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mtcoco 04-22-2012 09:45 AM
Poop more with grain free doggy food?
 
Hi, I was feeding RC for yorkie puppie and just changed to "Now" but she was kind picky so I have chicken strip can doggy food to mix with "Now"
I love the size and store lady recommended so we start feeding her but
I noticed Truffle (3.1 lbs, 27weeks old girl fed 1/4 cup x2 , it's same cup size RC and "Now" mix w/little bit Chicken strip ) used to poop only 2-3 times a day (small size - medium) but now MOG she's like little poop machine! but big healthy poops 3-4 times a day! :eek:
Is a healthy for her to poop so much more than other grain dog foods?
and which way is healthier for them less poo or lots of poo a day?!

Thanks
Sorry.... it's all about poo story but it's about baby's poo :)

Britster 04-22-2012 10:07 AM
Hmmm... I guess it just depends on the doggy. :) Each one is different.

For a pup, I wouldn't say 3-4 is abnormal, but if it's more than she used to... maybe you are over-feeding a bit? Which particular Now! formula are you feeding? Some are higher calorie and less needs to be fed.

Or maybe a certain ingredient is not agreeing with her, etc. But I'd say as long as they are normal poops (not soft, or runny, etc) then I wouldn't worry too much - food transitions can sometimes take a while.

Sheldonsmom 04-22-2012 10:10 AM
Hahahaha! Yup, I totally agree with you.

Sheldon will be 22 weeks tomorrow and he is 5.4 lbs. He eats Now grain free and OMG!!! The poopers are extremely big and frequent hehehehe They are healthy too. He goes 4 to 5 times a day, sometimes more, I feed him 3 times a day.

No much help here but just wanted to sympathize with you and see what others have to say.

I also noticed that he has been swallowing his kibble whole, he is on the small breed and the kibble is so tiny that he hardly chews it.

mtcoco 04-22-2012 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Britster (Post 3892186)
Hmmm... I guess it just depends on the doggy. :) Each one is different.

For a pup, I wouldn't say 3-4 is abnormal, but if it's more than she used to... maybe you are over-feeding a bit? Which particular Now! formula are you feeding? Some are higher calorie and less needs to be fed.

Or maybe a certain ingredient is not agreeing with her, etc. But I'd say as long as they are normal poops (not soft, or runny, etc) then I wouldn't worry too much - food transitions can sometimes take a while.

I am going to keep eye on her poops!!! lol yes, at least it's healthy poops.
;)

mtcoco 04-22-2012 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom (Post 3892191)
Hahahaha! Yup, I totally agree with you.

Sheldon will be 22 weeks tomorrow and he is 5.4 lbs. He eats Now grain free and OMG!!! The poopers are extremely big and frequent hehehehe They are healthy too. He goes 4 to 5 times a day, sometimes more, I feed him 3 times a day.

No much help here but just wanted to sympathize with you and see what others have to say.

I also noticed that he has been swallowing his kibble whole, he is on the small breed and the kibble is so tiny that he hardly chews it.
:D I know exactly what you talking about the huge poops!!! healthy but really I don't know where in that little belly hiding these poops at!?
I am going to keep eye on her about chewing or not because her "Now"
is also the small breed kibbles too.

;)

Sheldonsmom 04-22-2012 02:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Britster (Post 3892186)
Hmmm... I guess it just depends on the doggy. :) Each one is different.

For a pup, I wouldn't say 3-4 is abnormal, but if it's more than she used to... maybe you are over-feeding a bit? Which particular Now! formula are you feeding? Some are higher calorie and less needs to be fed.

Or maybe a certain ingredient is not agreeing with her, etc. But I'd say as long as they are normal poops (not soft, or runny, etc) then I wouldn't worry too much - food transitions can sometimes take a while.

Now grain free small breed is 430 cal per cup. I notice he eats it faster because he doesn't spend time chewing the kibble, he inhales it like a vacuum machine. I am switching him to a lower calorie food as soon as he is done with this one.

gracielove 04-22-2012 04:58 PM
Gee, Gracie has been on grain free for a long time and has the smallest stools I have ever seen. I have heard that flax seed can cause a dog to go a lot. I'd check the ingredient list to see if there is something that could be causing this problem.

