Teeth extraction....
 

My yorkies baby canines are still intact (not loose) and the permanent ones are halfway in..at what point and when do you have them extracted if they don't fall out? Should you get a yorkie the Lepto vaccine? Maybe a questions for a breeder? or anyone that knows.. Thanks!

At 6 months I took Sassy to the vet. Her permanent teeth were just piercing the skin inside her baby incisors. The vet suggested having the baby teeth both extracted at a cost of $500-$600 dollars. It's funny because the next week one of the teeth feel out on its own. There was still one left. Ive researched about when baby teeth should fall out on there own and got different answers. A few blogs even suggested getting ones finger and gently moving the tooth back and forth sideways. Well guess what after a month or so of doing this the second tooth came out. Now I'm no expert on Yorkshire Terriers but just wanted to share my experience, GOOD LUCK.

Retained baby teeth should, if possible, be removed at the same time as spay/ neuter. It prevents the dog from having to go under multiple times. I usually recommend holding off a little on a spay/ neuter if baby teeth are retained and giving them a chance to fall out on their own- my Chloe's teeth finally fell out at 9 months old, she was spayed at 10 months old.

Whether or not to give lepto really depends on how bad it is in your area- I chose not to give lepto to either of mine because the vet didn't feel like they were high risk at all. This is really something to discuss with your vet. Whether or not you give lepto make sure that you only give one shot at a time.

I just came back from the vet and for the 4 fangs and 1 incisor will be $550 lowest to $640 (includes bloodwork) thats without a spay. Darn!! The bottom fangs are side by side and they have to come out as they are being pushed inward..my luck and they said I shouldnt wait on it. Getting another estimate from "my" vet to see what they come up with. Darn these little ones are expensive!!:eek:

Roxy did get separate shots.. lepto is the last one.. guess I will wait till spring when she is older. She said that she is not at high risk for it now. Thanks for your input everyone!

Jezebel's bottom fangs did exactly the same as what you describe, the adult teeth coming in on the inside of the baby teeth. The baby teeth did loosen up and come out on their own, and the adult teeth moved outward into the proper position. I waited until about 8 months for her spay just to give all of the teeth a chance to fall out on their own. The only ones that had to be removed were the 2 upper canines, and I think I was charged only about $20 each.

A good portion of the costs for any surgery is the pre-surgical bloodwork, anesthesia, OR equipment, pain meds. You will only have to pay these costs once if you get the teeth done the same time as the spay. Not to mention the risk of going under anesthesia twice if you get this done separately.

If I were you, I would wait a little longer to give them as much of a chance as possible to let them fall out on their own. Give your pup things to chew on and play tug of war.

My vet does them when I get the pup fixed and only charges me $20 a tooth because the dog is already put under for the spay/neuter. You should ask how much when you fix them. It seems very excessive to charge $500- 600 when you are already getting a spay. Good Luck.

Check around. My vet only charged $15 per tooth for Scarlett when she went in to have her spay.

Got the second estimate from the vet I deal with with my other dog and cats and its only $250 for the 5 teeth, bloodwork and lepto shot..which Im not doing now. The bottom baby canines (fangs) are pushing the adult teeth inward. Im holding off on the spay.. I have friends and family that would like a puppy. If she is healthy and all tests come back that she is sound..I may have her bred once. We shall see. Thanks for telling me your experiences. I go tomorrow for the pre op check, maybe this vet will say something different. Should they be taken out if they are side to side instead of front to back (fangs) in these little dogs?

Sigh.

:yeahthat: I'm sighing too....

:rolleyes:

Well if your little one is healthy... why not refer your friends/family to the breeder you got them from (I'm assuming they were reputable)? If they can't afford your breeder, how about a rescue? Plenty of dogs that need homes.

That way you can spay your girl and not put her in danger by breeding without prior experience... and everyone can have a happy, healthy pup! :D

Just a thought...

and who says I haven't!! ;) This will be a very calculated decision..don't lose sleep over it! Thanks for your caring thoughts.

Well I'm assuming from the questions in your original post that you've never bred a Yorkie because a well researched/mentored breeder would know if they should have the lepto vaccine and when teeth would be removed (from owning and caring for the breed in many aspects)... just saying. :rolleyes: You also said that those may be questions for a breeder... meaning you aren't one according to yourself.

I just want you to be careful that's all because I know you must love your baby a lot! :thumbup:

Breeding yorkies is a whole different animal from breeding other dogs from what I've read... Your baby could be put in serious danger from you breeding her without the proper knowledge.

Your family/friends could all get happy pups from your breeder who is more experienced (and I'm just assuming here reputable) and knows her lines and which dogs are of breeding quality. Or if they can't afford that, rescues are a great option. I do not think you should be breeding your girl and should consider a spay, but that is just my opinion.

