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rayray27 05-09-2010 04:18 PM
milk
 
i was just wondering if it is ok to give my puppy milk... like 2% and if so how much should i give her....thanks guys:)

megansmomma 05-09-2010 04:34 PM
Milk is not alright to give your puppy. Most dogs are lactose intolerant and it will cause stomach upset.

Cerise 05-10-2010 07:27 AM
You can give your puppy Goat's milk. Not cow's.

cathys 05-10-2010 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3122452)
You can give your puppy Goat's milk. Not cow's.
I agree, don't want to make baby sick.

dwerten 05-10-2010 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3122452)
You can give your puppy Goat's milk. Not cow's.
yes this is what i have learned as well and goat yogurt is good for them as well as the goat milk is the closest to mothers milk. I want to say it is something to do with the estrogen or all the stuff they pump into cows these days- cerise do you know on this ? I have heard of raw milk being given as well

Cerise 05-10-2010 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3122503)
yes this is what i have learned as well and goat yogurt is good for them as well as the goat milk is the closes to mothers milk. I want to say it is something to do with the estrogen or all the stuff they pump into cows these days- cerise do you know on this ? I have heard of raw milk being given as well

I don't know all the details on the hormones exactly, but I do know that breeders use it and it is easily digested. Cerise loves it and I have been drinking it for a while myself, because I quit eating and drinking cow's dairy products. After I got Cerise I was eating some plain goat yogurt one day and she went crazy trying to get some from me. So I researched it and :D went for it and she's happy! So I am because I can now eat my yogurt in peace LOL!

dwerten 05-10-2010 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Cerise (Post 3122513)
I don't know all the details on the hormones exactly, but I do know that breeders use it and it is easily digested. Cerise loves it and I have been drinking it for a while myself, because I quit eating and drinking cow's dairy products. After I got Cerise I was eating some plain goat yogurt one day and she went crazy trying to get some from me. So I researched it and :D went for it and she's happy! So I am because I can now eat my yogurt in peace LOL!
lol so glad thanks as i think soy is high in estrogen i believe and my two dogs are on soy diet for health issues and vet said it is good for spayed females so thought that interesting

Nancy1999 05-10-2010 09:07 AM
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It's not the hormones it's the lactose in cow's milk. Lactose is actually a kind of sugar, not just one single sugar, but two sugar molecules chemically linked together.

In order for a dog to digest milk, the lactose must first be broken apart into its two more basic, and easy-to-absorb, sugars, a dog’s body must be able to produce its own special lactose-splitting enzyme, an enzyme known as lactase, and that's one thing, very few dogs can reliably do. So if your dog suffers from gas or diarrhea after drinking milk, he can't break down the lactose found in cow's milk. Is It OK to Give a Dog Milk or Dairy Products? Here's a picture showing the different amount of lactose in various milk products, cheese has much less milk sugar or lactose than does milk.
This link explains why goat's milk is easier to digest than cow's milk, they don't know exactly why yet, but it is thought to have superior digestibility.

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Goat milk is more completely and easily absorbed than cow's milk, leaving less undigested residue behind in the colon to quite literally ferment and cause the uncomfortable symptoms of lactose intolerance.
It may also be that the patient is not lactose intolerant at all, but instead is one of the 1-in-10 people who are allergic to the major protein of cow's milk ... alpha S1 casein protein. The symptoms are almost identical to those of lactose intolerance. Both goat milk and human milk lack this offending protein.
The digestibility of goat milk can be attributed to its casein curd, which is both softer and smaller than that produced by bovine milk. The smaller and softer the curd, the more easily accepted by the human digestive system.
Another significant difference between cow's milk and goat milk is found in the composition and structure of fat. The average size of goat milk fat globules is about two micrometers, as compared to 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 micrometers for cow's milk. These smaller sized fat globules provide a better dispersion and a more homogenous mixture of fat in the milk, another factor in making goat milk easier to digest. Goat's Milk: A Natural Alternative for Milk Sensitive Patients

dwerten 05-10-2010 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3122588)
It's not the hormones it's the lactose in cow's milk. Lactose is actually a kind of sugar, not just one single sugar, but two sugar molecules chemically linked together.

