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capt_noonie 09-19-2011 03:27 PM
Meat alternatives instead of chicken?
 
I gave up grains for Uni's diet to see if she would stop scratching. It seemed to work for a few weeks, but now it's back again. I thought it was the grains but no that would have been too easy huh. I am not aware of anyone sneaking her any carbs or treats with grains. So maybe it is the chicken? :( What should I try next? She likes fish but it's kind of a hassle to prep and bf hates the smell. She cannot eat lamb, that was what triggered her pancreatitis. What now?

jadabug 09-19-2011 03:29 PM
Jada has severe allergies to chicken. She eats Venison as her protein and does great on it.

LMAO I love your avatar:D

ArmaniMan 09-19-2011 03:30 PM
How about lean beef?

capt_noonie 09-19-2011 03:32 PM
Where in the heck would I get venison?

What cut of beef do you think would be ok?

capt_noonie 09-19-2011 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by jadabug (Post 3671398)
Jada has severe allergies to chicken. She eats Venison as her protein and does great on it.

LMAO I love your avatar:D
What are the symptoms to the chicken? Sever scratching and paw licking or is it worse? How did you find out it was the chicken? Venison is deer right?

roseylovestosho 09-19-2011 03:34 PM
Teddy had that scratching issue too...I started to give him the natural balance limited diet (so most grains are removed) fish and sweet potato formula and he is no longer itching. I've suspected a chicken allergy for a while though. I'm sorry...I'm probably not much help since you clearly cook and don't want to feed fish..

jadabug 09-19-2011 03:35 PM
I guess you could go hunt down some:D seriously, I use Natural balance Sweet Potato and Venison Limited Ingredient Diet. It is the only food after trying about 4 or 5 in the last 2 years that Jada is thriving on and she doesn't itch and has good poops. Lisa says there isn't a cut of beef that compares:p

Ellie May 09-19-2011 03:38 PM
Turkey breast?

Chicken and beef are among the most common food allergens. Be very careful with any type of meat with fat marbled in it (beef, pork, lamb, probably venison, etc.). If you try beef, make sure it is very high quality and extremely lean.

capt_noonie 09-19-2011 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by jadabug (Post 3671408)
I guess you could go hunt down some:D seriously, I use Natural balance Sweet Potato and Venison Limited Ingredient Diet. It is the only food after trying about 4 or 5 in the last 2 years that Jada is thriving on and she doesn't itch and has good poops. Lisa says there isn't a cut of beef that compares:p
Oh I will take a look at that then. I just love Honest Kitchen. Do you have a fat % for the NB? :)

jadabug 09-19-2011 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3671405)
What are the symptoms to the chicken? Sever scratching and paw licking or is it worse? How did you find out it was the chicken? Venison is deer right?
I really found out by accident when she had runny poos last summer. I gave her chicken and rice and she started scratching horribly. Dug half the hair off her head. I took her in and she had to have a shot and was put on hydroxyzine and changed her kibble to Natural Balance LID,She had been good for over a year and I accidentally gave her one of Bogie's treats that have chicken liver in them...same scenario back to the vet for shots and more hydroxyzine. All from a piece of treat that was the size of my pinky fingernail. She would also have runny poops at least once a month. Since switching to the Natural Balance...no itching and no runny poops for the last 12 months. Fish also causes her to have runny poops.

roseylovestosho 09-19-2011 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3671413)
Oh I will take a look at that then. I just love Honest Kitchen. Do you have a fat % for the NB? :)
it's about 10%

capt_noonie 09-19-2011 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by jadabug (Post 3671416)
I really found out by accident when she had runny poos last summer. I gave her chicken and rice and she started scratching horribly. Dug half the hair off her head. I took her in and she had to have a shot and was put on hydroxyzine and changed her kibble to Natural Balance LID,She had been good for over a year and I accidentally gave her one of Bogie's treats that have chicken liver in them...same scenario back to the vet for shots and more hydroxyzine. All from a piece of treat that was the size of my pinky fingernail. She would also have runny poops at least once a month. Since switching to the Natural Balance...no itching and no runny poops for the last 7 months. Fish also causes her to have runny poops.
Thanks for the info. ETA: Poor baby :(

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Originally Posted by roseylovestosho (Post 3671417)
it's about 10%
That's not too bad! Maybe I can mix it with her HK?:D Do they sell it at Petsmart? We're still boycotting Petco right? LOL

roseylovestosho 09-19-2011 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3671420)
Thanks for the info.


That's not too bad! Maybe I can mix it with her HK?:D Do they sell it at Petsmart? We're still boycotting Petco right? LOL
LOL I'm not sure I usually order it from amazon since it arrives in 2 days; 3.99 for overnight shipping, no taxes and if you use igive proceeds go to YHR :)

jadabug 09-19-2011 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3671413)
Oh I will take a look at that then. I just love Honest Kitchen. Do you have a fat % for the NB? :)
Crude Protein 20.0% minimum
Crude Fat 10.0% minimum
Crude Fiber 4.0% maximum
Moisture 10.0% maximum
Calcium 1.1% minimum
Phosphorous 0.9% minimum
Omega-3 Fatty Acids 0.5% minimum
Omega-6 Fatty Acids 2.0% minimum
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance® L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets® Sweet Potato & Venison Formula For Dogs is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the A.A.F.C.O. dog food nutrient profile for all life stages.

