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Britster 01-19-2013 06:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4110615)
Thanks for that bit of info! I really didn't pay attention to phosphorus or ash, but ever since Momo got struvite crystals, I'm obsessive! Good thing they were having production delays of Buffalo bc I wanted to try that next, we'll go w/venison when they're done w/the duck.
Remember when you mentioned that open sky had a weird smell? Before I got the prescription canned food, I was soaking Momo's kibble in water so I can get some more moisture in him & it was so stinky!:p
I've recently become really aware of ash levels, and calcium/phospohorus. I really think it's extremely important to pay attention to.

And Lol, maybe that's why I remember it smelling heavyily, he only ever ate it with water and wet food on it.

lovespandp 01-19-2013 06:14 PM
I don't think the Duck smells that bad- I thought it smelt better than Acana- for sure!!

Pnut is almost done with his Open Sky, I think I will order another Open Sky- then maybe after that bag change it up! He is doing so good I don't want to start having issues !!

Britster 01-19-2013 06:19 PM
Food is funny to me- like, I heard someone tell me they loved the smell of Fromm Game Bird and I hated it.. it's not even that it was strong, I just didn't care for it. Fromm Beef tho, I thought it smelled so good/fresh!! LoL ... everyone's crazy noses... not that I'm like, shoving kibble up my nose or anything... :p but when you first open the bag, there's always like that first smell.

I hateed Acana Pacificia- ugh couldn't stand the fishy smell!

hugz4all4 01-19-2013 06:21 PM
After reading all the good reviews, I just placed my first order of their special needs formula and a case of turkey off from chewy.com. Tuck has such a sensitive stomach, I was a little nervous to go grain free/higher protien and fat.
Right now all of my dogs are on SD and doing very well except for they have stinky breath and a dog odor that even a bath doesnt touch. :/
It was quite pricy 55 bucks for a 12 pound bag and a case of cans but If it works and my dogs like it, its worth it.

RileyDC 01-19-2013 06:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4110673)
Then I wouldn't feed the Ocean either. High ash makes me nervous for their long term kidney health.

I agree- I would pay anything for a food my dog is doing fantastic on! But I was just pointing out that it *is* pricey, thats all :) For MY personal dog, he ate half a bag of it (the duck one) and didn't care for the taste w/o being mixed with wet, and he didn't seem to do any better than foods I pay less for. So for us, I am just not sure the price is worth it.
Yeah... Ill stick with the Duck & Venison for sure.

Okay. It's not pricey to me. :)
Riley eats little less than 1/4 cup twice a day.

lovespandp 01-19-2013 06:35 PM
I buy the 4 pound bags-

lovespandp 01-19-2013 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hugz4all4 (Post 4110688)
After reading all the good reviews, I just placed my first order of their special needs formula and a case of turkey off from chewy.com. Tuck has such a sensitive stomach, I was a little nervous to go grain free/higher protien and fat.
Right now all of my dogs are on SD and doing very well except for they have stinky breath and a dog odor that even a bath doesnt touch. :/
It was quite pricy 55 bucks for a 12 pound bag and a case of cans but If it works and my dogs like it, its worth it.
Hope it works for your sweet Tuck!

RileyDC 01-19-2013 06:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by hugz4all4 (Post 4110688)
After reading all the good reviews, I just placed my first order of their special needs formula and a case of turkey off from chewy.com. Tuck has such a sensitive stomach, I was a little nervous to go grain free/higher protien and fat.
Right now all of my dogs are on SD and doing very well except for they have stinky breath and a dog odor that even a bath doesnt touch. :/
It was quite pricy 55 bucks for a 12 pound bag and a case of cans but If it works and my dogs like it, its worth it.
:thumbup: ohhhhhh I hope it works for you!!

RileyDC 01-19-2013 06:56 PM
Originally Posted by Britster
Then I wouldn't feed the Ocean either. High ash makes me nervous for their long term kidney health.

I agree- I would pay anything for a food my dog is doing fantastic on! But I was just pointing out that it *is* pricey, thats all For MY personal dog, he ate half a bag of it (the duck one) and didn't care for the taste w/o being mixed with wet, and he didn't seem to do any better than foods I pay less for. So for us, I am just not sure the price is worth it.


Quote:
Originally Posted by RileyDC (Post 4110692)
Yeah... Ill stick with the Duck & Venison for sure.

Okay. It's not pricey to me. :)
Riley eats little less than 1/4 cup twice a day.

