it is a terrible food seems to me unfounded. I feel all we can go on is the company philosophy, ingredients, USA made, and recalls. As long as quality control is good then the manufacturing plant should not matter.
Many here find their dogs do well on the food, as does mine. Do you have a bad experience which gives you the right to make this scary statement? If you know something that should concern us, please tell and I certainly would stop feeding it.
I tried very hard to research this and other foods and can only do ones best. According to you I did a very poor research job!
:thumbup: I so agree. YT is a great place to learn about food- All of our babies handle food differently.

Or are you just yelling out a statement you have no experience in?

dottiesyrky 06-10-2013 01:39 PM
Farmina?
 
Thank you for the info.
This would not be my choice of dog food as it seems very high in protein. Also I though pork was not the best for dogs?
However, to each his own.

lovespandp 06-10-2013 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by dottiesyrky (Post 4240648)
Thank you for the info.
This would not be my choice of dog food as it seems very high in protein. Also I though pork was not the best for dogs?
However, to each his own.
No problem. I never heard of it- from what I found it is not available here in the states..

That is what I find great with YT. We hear about all kinds of food brands.

Wylie's Mom 06-11-2013 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Nipper (Post 4239455)
Canine Caviar is a terrible food and the company's claims, that it is a cancer diet, are a joke. I have a hard time with companies that sell dog food on this basis.

I have been using Farmina N&D Wild Boar and its the best I have ever used. My friend has been great at sharing with me.
Can you provide a link where they actually say, "this is a cancer diet" - I'd like to see it as I'm always interested if claims like that are truly being made.

I can't agree that CC is a "terrible food", based upon its ingredients. I'm sure there are people on this board who think Farmina is terrible too, for their own reasons. However, Farmina is working for you and that's wonderful.

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Originally Posted by Nipper (Post 4239461)
That food has been made at 3 places over the past few years. You should do your homework to see why.
It's common for dog food companies to *not* own their own manufacturing plant. Nor is that uncommon for dog food companies to switch around if the current place isn't a good fit or has too many issues.

If you know something more than that, ie "you should do your homework", it'd probably be more meaningful to just tell us what that homework is rather than imply some sort of mystery. It would be helpful if you merely shared the facts if you know something meaningful.

Nipper 06-17-2013 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 4240612)
Is this the one you are talking about?

Boar & Apple | Farmina Pet Foods - Happy pet. Happy You.

Has a lot of different proteins in it.. :confused:

Ingredients
Fresh boneless wild boar (25%), dehydrated boar meat (23%), potatoes, fresh boneless chicken, dehydrated chicken meat, chicken fat, dehydrated whole eggs, dehydrated fish, hydrolyzed animal protein, fish oil

I have not found it available in the U.S so where do you buy it?
You posted the cat food above. I have used the Boar and the Chicken & Pom. food. We have friends in Europe and they send it for us. They switched from Orijen and they told me it was much better so I wanted to try. The ingredient companies are fully disclosed and Farmina has state of the art human certified facilities. Most ingredients are wild like the boar and the chicken which is not wild comes from Amadori, which is very much like Bell & Evans in the USA. The results are very good and this is a very professional company.

You are correct its not available here, not sure why it would sell like crazy. Everyone knows Italians don't settle for bad food.

Boar & Apple | Farmina Pet Foods - Happy pet. Happy You.
Chicken & Pomegranate | Farmina Pet Foods - Happy pet. Happy You.

Verbena 06-17-2013 06:47 AM
I have a few problems with the Farmina food. First is that they have inulin. It is used to replace sugar. It can cause gas and bloating. Some companies even put a warning to that affect on the package.
The second is Fructooligosaccharide. It is also a sugar alternative. Fructo-oligosaccharides seem to be safe when taken in less than 30 grams per day. They can cause intestinal gas (flatulence), intestinal noises, bloating, stomach cramps, and diarrhea. These effects are usually mild if the dose is less than 10 grams per day.
Special Precautions & Warnings: Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Not enough is known about the use of fructo-oligosaccharides during pregnancy and breast-feeding. Stay on the safe side and avoid use.

Everyone has a personal opinion on the foods they give their dogs.

Nipper 06-17-2013 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Verbena (Post 4246609)
I have a few problems with the Farmina food. First is that they have inulin. It is used to replace sugar. It can cause gas and bloating. Some companies even put a warning to that affect on the package.
The second is Fructooligosaccharide. It is also a sugar alternative. Fructo-oligosaccharides seem to be safe when taken in less than 30 grams per day. They can cause intestinal gas (flatulence), intestinal noises, bloating, stomach cramps, and diarrhea. These effects are usually mild if the dose is less than 10 grams per day.
Special Precautions & Warnings: Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Not enough is known about the use of fructo-oligosaccharides during pregnancy and breast-feeding. Stay on the safe side and avoid use.