Sheldonsmom 04-22-2012 05:01 PM
Yup, Now has flax seeds.

LovinOurYorkies 04-22-2012 05:36 PM
Flax seeds in dog food and more frequent poo(ing)... interesting. I love learning new things on YT!

gracielove 04-22-2012 06:28 PM
I guess that ground flax seeds are ok in a limited amount but flax seeds can be to much fiber for some dogs.

mtcoco 04-22-2012 06:58 PM
Thank you so much for all this great informations!!! I can't believe how much she is pooping and big solid ones! we are almost done with "Now" and thinking about some other good puppy dry foods. I am going to try the Orijen 80/20 and see how she do with it. I found this below.....
"thout flaxseed?
Not just the Taste of the Wild Salmon, all varieties of Taste of the Wild do not have flaxseed.
Canidae Grain Free ALS does not have flaxseed.
The regular Adult Orijen also does not have flaxseed.
And the new Orijen product "Red" is another one."

very interesting!

gracielove 04-23-2012 06:28 AM
Your not the first with this problem. I originally found some of the information here on YT when other people were having some of the same problems. I was also looking for a good grain free recently. I feed raw frozen right now but when I travel I need something that is easier to feed. Somewhere in my search I ran into the flax seed issue. They say the dog cannot even digest the flax seed enough to get the benefits of the nutrients in flax seed. Flax is a very good ingredient if it is ground first. When listed as flax seed it is in the original form that does more harm than good.
Orijen seems to be a pretty good grain free. I like the look of the quality of their ingredients.

mtcoco 04-24-2012 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 3893350)
Your not the first with this problem. I originally found some of the information here on YT when other people were having some of the same problems. I was also looking for a good grain free recently. I feed raw frozen right now but when I travel I need something that is easier to feed. Somewhere in my search I ran into the flax seed issue. They say the dog cannot even digest the flax seed enough to get the benefits of the nutrients in flax seed. Flax is a very good ingredient if it is ground first. When listed as flax seed it is in the original form that does more harm than good.
Orijen seems to be a pretty good grain free. I like the look of the quality of their ingredients.
I am glad that you mention about I'm not the only one who had same question in YT :) we are tested "Orijen" this morning and night.
so far she is eating and chewing better than "NOW"( with small kibbles)
so I'll find out in few days if she reduce poop time or no change....
if it dose not change, then she must be the natural poop machine girl!!! lol

Sheldonsmom 04-30-2012 03:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mtcoco (Post 3895408)
I am glad that you mention about I'm not the only one who had same question in YT :) we are tested "Orijen" this morning and night.
so far she is eating and chewing better than "NOW"( with small kibbles)
so I'll find out in few days if she reduce poop time or no change....
if it dose not change, then she must be the natural poop machine girl!!! lol

How is your girl doing with the new food?
I reduced the amount of food Sheldon is eating and he is pooping about 3 sometimes 4. I guess that's better than 5 hahaha

mtcoco 04-30-2012 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Sheldonsmom (Post 3900750)
How is your girl doing with the new food?
I reduced the amount of food Sheldon is eating and he is pooping about 3 sometimes 4. I guess that's better than 5 hahaha

UPdate!
Hi Sheldonsmom. hahahah Truffles on "Arjin" with little of chicken strip (can food) and She reduced few time a day!! :D
she poops 3-4 times of healthy solid long ones. hahah
I'm glad to hear your baby is reduced as well! :thumbup:

Sheldonsmom 04-30-2012 09:48 AM
Hahaha, glad to hear!

abbie's mom 04-30-2012 10:07 AM
When a dog poo's a lot (several times a day, large quantities), it is an indication that their bodies are not using the nutrients from what they take in (food). Grain-FREE food is always best, as grain cannot be broken down and utilized by canines, and grain can cause many allergies. :)