Funny thing.. but I don't remember asking for your opinion about breeding. Every precaution will be taken that all goes well should the decision to breed warrant itself. It's sad that posters like you and the ones with the "sigh" remarks ruin it for people who are looking for Yorkie information. I noticed my yorkies baby teeth were still tightly intact with the adult tooth halfway in. I knew that little dogs have more problems with there teeth..so I googled it..hmm.. there are a lot of posts here about it. Just wanted to hear what others "experienced".. she has already been seen by 2 vets with the same diagnoses that they should be extracted right away so Dec. 5th is the day. Mind you that the 2 estimates were quite a bit different in price. My long time vet will be doing the extractions. Roxy was seen by another local vet when I got her because I couldn't get her into my vet for a week after I got her. This vet was great also. So I went to this other vet where she received her checkup and puppy shots. (Hence the reason for the 2 different vets.) The lepto question.. was just merrily that.. I do take my dogs swimming.. so they do have the shot.. being a small dog I was JUST wondering if anyones dog had a bad reaction to it.. I'm not into over vaccinating my animals.. Especially my Goldens. I guess I should have reworded it better.

While I was at the vet we had a conversation about having her bred she said that under the "right circumstances" it is safer for a dog to bear puppies than to have a spay w/anesthesia. No one should take breeding a dog lightly.. it is very expensive and can be even more expensive should something go wrong..and like you said there is always a chance of losing her. But that is the same as when we decide to have babies. You don't tell your daughter..oh... let me birth your kids for you because you don't know how to do it! Seriously.. thats what you are saying about leaving it up to a breeder to breed. How do you think they gained their wisdom. This is not a puppy mill situation.. all puppies will already have homes and will be neutered or spayed..NOT for YOU to worry. I helped a dog whelp a litter of 10 puppies where I had to take the sacks off and cut the cords and supplement them until the mom settled in with them. Thankfully she did! I even removed the dewclaws and cauterized the spots with a vets instruction. Its amazing what you can do with confidence and the willing to learn.

You talked about the Pro's for spaying, everyone hears the pros..have you ever read the cons? Don't get me wrong..I am most definitely for spaying and neutering (my other animals are) but don't mislead people that its all so safe..there is danger in many things we do for our animals. There is no doubt that it is the right thing to do for pet population control but not without it's dangers.

So with having said all this.. please be respectful to people posting on here..they are here to learn..you can never stop learning.. but when posters like you and the others that give "sigh" remarks come along, it really ruins what they have going here. My dog experience is extensive.. showing (Champion Gordon Setter), training, groomer, greyhound rescue, fostering so please don't undermine the people that come to gain more information through other peoples experiences. Give your opinion when asked..please...

Drawbacks of sterilization
Any surgery has drawbacks. Dogs can react badly to anesthesia in spite of precautions or can experience complications during recovery. Some dogs react negatively to the suture material used, and incisions do not heal properly.
Concurrent with the increase in laws and regulations regarding pet sterilization, research since 1990 has shown that spay and neuter surgeries may have specific drawbacks as well as benefits. Dogs neutered before puberty tend to have longer legs, flatter chests, and narrower skulls that intact dogs of their breeds because the hormones that regulate sexual activity also interact with hormones that guide growth of muscles, bones, and tendons. These physical differences can place more stress on joints and can cause problems for active dogs, especially those in training for agility and those that work in physically stressful jobs.
Additional drawbacks specific to spay surgery include increased incidence of bladder incontinence, triple the frequency of thyroid disease, and higher risk of some cancers, joint problems, and obesity and adverse reactions to vaccinations.

Funny thing is, that when you post something on a public forum, you WILL get opinions.

And any vet that tells you that it's safer for dog to whelp rather than undergo spay/neutering is one who's judgment should be questioned.

You should really try to just answer posters questions. Thats MY POINT. You are obviously a very opinionated person who loves to shove it down others people throats (check your posts).. Just give your opinion when someone asks for it, not even your opinion but your experiences, it would make for a better forum!

Incase you never had children.. childbirth as puppybirth, is a very NATURAL occurence and much safer than cutting and anesthesia. Any vet that says other.. "I" would question. It's obvious you don't take a 7lb bitch and breed her with a 10lb stud..etc.. there is a lot to be said here..but WE aren't going there.. NOW focus... I am not asking for your opinion about breeding, vets, etc.. If you have something to add about "at what age and if you had any teeth extractions with your yorkie ..I would love to hear about it!

Let's first begin with the fact that when you post on a public board, the things posted here are not just for the OP, but future readers as well. Your questions about the Lepto and teeth extraction were answered. The conversation then turned to breeding. If you don't like the fact that the conversation turned, feel free to stop participating in the thread or, better yet, send a pm to the admin and ask them to close the thread. If my responses bother you so much on other threads, then I suggest you go to your user control panel and put me on your "ignore" list; doesn't matter to me in the slightest.