Everyone has a personal opinion on the foods they give their dogs.
Inulin is the fiber in chicory root. Most foods have this and its meant to feed the good bacteria in your dogs body. Your dog cannot digest it. Fructooligosaccharides is a pre-biotic, meant for your dogs natural flora. Your dog can't digest it. Again this is a very common ingredient in dog foods. It is just a starch from fruit meant to feed your dog's good bacteria.

Some foods might list it differently but both ingredients are extremely common in foods. Keep in mind the label is a translation from Italian on the website.

Neither are sugar alternatives.

Nipper 06-17-2013 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Verbena (Post 4246609)
I have a few problems with the Farmina food. First is that they have inulin. It is used to replace sugar. It can cause gas and bloating. Some companies even put a warning to that affect on the package.
The second is Fructooligosaccharide. It is also a sugar alternative. Fructo-oligosaccharides seem to be safe when taken in less than 30 grams per day. They can cause intestinal gas (flatulence), intestinal noises, bloating, stomach cramps, and diarrhea. These effects are usually mild if the dose is less than 10 grams per day.
Special Precautions & Warnings: Pregnancy and breast-feeding: Not enough is known about the use of fructo-oligosaccharides during pregnancy and breast-feeding. Stay on the safe side and avoid use.

Everyone has a personal opinion on the foods they give their dogs.
From the Whole Dog Journal:

"Oligosaccharides differ from other types carbohydrates (sugars) in that they are indigestible in the stomach and small intestine. Instead of being broken down by acids, enzymes, and other digestive chemicals in the upper GI tract, they remain intact until they reach the large intestine, where they are finally broken down and fermented by resident microflora. The result is stimulation of the growth and/or activity of bifidobacteria and other beneficial bacteria that dogs need to properly digest their food and metabolize waste."


Yes, everyone has a personal opinion but that doesn't mean someone can be factually in error (you).

Llutz 06-18-2013 12:07 PM
So can someone tell me, is it worth a 4 hr drive for me to get a bag(s) of Canine Caviar for Enzo? He is so picky with his kibble!

He's 9 months old, around 7.5 lbs.

Initially he was on BB when I got him (at 7 months) He ate very little of it, so on a suggestion from another Yorkie owner, I switched to RC Puppy.
He did just ok on the first bag, and now won't even touch it!

If you do think it's worth my drive, I won't hesitate. I think he'd like the Duck/Sweet potato version.

dottiesyrky 06-18-2013 12:17 PM
CC kibble
 
I would not do the drive myself! Especially as your Enzo may not like it. Then it would be another trip to return it. LOL!
I get my local small pet shop to order it for me, or you could get it by mail?
Have u tried Wellness, it is very much like BB. How hard it is to feed these picky ones! Good Luck!
By the way, I have found that sometimes one bag is different from the next and my boy will not eat the new bag often. No issue like this, so far, with CC.

mimimomo 06-18-2013 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Llutz (Post 4247833)
So can someone tell me, is it worth a 4 hr drive for me to get a bag(s) of Canine Caviar for Enzo? He is so picky with his kibble!

He's 9 months old, around 7.5 lbs.

Initially he was on BB when I got him (at 7 months) He ate very little of it, so on a suggestion from another Yorkie owner, I switched to RC Puppy.
He did just ok on the first bag, and now won't even touch it!

If you do think it's worth my drive, I won't hesitate. I think he'd like the Duck/Sweet potato version.
CC doesn't use any potatoes or sweet potatoes in their food along w/ flax...that's why it's so good for yeasty or itchy pups. We have grain free venison, if you wanna try it, I'll send you some! Just PM me.

You can order it online.

tokipoki 06-18-2013 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Llutz (Post 4247833)
So can someone tell me, is it worth a 4 hr drive for me to get a bag(s) of Canine Caviar for Enzo? He is so picky with his kibble!

He's 9 months old, around 7.5 lbs.

Initially he was on BB when I got him (at 7 months) He ate very little of it, so on a suggestion from another Yorkie owner, I switched to RC Puppy.
He did just ok on the first bag, and now won't even touch it!