In order for a dog to digest milk, the lactose must first be broken apart into its two more basic, and easy-to-absorb, sugars, a dog’s body must be able to produce its own special lactose-splitting enzyme, an enzyme known as lactase, and that's one thing, very few dogs can reliably do. So if your dog suffers from gas or diarrhea after drinking milk, he can't break down the lactose found in cow's milk. Is It OK to Give a Dog Milk or Dairy Products? Here's a picture showing the different amount of lactose in various milk products, cheese has much less milk sugar or lactose than does milk.
This link explains why goat's milk is easier to digest than cow's milk, they don't know exactly why yet, but it is thought to have superior digestibility.
Thanks nancy as i was aware of lactose intolerance causing diarhea but was curious why goats milk is better for them than cows milk and why they can tolerate it better- I give non-dairy probiotics to dee dee daily and why i do not give yogurt to her due to lactose issue

Hey do you know why raw milk is good for them too as i know other owners give raw milk for nutrition as well? also have heard some are using clostridium for their dogs have you used that and do you have info on it as i know ladysmom recommends that as well

Nancy1999 05-10-2010 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3122591)
Thanks nancy as i was aware of lactose intolerance causing diarhea but was curious why goats milk is better for them than cows milk and why they can tolerate it better- I give non-dairy probiotics to dee dee daily and why i do not give yogurt to her due to lactose issue

Hey do you know why raw milk is good for them too as i know other owners give raw milk for nutrition as well? also have heard some are using clostridium for their dogs have you used that and do you have info on it as i know ladysmom recommends that as well
There's lots of evidence to suggest that raw milk is superior to unpasteurized, however, it's so important to have a really safe source, and that's the part that gets tricky. Pasteurization kills many bad thing, it' also kills good things, so you have to decide which is more important. Think of raw vs. cooked meat. If I had a safe source of raw milk, and the cows were tested regularly and the strictness conditions were met in the handling and transporting of the milk, I go with raw. For me it's always, safety first. Haven't heard of clostridium.

dwerten 05-10-2010 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3122607)
There's lots of evidence to suggest that raw milk is superior to unpasteurized, however, it's so important to have a really safe source, and that's the part that gets tricky. Pasteurization kills many bad thing, it' also kills good things, so you have to decide which is more important. Think of raw vs. cooked meat. If I had a safe source of raw milk, and the cows were tested regularly and the strictness conditions were met in the handling and transporting of the milk, I go with raw. For me it's always, safety first. Haven't heard of clostridium.
great point - I fed raw at one time but with immune suppressant drugs for dd i got too nervous and then my friends dogs got so sick on a bad batch of stevies and almost lost them so you are right the source is so important. If someone's freezer breaks down or something you are stuck with a bad batch if they are more worried about money than selling bad food :( You never can be too careful especially with the little ones as one wrong move and you are in a bad way

Nancy1999 05-10-2010 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3122613)
great point - I fed raw at one time but with immune suppressant drugs for dd i got too nervous and then my friends dogs got so sick on a bad batch of stevies and almost lost them so you are right the source is so important. If someone's freezer breaks down or something you are stuck with a bad batch if they are more worried about money than selling bad food :( You never can be too careful especially with the little ones as one wrong move and you are in a bad way
Yeah, and the cows themselves can be sick; years ago I believe tuberculosis was passed this way.

dwerten 05-10-2010 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3122607)
There's lots of evidence to suggest that raw milk is superior to unpasteurized, however, it's so important to have a really safe source, and that's the part that gets tricky. Pasteurization kills many bad thing, it' also kills good things, so you have to decide which is more important. Think of raw vs. cooked meat. If I had a safe source of raw milk, and the cows were tested regularly and the strictness conditions were met in the handling and transporting of the milk, I go with raw. For me it's always, safety first. Haven't heard of clostridium.
oops meant colostrum lollll clostridium is bad bacteria in gut from antibiotic use lolll

Colostrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://www.askariel.com/product_details.asp?ItemID=117

dwerten 05-10-2010 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3122618)
Yeah, and the cows themselves can be sick; years ago I believe tuberculosis was passed this way.
whoa scary - hey just curious as my cousin just moved to London and they do not Homogenize is that true? He said something about this and why their cheeses taste so much better than ours - just curious sorry OT OP

Nancy1999 05-10-2010 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3122619)
oops meant colostrum lollll clostridium is bad bacteria in gut from antibiotic use lolll

Colostrum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

pet colostrum for Inflammatory Bowel Syndrome (IBS)
Well, I've heard of colostrum, but that's just the first milk a mother produces, it's filled with all the mother's antibodies, that help protect the newborn, during the first few weeks before it gets its shots. That's why if a mother dies in childbirth, the newborn loses this advantage. Human mothers also produce it, and I recommend every mother nurse for at least a few weeks, but that's for a different forum. I wouldn't think you could buy this, it's only produced the first day or so.