Sheldonsmom 04-30-2012 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 3901038)
When a dog poo's a lot (several times a day, large quantities), it is an indication that their bodies are not using the nutrients from what they take in (food). Grain-FREE food is always best, as grain cannot be broken down and utilized by canines, and grain can cause many allergies. :)
Sheldon is eating Now grain free but still pooping a lot. We are switching to Nature's Variety limited ingredient.
Thanks!

mtcoco 04-30-2012 11:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 3901038)
When a dog poo's a lot (several times a day, large quantities), it is an indication that their bodies are not using the nutrients from what they take in (food). Grain-FREE food is always best, as grain cannot be broken down and utilized by canines, and grain can cause many allergies. :)
Hi, abbie's mom! You are so right! Truffles's poops were bigger, solid poops before but now it's healthy solid but skinnier size ;)
thank you so much for great information!
I can't live without YT :D

Nancy1999 04-30-2012 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 3901038)
When a dog poo's a lot (several times a day, large quantities), it is an indication that their bodies are not using the nutrients from what they take in (food). Grain-FREE food is always best, as grain cannot be broken down and utilized by canines, and grain can cause many allergies. :)
I have to disagree with you here, it's true that canines cannot break down uncooked grains, but they can utilized cooked grains. While there are some dogs who are sensitive grains, this isn't true of all dogs and there is no proof that other carbs are better for dogs.
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Carbohydrates
Carbohydrates may originate from grains (rice, wheat, barley, oats, corn etc.) or alternative sources like potatoes, sweet potatoes, tapioca or peas. The claim that all carbohydrates in commercial dog food are nothing but fillers and can not be digested by dogs is incorrect - properly cooked (as in extruded and baked dry foods as well as canned foods) they are highly digestible and valuable sources of energy. • The tolerance of amounts and types varies, some dogs do better with more carbs in their diet than others, and some do better on grain-free foods with alternative sources.
• For certain health conditions it is beneficial to avoid high-gluten grains like barley, wheat, rye or oats and favor low gluten ones like rice, millet, amaranth, quinoa and sorghum (milo).
• Quality is also important, since grains deemed unfit for human consumption (often contaminated with mold) can legally still be used for animal feed.
• Whole, unprocessed grains (also listed as "ground" or in "meal" form) retain all the nutrients in the bran layer, the original fat content and the endosperm. Grain fragments and flours are incomplete and may have already lost much of their nutritional value during processing and storage. Some manufacturers include one fragment (most commonly brewer�s rice) to lower product cost, which is acceptable if whole grains or starchy vegetables are also present. Be wary of products that consist mainly of fragments and flours. Flours are highly refined and while not harmful, contain less valuable nutrients and more refined carbohydrates than whole ground grains.
• Be careful of "splitting" of ingredients, such as for example rice, rice flour and rice bran all appearing in an ingredient list. Added together they would appear much higher on the ingredient listhttp://www.dogfoodproject.com/index.php?page=betterproducts The Dog Food Project - Identifying better products

gracielove 04-30-2012 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by mtcoco (Post 3901148)
Hi, abbie's mom! You are so right! Truffles's poops were bigger, solid poops before but now it's healthy solid but skinnier size ;)
thank you so much for great information!
I can't live without YT :D
I'm glad your Truffle is doing better. Ground flax seed is a good ingredient so I don't understand why some companies are using whole flax seed that can be so harmful to the delicate digestion of some dogs.( smaller dogs in particular) They just cannot tolerate so much fiber in their food and are unable to digest the seed so they get none of the benefit of the flax.

Sheldonsmom 05-01-2012 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 3901664)
I'm glad your Truffle is doing better. Ground flax seed is a good ingredient so I don't understand why some companies are using whole flax seed that can be so harmful to the delicate digestion of some dogs.( smaller dogs in particular) They just cannot tolerate so much fiber in their food and are unable to digest the seed so they get none of the benefit of the flax.
I agree, after researching for a dog food with no potatoes or flax seeds I realized only a few company listed ground flax seeds as their ingredients, most of them jut say flax seeds and found 1 or 2 that said whole flax seeds.

