Finally...I got to order Canine Caviar!

[Britster]

Originally Posted by mimimomo

Thanks for that bit of info! I really didn't pay attention to phosphorus or ash, but ever since Momo got struvite crystals, I'm obsessive! Good thing they were having production delays of Buffalo bc I wanted to try that next, we'll go w/venison when they're done w/the duck.
Remember when you mentioned that open sky had a weird smell? Before I got the prescription canned food, I was soaking Momo's kibble in water so I can get some more moisture in him & it was so stinky!

I've recently become really aware of ash levels, and calcium/phospohorus. I really think it's extremely important to pay attention to.

And Lol, maybe that's why I remember it smelling heavyily, he only ever ate it with water and wet food on it.

[lovespandp]

I don't think the Duck smells that bad- I thought it smelt better than Acana- for sure!!

Pnut is almost done with his Open Sky, I think I will order another Open Sky- then maybe after that bag change it up! He is doing so good I don't want to start having issues !!

[Britster]

Food is funny to me- like, I heard someone tell me they loved the smell of Fromm Game Bird and I hated it.. it's not even that it was strong, I just didn't care for it. Fromm Beef tho, I thought it smelled so good/fresh!! LoL ... everyone's crazy noses... not that I'm like, shoving kibble up my nose or anything... but when you first open the bag, there's always like that first smell.

I hateed Acana Pacificia- ugh couldn't stand the fishy smell!

[hugz4all4]

After reading all the good reviews, I just placed my first order of their special needs formula and a case of turkey off from chewy.com. Tuck has such a sensitive stomach, I was a little nervous to go grain free/higher protien and fat.
Right now all of my dogs are on SD and doing very well except for they have stinky breath and a dog odor that even a bath doesnt touch. :/
It was quite pricy 55 bucks for a 12 pound bag and a case of cans but If it works and my dogs like it, its worth it.

[RileyDC]

Originally Posted by Britster

Then I wouldn't feed the Ocean either. High ash makes me nervous for their long term kidney health.

I agree- I would pay anything for a food my dog is doing fantastic on! But I was just pointing out that it *is* pricey, thats all For MY personal dog, he ate half a bag of it (the duck one) and didn't care for the taste w/o being mixed with wet, and he didn't seem to do any better than foods I pay less for. So for us, I am just not sure the price is worth it.

Yeah... Ill stick with the Duck & Venison for sure.

Okay. It's not pricey to me.
Riley eats little less than 1/4 cup twice a day.

[lovespandp]

I buy the 4 pound bags-

[lovespandp]

Originally Posted by hugz4all4

After reading all the good reviews, I just placed my first order of their special needs formula and a case of turkey off from chewy.com. Tuck has such a sensitive stomach, I was a little nervous to go grain free/higher protien and fat.
Right now all of my dogs are on SD and doing very well except for they have stinky breath and a dog odor that even a bath doesnt touch. :/
It was quite pricy 55 bucks for a 12 pound bag and a case of cans but If it works and my dogs like it, its worth it.

Hope it works for your sweet Tuck!

[RileyDC]

Originally Posted by hugz4all4

After reading all the good reviews, I just placed my first order of their special needs formula and a case of turkey off from chewy.com. Tuck has such a sensitive stomach, I was a little nervous to go grain free/higher protien and fat.
Right now all of my dogs are on SD and doing very well except for they have stinky breath and a dog odor that even a bath doesnt touch. :/
It was quite pricy 55 bucks for a 12 pound bag and a case of cans but If it works and my dogs like it, its worth it.

ohhhhhh I hope it works for you!!

[RileyDC]

Originally Posted by Britster
Then I wouldn't feed the Ocean either. High ash makes me nervous for their long term kidney health.

I agree- I would pay anything for a food my dog is doing fantastic on! But I was just pointing out that it *is* pricey, thats all For MY personal dog, he ate half a bag of it (the duck one) and didn't care for the taste w/o being mixed with wet, and he didn't seem to do any better than foods I pay less for. So for us, I am just not sure the price is worth it.

Originally Posted by RileyDC

Yeah... Ill stick with the Duck & Venison for sure.

