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cally930 09-17-2010 08:22 AM
Bile Acid Test
 
I took Beckham in for his Bile Acid Test today. I dropped him off at 8am and they called me at 11am that he was ready to go home. When I went to pick him up I assumed they were going to give me the results but they said they will most likely be in on Monday. From reading previous threads it looks like everyone else has gotten their results immediately.

First - I thought it went too quickly. Is 3 hours long enough?
Second - Do the tests usually go out to a lab before you get results?

bchgirl 09-17-2010 09:07 AM
Yes, 3 hours is long enough and yes, sometimes the blood work is processed outside the vet's office.

107barney 09-17-2010 10:38 AM
We always do outside blood work for BAT. In house blood work can be unreliable. Timing - the blood is drawn before eating and then 2 hours after eating for BAT.

luvfla 09-17-2010 11:08 AM
My kidz tests are always sent out so, yes, it does take a few days.

Patti 09-17-2010 01:24 PM
Cali's were done by an outside lab and took a few days to get results. Hoping you get good news.

yorkielady06 09-17-2010 04:29 PM
Bile acids are done pre and post prandial, meaning they draw the blood on a 12 hour fasted dog before eating. They then feed a high protein food (usually AD canned) then wait 2 hours and draw the post prandial. I always use an outside lab as in house ones are not as accurate and outside labs here double check for accuracy. Results are usually the next day or no later than 2 days after the draw.
Did you also have them do the liver panel and complete blood count?
Fingers crossed for good news for you and your pup.:)

cally930 09-17-2010 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3273817)
Bile acids are done pre and post prandial, meaning they draw the blood on a 12 hour fasted dog before eating. They then feed a high protein food (usually AD canned) then wait 2 hours and draw the post prandial. I always use an outside lab as in house ones are not as accurate and outside labs here double check for accuracy. Results are usually the next day or no later than 2 days after the draw.
Did you also have them do the liver panel and complete blood count?
Fingers crossed for good news for you and your pup.:)
Thank you for the info. And yes, they did a liver panel and blood count. So, I'll find out Monday. Thank you everyone for your support. I really do appreciate it.

107barney 09-17-2010 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3273817)
Bile acids are done pre and post prandial, meaning they draw the blood on a 12 hour fasted dog before eating. They then feed a high protein food (usually AD canned) then wait 2 hours and draw the post prandial. I always use an outside lab as in house ones are not as accurate and outside labs here double check for accuracy. Results are usually the next day or no later than 2 days after the draw.
Did you also have them do the liver panel and complete blood count?
Fingers crossed for good news for you and your pup.:)
BAT testing preprandial no longer requires a 12-hour fast per Dr. Center's protocol. I still fast my dog for consistent results because we started with fasting samples so I like to see the changes.

I also do not feed my dog AD canned for a BAT postprandial reading and never have nor has AD canned ever been suggested or recommended. The protocol suggests that the dog eat a normal meal of a normal size - so whatever the dog has been eating is what is usually fed.

107barney 09-17-2010 05:01 PM
How old is Beckham? BATs should be done in a puppy at 16 weeks and again at 6 months for reliable and interpretable results.

cally930 09-17-2010 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 3273844)
How old is Beckham? BATs should be done in a puppy at 16 weeks and again at 6 months for reliable and interpretable results.
He is 8 months old. Now, do you mean for accuracy it should be done twice. Why at 16 weeks and why at 6 months? Is it not as accurate - say you test him at 1 or 2 years old?

107barney 09-17-2010 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by cally930 (Post 3273849)
He is 8 months old. Now, do you mean for accuracy it should be done twice. Why at 16 weeks and why at 6 months? Is it not as accurate - say you test him at 1 or 2 years old?
Dr. Center's protocol states that puppies should be BAT tested at 16 weeks and again at 6 months old. So if your dog was younger than 16 weeks, I was pointing out the need to repeat it at least at age 6 mos. If he is 8 mos old, then it is probably going to be a reliable test result whereas young puppies may not be (due to many physiological changes occurring in developing pups and other factors).

Is this routine testing or is he having a problem?

cally930 09-17-2010 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 3273861)
Dr. Center's protocol states that puppies should be BAT tested at 16 weeks and again at 6 months old. So if your dog was younger than 16 weeks, I was pointing out the need to repeat it at least at age 6 mos. If he is 8 mos old, then it is probably going to be a reliable test result whereas young puppies may not be (due to many physiological changes occurring in developing pups and other factors).

Is this routine testing or is he having a problem?
He has retained his baby teeth - the entire top row and a couple on the bottom, so we need to have them removed. However, he is on the small side (2.5 lbs) and decided prior to having him go under anesthesia - lets just make sure that there are no underlying problems. He has already had xrays done - so that all looked good (that was done due a never ending cough - to rule out any trachea problems - cough is now gone). I am a little concerned because the tech just kind of said - "The doctor doesn't put any animal under 3lbs under anesthesia". He is scheduled for Friday, so I'm hoping at least that all the tests come back okay - and then I'll worry for the next thing. Any suggestions as to what I should be asking or saying when it comes to the anesthesia?

107barney 09-17-2010 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by cally930 (Post 3273869)
He has retained his baby teeth - the entire top row and a couple on the bottom, so we need to have them removed. However, he is on the small side (2.5 lbs) and decided prior to having him go under anesthesia - lets just make sure that there are no underlying problems. He has already had xrays done - so that all looked good (that was done due a never ending cough - to rule out any trachea problems - cough is now gone). I am a little concerned because the tech just kind of said - "The doctor doesn't put any animal under 3lbs under anesthesia". He is scheduled for Friday, so I'm hoping at least that all the tests come back okay - and then I'll worry for the next thing. Any suggestions as to what I should be asking or saying when it comes to the anesthesia?
Here is a sticky on anesthesia. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-protocol.html

Note that if your dog has a liver issue that may be revealed by the BAT testing, it important valium-type drugs NOT be used.

107barney 09-17-2010 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cally930 (Post 3273869)
He has retained his baby teeth - the entire top row and a couple on the bottom, so we need to have them removed. However, he is on the small side (2.5 lbs) and decided prior to having him go under anesthesia - lets just make sure that there are no underlying problems. He has already had xrays done - so that all looked good (that was done due a never ending cough - to rule out any trachea problems - cough is now gone). I am a little concerned because the tech just kind of said - "The doctor doesn't put any animal under 3lbs under anesthesia". He is scheduled for Friday, so I'm hoping at least that all the tests come back okay - and then I'll worry for the next thing. Any suggestions as to what I should be asking or saying when it comes to the anesthesia?

Well if the Doctor does not put the dog under anesthesia, then someone is going to have to remove the teeth....Here is a link to someone on Long Island who is a board certified dentist. They may have an anesthesiologist on staff who deals with high risk cases and may be able to suggest a protocol. Maybe you should call and ask them about it. Veterinary Medical Center of Long Island Services

cally930 09-17-2010 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 3273879)
Here is a sticky on anesthesia. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-protocol.html

Note that if your dog has a liver issue that may be revealed by the BAT testing, it important valium-type drugs NOT be used.
I had read this before - but honestly - I did not feel any more prepared with what may happen due to his size. I mean, can he die by being put under anesthesia? And you know, I kind of know the answer to that as well, but what else can I do? I have done a lot, I mean a lot of reading and research - but I still feel sick to my stomach when I think about this. I guess in the end - he has to have this done - and all I can do is pray.


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