If you do think it's worth my drive, I won't hesitate. I think he'd like the Duck/Sweet potato version.
Whoa! I think that's a crazy amount of driving! I would definitely try to either order it online or call local independent pet stores and see if you can have them special order it for you (I was able to find a store by where I worked that could get it for me...and I didn't have to pay for shipping!). CC has great reviews but I'd definitely look at other options first if accessibility is an issue and if it's not the only food your dog will do well on. I know Fromm has a Duck and Sweet Potato formula that our beagle back home enjoyed. Also Go! as well as Acana both have duck varieties as well...I think those are great options and ones that I would check out first before taking such a long journey to get a food that your pup might not even eat...the things we are willing to do for our pups though... :)

Llutz 06-18-2013 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4247854)
CC doesn't use any potatoes or sweet potatoes in their food along w/ flax...that's why it's so good for yeasty or itchy pups. We have grain free venison, if you wanna try it, I'll send you some! Just PM me.

You can order it online.
Oh, I thought I seen a Duck/sweet potato canned flavor on the website.

It seems like a long way to go, but if he eats it, it will be worth it. Right now I am throwing away more than he is eating. I'm trying a bit of home cooking for him too, but I do want to use some sort of kibble as a back up when we camp etc or when time doesn't allow for cooking.

The only store in Canada that sells CC is Global Pets, and unfortunatly we do not have one of them in Medicine Hat nor do we have a locally owned pet store, just Petland & PetSmart.. Sigh...

If he could just enjoy his kibble as much as he loves his veggies, we'd be set! ;)

dottiesyrky 06-18-2013 02:09 PM
Enzo the picky :-))
 
I know the feeling with picky pups. Have you tried sprinkling a small amount of Parmesan cheese, or a few bits of his favorite treat on his kibble? Mine won't eat any kibble without seasoning. Then he eats it all. Hope you can find a solution other than the long drive.

mimimomo 06-18-2013 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Llutz (Post 4247908)
Oh, I thought I seen a Duck/sweet potato canned flavor on the website.

It seems like a long way to go, but if he eats it, it will be worth it. Right now I am throwing away more than he is eating. I'm trying a bit of home cooking for him too, but I do want to use some sort of kibble as a back up when we camp etc or when time doesn't allow for cooking.

The only store in Canada that sells CC is Global Pets, and unfortunatly we do not have one of them in Medicine Hat nor do we have a locally owned pet store, just Petland & PetSmart.. Sigh...

If he could just enjoy his kibble as much as he loves his veggies, we'd be set! ;)
Yes, they do have duck & sweet potato canned food. CC canned food is only for supplemental feedings only, for use as a topper w/kibble for example.
Do they have a pet food delivery business where you are? If it's hard for you to get it, then it would be best to get something locally. Mine all did well on Wellness Core. GL w/whatever you choose!

Llutz 06-19-2013 06:29 PM
Anybody ever hear of "Go" dog food?

Also, I read on another thread that a Yorkie mom feeds kibble during the day, along with fruits & veggies and then home cooks his evening meal..Now that I could handle! Should I use the BalanceIt on his home cooked?

mimimomo 06-19-2013 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Llutz (Post 4249338)
Anybody ever hear of "Go" dog food?

Also, I read on another thread that a Yorkie mom feeds kibble during the day, along with fruits & veggies and then home cooks his evening meal..Now that I could handle! Should I use the BalanceIt on his home cooked?
Go! & NOW are great foods. I always wondered why all the best pet foods are from Canada. Only select feed stores & boutiques here sell them.

Llutz 06-19-2013 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4249441)
Go! & NOW are great foods. I always wondered why all the best pet foods are from Canada. Only select feed stores & boutiques here sell them.
Really? That's funny because up here everything I want you can only get in the States! :p
The lady at PetValu suggested it today when I mentioned Enzo is a picky kibble eater...She suggested Go, Orijen & Acana

mimimomo 06-19-2013 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Llutz (Post 4249455)
Really? That's funny because up here everything I want you can only get in the States! :p
The lady at PetValu suggested it today when I mentioned Enzo is a picky kibble eater...She suggested Go, Orijen & Acana
Grass is greener on the other side loll! Mine did very well on Acana Grasslands some years back, but I got tired of cutting the kibble w/scissors. I think some other formulas were smaller kibbles, not sure. GL w/whatever you choose & hope Enzo like it!

CSRE 06-21-2013 10:36 AM
I used CC for a while. I had very high expectations due reviews made by other members, sadly id did not work for us, vet said it was too strong for my girls, a have a 3 pound little girl and she would swallow the kibble, which ended up with her vomiting. I tried cutting it into pieces but still she would get tummy pain. My bigger yorkie also started developing an acid breath due the food (this is what my vet said).

So I started home cooking, I just got exhausted searching for the right kibble.

Overall my opinion is, whatever works for your babies, in my experience brands can be a hit or a miss, so it is kind of a trial and error operation.