I was paying 19.99 + tax for a 2.5 pound bag of Royal Canin
Yorkshire Terrier Puppy. I never even thought twice about
Paying that much until I joined this Forum. LOL!!

Britster 01-20-2013 07:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RileyDC (Post 4110742)
Originally Posted by Britster
Then I wouldn't feed the Ocean either. High ash makes me nervous for their long term kidney health.

I agree- I would pay anything for a food my dog is doing fantastic on! But I was just pointing out that it *is* pricey, thats all For MY personal dog, he ate half a bag of it (the duck one) and didn't care for the taste w/o being mixed with wet, and he didn't seem to do any better than foods I pay less for. So for us, I am just not sure the price is worth it.





I was paying 19.99 + tax for a 2.5 pound bag of Royal Canin
Yorkshire Terrier Puppy. I never even thought twice about
Paying that much until I joined this Forum. LOL!!
I know, I think RC is ridiculously priced too. At over $7 per pound... CC in the small bags is over $5 per pound. I think both are good foods, for different reasons, just over priced.

Britster 01-20-2013 07:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4111069)
I know, I think RC is ridiculously priced too. At over $7 per pound... CC in the small bags is over $5 per pound. I think both are good foods, for different reasons, just over priced.
I should add- I'm talking about the grain frees. They have other formulas more "budget friendly".

I have a question tho, maybe one of you can answer it, because CC hasn't responded to my e-mail from over a month ago...

I was curious about these formulas-
Canine Caviar Holistic Large Breed Puppy Lamb Dry Dog Food
Canine Caviar Holistic Puppy Chicken Grain-Free Dry Dog Food

They are not on the CC site, but are available on Chewy.

my2boyz 01-20-2013 08:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4111091)
I should add- I'm talking about the grain frees. They have other formulas more "budget friendly".

I have a question tho, maybe one of you can answer it, because CC hasn't responded to my e-mail from over a month ago...

I was curious about these formulas-
Canine Caviar Holistic Large Breed Puppy Lamb Dry Dog Food
Canine Caviar Holistic Puppy Chicken Grain-Free Dry Dog Food

They are not on the CC site, but are available on Chewy.
They have a toll free number on their site Brit...why don't you give them a call and ask? Or, you can do a live chat from the chewy site and ask them.

Britster 01-20-2013 08:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 4111107)
They have a toll free number on their site Brit...why don't you give them a call and ask? Or, you can do a live chat from the chewy site and ask them.
Oh it's not a huge deal to me. I was considering buying a bag a month ago when I was food searching but decided to stick w/ Fromm, so I have a lot of Fromm left. But I had just wanted to know before ordering it, if it was going to be discontinued, etc. I just didn't know if anyone here knew by chance! :)

my2boyz 01-20-2013 08:16 AM
Here's a page I found on the Dogaware site with information about the requirements of phosphorus and protein in dogs...it may be helpful on both sides of the coin:

Phosphorus and Protein in Dog Foods

If I'm understnding the information correctly, according to this page it looks like even the Buffalo formula is within range of what the maximum amount should be.

Britster 01-20-2013 08:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 4111121)
Here's a page I found on the Dogaware site with information about the requirements of phosphorus and protein in dogs...it may be helpful on both sides of the coin:

Phosphorus and Protein in Dog Foods

If I'm understnding the information correctly, according to this page it looks like even the Buffalo formula is within range of what the maximum amount should be.
The MAXIMUM phosphorus allowed according to AAFCO is 1.6%.

The buffalo formula is 1.5% MINIMUM. Meaning it could be a lot more. It also is 2.0% calcium. Wild Ocean is Calcium 2.4% min, Phosphorus 1.7% min. The other formulas are fine, the duck is low in ash.

For example, fats on dog food labels are on a minimum basis. A food that reads 13% could actually go as high as 19%. If you check out a food like Innova, they provide the *full* nutrient analysis and give you minimums and maximums.

A 1.5% or 1.6% *minimum* phosphorus content would make me extremely nervous in terms of kidney damage long-term.

Fromm Adult Gold has an ash content of 5.62% on an as-is basis, with phosphorus at 1.03% as-is basis.

Anything with a calcium/phos content of over 1.5% typically has very high ash as well.

Ldyrev1 01-20-2013 11:08 AM
Is this food complete or do you need to supplement?
 