RileyDC 05-01-2012 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by abbie's mom (Post 3901038)
When a dog poo's a lot (several times a day, large quantities), it is an indication that their bodies are not using the nutrients from what they take in (food). Grain-FREE food is always best, as grain cannot be broken down and utilized by canines, and grain can cause many allergies. :)

When a dog poo's a lot (several times a day, large quantities), it is an indication that their bodies are not using the nutrients from what they take in (food)

I have been told and have read the Same Thing!! I know Riley's poo's are much smaller, firm and have no smell when I am feeding him his Primal Raw morning and night. :thumbup: :D

gracielove 05-01-2012 06:06 AM
It is really hard to find a grain free that does not use white potato in place of grain. Sweet potato is a much better and more nutritious substitute. However, few use sweet potato exclusively. White potatoes are not a great food for humans to eat on a regular basis much less feed it to our little dogs on a regular basis. Too much starch that raises the glycemic index. There is so much diabetes in dogs these days and it is a diet driven disease. I feed frozen grain free raw and it is the closest to the perfect food I have found but for traveling it doesn't work so I am always checking out the grain free brands to see if any have changed their ways.

Sheldonsmom 05-01-2012 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 3901898)
It is really hard to find a grain free that does not use white potato in place of grain. Sweet potato is a much better and more nutritious substitute. However, few use sweet potato exclusively. White potatoes are not a great food for humans to eat on a regular basis much less feed it to our little dogs on a regular basis. Too much starch that raises the glycemic index. There is so much diabetes in dogs these days and it is a diet driven disease. I feed frozen grain free raw and it is the closest to the perfect food I have found but for traveling it doesn't work so I am always checking out the grain free brands to see if any have changed their ways.
Nature's Variety has a grain free with no potatoes.

gracielove 05-02-2012 12:08 AM
I just looked it up on Nature's Variety Instinct Dry Dog Food | Review and Rating
Have you ever used this? I am just a little concerned about a bit too much fiber being in this one, too. The pumpkin seeds and tomato pomace are bit concerning but not a huge issue if they digest well. I would rather see omega3's in the food but I have a supplement anyway. It does seem to be a good choice of a grain free food. Would love to hear of any results anyone has had with it.:)

Sheldonsmom 05-02-2012 02:32 AM
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Originally Posted by gracielove (Post 3903094)
I just looked it up on Nature's Variety Instinct Dry Dog Food | Review and Rating
Have you ever used this? I am just a little concerned about a bit too much fiber being in this one, too. The pumpkin seeds and tomato pomace are bit concerning but not a huge issue if they digest well. I would rather see omega3's in the food but I have a supplement anyway. It does seem to be a good choice of a grain free food. Would love to hear of any results anyone has had with it.:)
I think there are a few people here that feed it to their dogs. The also feed the raw.

We just started Sheldon on this food, he is eating limited ingredient grain free turkey, I am 1st time dog owner and I did a lot of research before deciding what to feed him and I was not aware of the fiber content. I am going to look and compare.

Sheldonsmom 05-02-2012 03:09 AM
Just did a quick research and found out that Fromm, Acana foods has the same % as Nature's Variety. 3.5% fiber.
Now by petcurean has 4%

MY OSCAR 05-02-2012 07:57 AM
i feed natures variety intsinct frozen raw
oscar is doing quite well on it.
i just have to say that there is no one food out there
that will be perfect for every dog.
i guess you just do what is right for your own dog
no matter what the ingredients may be...
at least that is what i try to do ..

gracielove 05-02-2012 09:00 AM
I really feel that a good grain free raw is one of the best foods you can feed your dog. I am feeding a grain free raw but am looking for a grain free kibble type food for travel since frozen does not travel well. The flax seed that is whole and not ground has been known to create a lot of extra poo in many dogs, small ones in particular. The nutrients of flax seed that is not ground are not able to enter into the dog as it should either. Flax seed is a good ingredient if it is ground but causes more harm than good in it's in it's original state.


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