Canine Caviar The other CC thread was closed before I had a chance to post the source of the information. Here it is: PetDiets PetDiets The links won't make sense unless you read the other thread. I had been wondering how CC could claim that their foods met AAFCO nutrient profile guidelines with a phosphorus value higher than the allowable limit. The AAFCO max is 1.6%. One of CC's formulas is 1.7% min. While looking at their site to get everything straight (was going to ask my dog's nutritionist how this could be possible) I came across something interesting. When clicking on the grain free varieties I went to the feeding guidelines page for each 'flavor'. This is where their statement of AAFCO certification is. I believe it is the Wild Ocean formula that is 1.7% min phosphorus. On the Wild Ocean feeding page it does say it meets AAFCO guidelines. Very confusing since that is not possible. At closer look it reads that their Chicken and Millet food meets AAFCO guidelines. They use their statement from the chicken type for all foods (which is not correct). So it appears that some are not approved but they have decided to make it appear that they are (unless I am missing something). Probably doesn't matter to some, but to others it does. Have a good evening, everyone.:) |
Thanks for the info. What does too much phosphorus do to compromise a dog's health? It is so hard searching for the perfect food. Between worrying about too much protein, too much fat, additives, processing etc etc my head is spinning. I have tried Eukennuba (breeder), Wellness, Taste of the Wild, Orijen, Arcana, Honest Kitchen, Ziwi Peak, Artemis Osopure, Canine Caviar ( he has stopped itching ) I am overwhelmed with what is the best for Buster. |
I was following this thread and actually called the company to ask for samples before I purchased cause Allie is so picky. I saw Riley DC had such great results with his allergies, I thought what the heck. I just googled phosphorus and something about kidney and renal??? They sent me for free ,3 1lbs bags of different flavors. Am i possibly giving Allie that could harm her in the long run? |
My bag of wild Ocean said it had 1.0% Phosphorus... ?? It is no secret and they have been announcing on their FB page that they are in the process of revamping their website and they are not finished just yet so who knows?! |
:confuse8:I found these articles too much phosphorus and too little are both issues :eek: Phosphorus - *Canine Clarity The Calcium, Phosphorus and Vitamin D - *Canine Clarity DogAware.com Health: Non-Prescription Commercial Diets for Dogs with Kidney Disease |
Excess phosphorus probably doesn't affect healthy dogs at all )a vet nutritionist would be able to answer this). It becomes a problem when the dog has kidney disease and the kevel has to be closely watched. It doesn't cause kidney. It needs to be looked at if the dog has kidney disease. BUT as the link above says (by a boarded vet nutritionist), many dogs that appear normal and have normal labs are in the beginnings of renal disease. Those lab values will not ekevate until 50the dog has lost 75% of kidney function. So some feel it is best to not overdo phosphorus in healthy dogs bc you never kniw if there is a subclinical problem. This does not mean that CC is hurting dogs, etc. It means they may be overdoing phosphorus which is not good for dogs with subclinical kidney issues. Some of the formulas have more moderate amounts, however. As for the AAFCO discrepancy, I don't have much to say except it 'appears' that they are trying to make customers think that non AAFCO foods are AAFCO approved. Perhaps that is not their intent, but to me it looks like it may be. And unless I'm feeding a specialized rx diet, I would not feed a food (made in the US) that is not AaFCO approved. Taking that a little further, I prefer to feed foods that have gone through an AAFCO feeding trial, not just a nutrient analysis check. I'm not telling people that they should nit feed CC. Hat is between you and your pups' vets. I think it is great that it helps allergy dogs. It will be some rormlas are fery limited intredient. Here is no one best food and no perfectly safe food. In fact, I think dog food in general is gross. lol. Some vet nutritionists will make commercial food recommndations for a fee if you are having trouble. |
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Thanks for explaining it in simple language!! I know I need to just pay the large amount of $$$ and figure out what she is allergic to , instead of just treating and masking symptoms, but for now this is another shot. |
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it really is enough to make ones head spin!!!! |
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Wow. Thanks for the info now I've got to read through it as soon as my eyes clear. Been online a while, eyes unhappy. |
The closest dermatologist to me that is any good is about 2 hours away and probably 500+ for the visit! Hopefully in the next couple of months I can do this. The last derm cost me 250+ only to say environmental and here's atopica. Which at first she did well on but then started to itch and chew paws again. |
I just purchased the wild ocean for Lexi as she has allergies and licks her little feet all the time and has had some little red splotches like Riley and now I am wondering if I should not give it to her? Always something...ugh:confused: |
I'm not worried about it!! Riley's vet was fine with it. Actually very Happy! :D I took the bag in to him... Riley had been eating the Wild Ocean for two months. |
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