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sugarmamma 09-19-2011 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Ellie May (Post 3671411)
Turkey breast?

Chicken and beef are among the most common food allergens. Be very careful with any type of meat with fat marbled in it (beef, pork, lamb, probably venison, etc.). If you try beef, make sure it is very high quality and extremely lean.
My brother shot and dressed and butchered the deer. If you send it to a processor they sometimes add beef suet to the venison because it is total lean muscle mass. Not an ounce of fat on it.

capt_noonie 09-19-2011 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jadabug (Post 3671423)
Crude Protein 20.0% minimum
Crude Fat 10.0% minimum
Crude Fiber 4.0% maximum
Moisture 10.0% maximum
Calcium 1.1% minimum
Phosphorous 0.9% minimum
Omega-3 Fatty Acids 0.5% minimum
Omega-6 Fatty Acids 2.0% minimum
Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance® L.I.D. Limited Ingredient Diets® Sweet Potato & Venison Formula For Dogs is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the A.A.F.C.O. dog food nutrient profile for all life stages.

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Protein seems a little high for Uni but if I cut it with the HK I hope it will be fine. That's for finding that info for me.

jadabug 09-19-2011 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3671420)
Thanks for the info. ETA: Poor baby :(


That's not too bad! Maybe I can mix it with her HK?:D Do they sell it at Petsmart? We're still boycotting Petco right? LOL
I was ordering from Amazon until I went to the company website to see who the retailers are near me. Come to find out there is a Doggy bed and breakfast about 5 miles from work that is one of their suppliers.

jadabug 09-19-2011 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3671427)
Protein seems a little high for Uni but if I cut it with the HK I hope it will be fine. That's for finding that info for me.
No problem, I know what it is like to find a food that agrees with allergies and tummy issues. It is the pits:(

capt_noonie 09-19-2011 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by sugarmamma (Post 3671426)
My brother shot and dressed and butchered the deer. If you send it to a processor they sometimes add beef suet to the venison because it is total lean muscle mass. Not an ounce of fat on it.
Do you get your venison from your brother? I'm surprised my fancy international market does not have it in the case. I think they may have it frozen. What is beef suet?

capt_noonie 09-19-2011 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jadabug (Post 3671428)
I was ordering from Amazon until I went to the company website to see who the retailers are near me. Come to find out there is a Doggy bed and breakfast about 5 miles from work that is one of their suppliers.
:eek: CUTE!

sugarmamma 09-19-2011 03:54 PM
I get mine from my brother but I *have* seen it in specialty mean shops here too.

Or you can get a venison and sweet potato kibble.


Oh, Beef suet is just beef fat because the venison is very lean and tends to dry out without it added in.

capt_noonie 09-19-2011 03:59 PM
Ooohhh! I know what it is now! It's that webby fat stuff they use on Iron Chef all the time. I didn't know it was spelled like that.

Come to think of it, there is a new fancy butcher shop that just opened in the next city. I hear they are expensive though. =/

Perrella 09-19-2011 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by jadabug (Post 3671408)
I guess you could go hunt down some:D seriously, I use Natural balance Sweet Potato and Venison Limited Ingredient Diet. It is the only food after trying about 4 or 5 in the last 2 years that Jada is thriving on and she doesn't itch and has good poops. Lisa says there isn't a cut of beef that compares:p
I think I'm going to give this a try for Zhoie, where do you get it? I was just reading about it on a Dr. vet website the other day.

jadabug 09-19-2011 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Perrella (Post 3671451)
I think I'm going to give this a try for Zhoie, where do you get it? I was just reading about it on a Dr. vet website the other day.
Tena I get mine from a little Bed and Breakfast for dogs, they are the only place locally that carries it. I ordered from Amazon before I found out they sold it. Here is a link to find out if anyone in your area sells it.Natural Balance Store Locator

capt_noonie 09-19-2011 04:16 PM
Yay! I feed store I buy my HK from carries it! :)

Perrella 09-19-2011 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jadabug (Post 3671456)
Tena I get mine from a little Bed and Breakfast for dogs, they are the only place locally that carries it. I ordered from Amazon before I found out they sold it. Here is a link to find out if anyone in your area sells it.Natural Balance Store Locator
Thanks Michele, the specialty store-Bentley's only about 1 mile from me where I buy her TOTW carries it. I'm going to go tomorrow at lunch and see what they have.

BanditSocks2 09-19-2011 04:22 PM
Good luck with your food allergy dilemma! Could you rotate with turkey or would that be to similar to chicken?

capt_noonie 09-19-2011 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by BanditSocks2 (Post 3671476)
Good luck with your food allergy dilemma! Could you rotate with turkey or would that be to similar to chicken?
That's what I was wondering. Is turkey different enough from chicken? What is it exactly that dogs are allergic to within the chicken?

jadabug 09-19-2011 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3671503)
That's what I was wondering. Is turkey different enough from chicken? What is it exactly that dogs are allergic to within the chicken?
I have wondered that too...but I am to "chicken" to try turkey as severe as Jada's reactions to the chicken are.

Britster 09-19-2011 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 3671427)
Protein seems a little high for Uni but if I cut it with the HK I hope it will be fine. That's for finding that info for me.
20% protein is actually really low... like some of the lowest you will find on dry kibbles. Just as an FYI. :) I think legally a food cannot go lower than, like, 16%. But someone correct me if I am wrong on this. But yeah I have never seen a food lower than 18% protein.


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