Hi, this is Princess Sophie's mommy. I just placed an order for the Canine Caviar to be using a week after she comes home? I know you have to change any dog to a new food gradually. My question is, is this dog food complete? Do you need to supplement with anything when using this food??

mimimomo 01-20-2013 01:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldyrev1 (Post 4111244)
Hi, this is Princess Sophie's mommy. I just placed an order for the Canine Caviar to be using a week after she comes home? I know you have to change any dog to a new food gradually. My question is, is this dog food complete? Do you need to supplement with anything when using this food??
Which formula did you get? They do have a puppy formula but it's for Large Breed...some of their formulas are all life stages, Chicken & Pearl Millet/ Lamb & Pearl Millet. The grain free versions say it's good for large & giant breed puppies.
It is highly advised not to switch food on a young Puppy, their digestive system is still developing & any additional stress is too much for them to handle.

mimimomo 01-20-2013 01:45 PM
I have a problem w/Canine Caviar's 'Cancer Research Foundation'. They use carrageenan in their canned foods & it is scientifically proven to cause cancer in lab rats.:confused: I've posted this (about carrageenan in some canned dog foods) in several threads & nobody seemed to be interested or cared loll.
Of course, I emailed them this concern & they never replied...along w/all my numerous other emails that NEVER went answered.

Ldyrev1 01-20-2013 04:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4111401)
Which formula did you get? They do have a puppy formula but it's for Large Breed...some of their formulas are all life stages, Chicken & Pearl Millet/ Lamb & Pearl Millet. The grain free versions say it's good for large & giant breed puppies.
It is highly advised not to switch food on a young Puppy, their digestive system is still developing & any additional stress is too much for them to handle.
I bought the Canine Caviar Holistic Puppy Chicken Grain-Free Dry Dog Food. I thought it would be best since it is designed for puppies. Gosh I hope I did the right thing. I understand about changing food on such a young pup and even though the breeder is feeding Purina Puppy Chow (Ugh!!!), we are going to ween her from that after a few weeks. We certainly don't want to upset her more than necessary just moving her from one place to another.

RileyDC 01-20-2013 05:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4111069)
I know, I think RC is ridiculously priced too. At over $7 per pound... CC in the small bags is over $5 per pound. I think both are good foods, for different reasons, just over priced.

I checked both Wylie Wagg and Whole Pet Central
today and these are their prices for Canine Caviar:

Open Sky: $17.99
Wild Ocean: $15.99
and
Wilderness: $16.99

I paid $17.84, today, after taxes, for a bag of Wilderness.
I wouldn't call that Over priced.

RileyDC 01-20-2013 05:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 4111107)
They have a toll free number on their site Brit...why don't you give them a call and ask? Or, you can do a live chat from the chewy site and ask them.
That's what I ended up doing and was very satisfied.
Lovespandp - Deanna also called and got excellent service. I know she was very satisfied as well.

RileyDC 01-20-2013 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RileyDC (Post 4111706)
I checked both Wylie Wagg and Whole Pet Central
today and these are their prices for Canine Caviar:

Open Sky: $17.99
Wild Ocean: $15.99
and
Wilderness: $16.99

I paid $17.84, today, after taxes, for a bag of Wilderness.
I wouldn't call that Over priced.

Their grain inclusives were even cheaper...

I also checked the prices for the Acana I used to feed and
They were a few dollars more. Granted they are 5lb bags but
Riley doesn't even eat as much of the Canine Caviar... I'm
Assuming because the calories are higher ... So the bags have
Lasted longer.

It's been a win win for me..
Hoping he continues doing as well as he has and if so it
doesn't matter the price. I will continue paying any amount.

Britster 01-20-2013 07:39 PM
Dang!! Our store charged me $21.99 w/ tax for the 4lb Open Sky bag!! I got jipped...

Even so, Chewy.com has the 12lb bag for $39.99. It's still pricey. I'm not trying to argue that the food isn't good ... I'm just saying IMO it's over priced for what it is. The Acana Singles line was pricey too, I thought. I paid $19.99 for the 5lb bags of that. Acana Wild Prairie, you can get 15lbs for $35.99. I always thought that was a good deal (the 5.5lb bags were $15 ish til they made bags smallr and raised prices uhgh). Same thing with Petcurean - Pet Valu near me started carrying their foods and the Go! Grain-free was $24 with tax for a 6lb bag.

RileyDC 01-20-2013 09:58 PM
You sure did!! That's crazy!! :thumbdown

Unfortunately it's the stores and online companies that Overprice it!
Everybody trying to make a profit...