I would recommend you to try with trail sizes of the kibbles you have in mind until you find the right one for you fur baby. You will need a lot of patience to go slow with switching foods and a lot of time and observation, but you will eventually get results.

joyce evans 06-21-2013 11:41 AM
Decisions...decisions. I stay confused on what to feed Hannah especially after reading entire post about food for Yorkies. I am feeding the new Science diet kibble and Wellness in the can and she seems to be doing just fine for now. My concern is that there might be ingredients in what I have choosen that may affect her later on. I also give her Bill Jacks Peanut Butter snacks and she loves them. I know that everone has their own opinions and expereinces but these are our babies and I will buy or do whatever is best for Hannah to insure that she is with me for a long time to come. I just wish there was a easy list for reference.

mimimomo 06-21-2013 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by joyce evans (Post 4251036)
Decisions...decisions. I stay confused on what to feed Hannah especially after reading entire post about food for Yorkies. I am feeding the new Science diet kibble and Wellness in the can and she seems to be doing just fine for now. My concern is that there might be ingredients in what I have choosen that may affect her later on. I also give her Bill Jacks Peanut Butter snacks and she loves them. I know that everone has their own opinions and expereinces but these are our babies and I will buy or do whatever is best for Hannah to insure that she is with me for a long time to come. I just wish there was a easy list for reference.
Just so you're aware, Wellness uses carrageenan in their canned food. Carrageenan is injected into lab rats' joints to induce inflammation, to test the effectiveness of anti-inflammatory meds. It's in a lot of human foods too, like cottage cheese, ice cream, soy milk, etc...it's a cheap filler. If you want to read more about it: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...rrageenan.html

Bil Jac uses BHA as a preservative, it's linked to cancer! BHA... a Time Bomb in Dog Food?

joyce evans 06-21-2013 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4251082)
Just so you're aware, Wellness uses carrageenan in their canned food. Carrageenan is injected into lab rats' joints to induce inflammation, to test the effectiveness of anti-inflammatory meds. It's in a lot of human foods too, like cottage cheese, ice cream, soy milk, etc...it's a cheap filler. If you want to read more about it: http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...rrageenan.html

Bil Jac uses BHA as a preservative, it's linked to cancer! BHA... a Time Bomb in Dog Food?
Crapp!!!!! See what I'm talking about!! There is soo much to learn! The food labels are getting so small that I can hardly read them anymore and even if I could how can I possibly look up each ingredient and know that they are good for my baby. What do you feed yours? What is safe??? I need to get her on something that is good for her now while she is young. I thought from other post on this site that wellness was ok.

mimimomo 06-21-2013 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by joyce evans (Post 4251103)
Crapp!!!!! See what I'm talking about!! There is soo much to learn! The food labels are getting so small that I can hardly read them anymore and even if I could how can I possibly look up each ingredient and know that they are good for my baby. What do you feed yours? What is safe??? I need to get her on something that is good for her now while she is young. I thought from other post on this site that wellness was ok.
I google everything. As for canned food (bc if carrageenan is going to be in dog food, it'll be the canned & rolls), just read the ingredients & avoid carrageenan. Here's a list of dog foods w/carrageenan, dog foods to avoid: Search Results carrageenan

Wellness overall is a great company & food. I used to feed mine Wellness Core kibble. Just do not feed their canned food. Royal Canin is also great & many breeders use it. Hope you'll find a suitable canned food for your pup.

Kaitlynx89 07-15-2013 12:51 PM
Awesome info everyone! My 8 month old is on RC right now. She loved it and now hates it. She wont touch it. So half a bag I have to throw away.. I have been trying different free samples I got. I just got the Wellness so I am going to try that. With all this positive feedback I might go buy a bag of CC and see if she likes this!!! :D. I know I have a Especially for Pets by me and I believe they sell CC.

lovespandp 07-15-2013 01:14 PM
Isn’t it funny how picky these little turkeys are! LOL

One of the issues I had with Peanut was he didn't eat as much as he should. Before he was on CC he was on Acana. Acana had a formula switch and after that he couldn't tolerate it. That is when I tried a couple foods and nothing was working. Then I found out about CC . He loved it from the start. It has been 8 months and he still licks his bowl clean. I can tell he really enjoys the taste. The kibble is a great size as well- perfect for little mouths.

lovespandp 07-15-2013 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4249464)
Grass is greener on the other side loll! Mine did very well on Acana Grasslands some years back, but I got tired of cutting the kibble w/scissors. I think some other formulas were smaller kibbles, not sure. GL w/whatever you choose & hope Enzo like it!
OMG Yes!! That was such a pain!! Haha, so glad I don't have to do that anymore.


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