As for having children, yes I do have them. I also have 20+ years experience as an NICU nurse who's primary job is to attend high risk deliveries. While child birth is "natural" in the sense that the body does it, anyone who has experience in the field will be the first to tell you that there is nothing "safe" about it. Dying during birth is also "natural". It takes experienced people to know the danger signs that present in both the mother and the fetus to intervene properly. If any idiot could deliver a child safely, then there would be no need for hospitals, doctors, nurses, midwives and anesthesiologists. Unfortunately, I've seen far more bad outcomes with people who have refused interventions when required than those who knew when to step back and accept the help.

The same goes for whelping. It takes someone who has been properly trained by a good mentor to safely deliver their bitches. Picking up a few tips on the internet isn't going to cut it. Some people will get lucky. Many more won't. Take a look at the breeder section to see a few of the very sad stories about lost puppies and bitches. A spay or neuter done by an experienced vet who is up to date on anesthesia protocols and has performed the requisite pre-anesthesia testing on a Yorkie is far safer than a whelp.

The best breeders have studied the subject and their particular breeds for years before undertaking the risks. They are aware that it takes more than just knowing that you don't breed a 7 pound female to a 10 pound male. They know that the vast majority of Yorkies out there are not suitable for breeding. They have thoroughly investigated the health of the whole line they are planning on breeding. They have had their dogs tested. They have made sure their dogs are excellent representations of the breed, not just "cute". They know that with every whelp, there is a chance that they will lose their bitch or her pups. They are on the watch for things such as prolonged labors, infections and eclampsia and know how to intervene properly. They aren't flippant when it comes to breeding.

These breeders are very aware that a spay or neuter done with a properly trained vet is far safer than an inexperienced person breeding. They are also very aware that their job as a breeder doesn't stop once the puppies are whelped and the pups (hopefully) placed in to good homes. Unfortunately, those good breeders are far too rare.

Now, I'm done with you and this thread. I hope your little one has it's own guardian angel to look out for it's well being.

Yorkie problem!!
 

I have a 8 month female yorkie and shes had a bad habit of
Tearing up paper or toiletpaper. Iv tried many ways to
Mske her stop and she still wont listen. Does anyone know
How to stop that habit of hers.

thank you :)

You just couldn't bite your tongue..could you..lol.. :p Enough said! Just answer peoples questions and make this a much more pleasant forum!

Mine does it too..I just shut the bathroom door and keep paper out of her reach! Spray bottle (water) may work if you catch her in the act. Dogs just like to tear up paper.. I have a 8 year old golden that will still shread napkins!

At 9 months old my yorkie had not lost most of his teeth. He actually had two rows of upper teeth in his mouth. He had to have 11 teeth extracted. Luckily my vet charged me the sme whether he had to extract one tooth or 20, so my bill was not that much. He is on the tiny side (2.2 lbs at the time) and was very worried with him going under. Thank God all went well and when I picked him up from the vet, he acted like nothing ever happened. I, too, have researched a lot and have found that most yorkies are notorious for retaining their baby teeth. My Coco lost all her teeth on her own and at 5 years old has yet to have a teeth cleaning (the vet says maybe next year), but Beckham, who will be a year in a few weeks, needed to have most of his teeth extracted, hates the greenies, and I am thinking most likely would need a teeth cleaning sometime in his second year. We will see. Good luck to you.

So it will always be a habit of them then. Did the spray bottle kunda stopped the habit or they still keep doing it.

:thumbup::thumbup::yeahthat: All of it!

This is correct :). All members can post on this thread.

To the OP: all threads do have some leeway regarding the topic at hand, as that's the nature of discussion. Since you mentioned breeding in your first post of this thread, it's expected that some may comment. Thanks!

My question did not ask for opinions on breeding, I asked for peoples experience with puppy teething and extractions. This post has turned into nothing but obnoxious harassment. Do not harass me about what I do or don't do with my dog. You do not know me, my vet, my breeder my intentions. I was very involved with showing and the politics that surround it. I do have experience with breeding and birthing of puppies.. get over it. If my bitch is not within the standards, to small, health, temperment, if tests are not conclusive she will not be bred. My dogs breeder will be a part of the decision. I do not care what you "breeder police" have to say! You said your piece so let it alone. Is your life so empty and so pitiful that you have nothing better to do than harass people? There are people here that want to discuss the info I was looking for and not have it full of your obnoxious posts! I think posters get the hint that breeding without ethics is bad news. You have it all over your forum. This is not the case. Since the moderators are reading these posts I will ask that all posts not pertaining to my question of teeth extraction be removed. To the moderators : What happened to the friendly poster motto that you have? No harassing as part of the rules! This is Harassment so please either delete the post or delete the posts that do not pertain to the question that I asked. Thank you for your support on this matter.

Brenda2349 - please see my post, directly above yours -- that is still the answer. Stating opinions is not what we consider harassment. The thread was reviewed, and we don't see any posts that warrant deletion.

We won't be deleting your thread, however, I'll lock it for you. Thank you.