Okay. It's not pricey to me.
Riley eats little less than 1/4 cup twice a day.

I was paying 19.99 + tax for a 2.5 pound bag of Royal Canin
Yorkshire Terrier Puppy. I never even thought twice about
Paying that much until I joined this Forum. LOL!!

[Britster]

Originally Posted by RileyDC

Originally Posted by Britster
Then I wouldn't feed the Ocean either. High ash makes me nervous for their long term kidney health.

I agree- I would pay anything for a food my dog is doing fantastic on! But I was just pointing out that it *is* pricey, thats all For MY personal dog, he ate half a bag of it (the duck one) and didn't care for the taste w/o being mixed with wet, and he didn't seem to do any better than foods I pay less for. So for us, I am just not sure the price is worth it.





I was paying 19.99 + tax for a 2.5 pound bag of Royal Canin
Yorkshire Terrier Puppy. I never even thought twice about
Paying that much until I joined this Forum. LOL!!

I know, I think RC is ridiculously priced too. At over $7 per pound... CC in the small bags is over $5 per pound. I think both are good foods, for different reasons, just over priced.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by Britster

I know, I think RC is ridiculously priced too. At over $7 per pound... CC in the small bags is over $5 per pound. I think both are good foods, for different reasons, just over priced.

I should add- I'm talking about the grain frees. They have other formulas more "budget friendly".

I have a question tho, maybe one of you can answer it, because CC hasn't responded to my e-mail from over a month ago...

I was curious about these formulas-
Canine Caviar Holistic Large Breed Puppy Lamb Dry Dog Food
Canine Caviar Holistic Puppy Chicken Grain-Free Dry Dog Food

They are not on the CC site, but are available on Chewy.

[my2boyz]

Originally Posted by Britster

I should add- I'm talking about the grain frees. They have other formulas more "budget friendly".

I have a question tho, maybe one of you can answer it, because CC hasn't responded to my e-mail from over a month ago...

I was curious about these formulas-
Canine Caviar Holistic Large Breed Puppy Lamb Dry Dog Food
Canine Caviar Holistic Puppy Chicken Grain-Free Dry Dog Food

They are not on the CC site, but are available on Chewy.

They have a toll free number on their site Brit...why don't you give them a call and ask? Or, you can do a live chat from the chewy site and ask them.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by my2boyz

They have a toll free number on their site Brit...why don't you give them a call and ask? Or, you can do a live chat from the chewy site and ask them.

Oh it's not a huge deal to me. I was considering buying a bag a month ago when I was food searching but decided to stick w/ Fromm, so I have a lot of Fromm left. But I had just wanted to know before ordering it, if it was going to be discontinued, etc. I just didn't know if anyone here knew by chance!

[my2boyz]

Here's a page I found on the Dogaware site with information about the requirements of phosphorus and protein in dogs...it may be helpful on both sides of the coin:

Phosphorus and Protein in Dog Foods

If I'm understnding the information correctly, according to this page it looks like even the Buffalo formula is within range of what the maximum amount should be.

[Britster]

Originally Posted by my2boyz

Here's a page I found on the Dogaware site with information about the requirements of phosphorus and protein in dogs...it may be helpful on both sides of the coin:

Phosphorus and Protein in Dog Foods

If I'm understnding the information correctly, according to this page it looks like even the Buffalo formula is within range of what the maximum amount should be.

The MAXIMUM phosphorus allowed according to AAFCO is 1.6%.

The buffalo formula is 1.5% MINIMUM. Meaning it could be a lot more. It also is 2.0% calcium. Wild Ocean is Calcium 2.4% min, Phosphorus 1.7% min. The other formulas are fine, the duck is low in ash.

For example, fats on dog food labels are on a minimum basis. A food that reads 13% could actually go as high as 19%. If you check out a food like Innova, they provide the *full* nutrient analysis and give you minimums and maximums.

A 1.5% or 1.6% *minimum* phosphorus content would make me extremely nervous in terms of kidney damage long-term.

Fromm Adult Gold has an ash content of 5.62% on an as-is basis, with phosphorus at 1.03% as-is basis.

Anything with a calcium/phos content of over 1.5% typically has very high ash as well.