I've been impressed with Wylie Wagg... They no longer carry it
in their store but said they would order me whatever I needed. I get
Their monthly newsletter which has a $3.00 coupon at the bottom...
I have Always LOVED the people I have dealt with at Whole Pet Central.
They even carry the 1lb bags of CC in all formulas.

MY OSCAR 01-21-2013 01:36 AM
Hi, i too am going to jump on the Canine Caviar bandwagon ..:D
Oscar has the itchys all the time.. No skin problems just itching..
I have RX shampoo, just use plain water in the spray bottle when grooming.
He does not get a lot of treats..
He is on an L.I.D kibble..
Although he did very good on the CC when i first tried it about 6 months ago(1 pound sample bag) i did not buy it again after that first bag because it was impossible to find in the stores..
I found the 4 pound bag of Chicken grain free so i ordered it..
After he goes thru that and if it gets rid of his itchys I will order the bigger bag...
We should have it Wednesday, wish us luck..:)

RileyDC 01-21-2013 05:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldyrev1 (Post 4111558)
I bought the Canine Caviar Holistic Puppy Chicken Grain-Free Dry Dog Food. I thought it would be best since it is designed for puppies. Gosh I hope I did the right thing. I understand about changing food on such a young pup and even though the breeder is feeding Purina Puppy Chow (Ugh!!!), we are going to ween her from that after a few weeks. We certainly don't want to upset her more than necessary just moving her from one place to another.
My BFF down in Richmond did the Same Thing with her brand new teeny tiny Pomeranian Puppy!! Had No Problems and keeps thanking me up and down for telling her about the food! She said even her 2 Cats were eating it so she went and bought them their own formula of it!! :thumbup: :)

RileyDC 01-21-2013 05:43 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 4111121)
Here's a page I found on the Dogaware site with information about the requirements of phosphorus and protein in dogs...it may be helpful on both sides of the coin:

Phosphorus and Protein in Dog Foods

If I'm understnding the information correctly, according to this page it looks like even the Buffalo formula is within range of what the maximum amount should be.
You are correct!! :thumbup:
I just bought a bag of Wilderness yesterday.
Excited to try the Buffalo when it hits the shelves!!

Ldyrev1 01-21-2013 08:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldyrev1 (Post 4111558)
I bought the Canine Caviar Holistic Puppy Chicken Grain-Free Dry Dog Food. I thought it would be best since it is designed for puppies. Gosh I hope I did the right thing. I understand about changing food on such a young pup and even though the breeder is feeding Purina Puppy Chow (Ugh!!!), we are going to ween her from that after a few weeks. We certainly don't want to upset her more than necessary just moving her from one place to another.
So am I understanding everyone correctly? Did I purchase the wrong food? The instructions say it's for "small or medium breeds"? Do I need to get something else?? HELP!!!

RileyDC 01-21-2013 08:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ldyrev1 (Post 4112219)
So am I understanding everyone correctly? Did I purchase the wrong food? The instructions say it's for "small or medium breeds"? Do I need to get something else?? HELP!!!
Nope!
If you bought the Canine Caviar Holistic Puppy Chicken Grain-Free Dry Dog Food you got the right one!! :thumbup: :thumbup:

Britster 01-21-2013 08:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RileyDC (Post 4112092)
You are correct!! :thumbup:
I just bought a bag of Wilderness yesterday.
Excited to try the Buffalo when it hits the shelves!!
Did you see my post?

Technically, I guess she's "correct" but, just for other posters to know, before feeding a food with that much phosphorus (only the Buffalo and Ocean formula!):

Quote:
Originally Posted by Britster (Post 4111129)
The MAXIMUM phosphorus allowed according to AAFCO is 1.6%.

The buffalo formula is 1.5% MINIMUM. Meaning it could be a lot more. It also is 2.0% calcium. Wild Ocean is Calcium 2.4% min, Phosphorus 1.7% min. The other formulas are fine, the duck is low in ash.

For example, fats on dog food labels are on a minimum basis. A food that reads 13% could actually go as high as 19%. If you check out a food like Innova, they provide the *full* nutrient analysis and give you minimums and maximums.

A 1.5% or 1.6% *minimum* phosphorus content would make me extremely nervous in terms of kidney damage long-term.

Fromm Adult Gold has an ash content of 5.62% on an as-is basis, with phosphorus at 1.03% as-is basis.

Anything with a calcium/phos content of over 1.5% typically has very high ash as well.
I'm not trying to be a debbie downer, I just think it's important to know these details when choosing to feed a food! I never did before... so I know this is news to a lot of ppl.


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