I can't really comment on the second link, I don't know enough about the subject. I wonder why they chose that name, it's a little misleading, and that always makes me suspicious.

Nancy1999 05-10-2010 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dwerten (Post 3122623)
whoa scary - hey just curious as my cousin just moved to London and they do not Homogenize is that true? He said something about this and why their cheeses taste so much better than ours - just curious sorry OT OP
I have no idea if that's true or not, did your cousin say they used a different method?

dwerten 05-10-2010 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3122658)
I have no idea if that's true or not, did your cousin say they used a different method?
nah he just said their cheeses are not homogenized like ours and why they taste better - hmmm maybe ask off topic for some of the london peeps on here to answer as curious now as wondering if they would get sick from this :(

yeah the colostrum i looked into as heard it helps for immune boosting properties for dogs with poor immune systems like my dd but derm said it is only good for first few weeks of their life after that it really is not helpful due to the way the body absorbs it - I need to still read all the info ladysmom posted as she uses it and she does alot of research on this stuff as her girl has health issues too :( I am always hoping for a miracle cure for dee dee's allergies lolllll

Cerise 05-10-2010 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3122618)
Yeah, and the cows themselves can be sick; years ago I believe tuberculosis was passed this way.

:eek: that's horrible!

rayray27 05-10-2010 04:38 PM
well spoke to the vet today he said that it is actually ok for me to give her milk upon reading all of your help full post i think i will give her goat milk since she loves it so much but how do i find this stuff

dwerten 05-10-2010 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rayray27 (Post 3123245)
well spoke to the vet today he said that it is actually ok for me to give her milk upon reading all of your help full post i think i will give her goat milk since she loves it so much but how do i find this stuff
whole foods, lassen health food stores

dwerten 05-10-2010 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rayray27 (Post 3123245)
well spoke to the vet today he said that it is actually ok for me to give her milk upon reading all of your help full post i think i will give her goat milk since she loves it so much but how do i find this stuff
double post

lil fu fu girl 05-11-2010 05:02 AM
Milk is one of those interesting foods that we always hear about on the tv, due to the Dairy Council's enormous political pull in the US society. The one thing that is not spoken of is the fact surrounding digestibility and cooked proteins. Raw proteins are easily digestible, their long stranded-molecular bases provide easy access for digestion, by the enzymes released in the Pancreactic fluid. Very few proteins are water soluble, so in order to absorb them, the body must break them down into their water-soluble components; or amino acids.

However, once we cook proteins, these chains become very tight and entangled forming a compact knot; this makes it extremely difficult for these enzymes from the Pancreatic juices to weave themselves into the chains and digest them.

Needless to say, these undigested proteins slowly move within our GI tract and continue to putrify, giving us some of the unwanted side effects, such as cramping, flatulence, and diarrhea. Also causing us to assimilate much less of the very proteins and vitamins that we are drinking the milk for.

Cerise 05-11-2010 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by lil fu fu girl (Post 3123791)
Milk is one of those interesting foods that we always hear about on the tv, due to the Dairy Council's enormous political pull in the US society. The one thing that is not spoken of is the fact surrounding digestibility and cooked proteins. Raw proteins are easily digestible, their long stranded-molecular bases provide easy access for digestion, by the enzymes released in the Pancreactic fluid. Very few proteins are water soluble, so in order to absorb them, the body must break them down into their water-soluble components; or amino acids.

However, once we cook proteins, these chains become very tight and entangled forming a compact knot; this makes it extremely difficult for these enzymes from the Pancreatic juices to weave themselves into the chains and digest them.

Needless to say, these undigested proteins slowly move within our GI tract and continue to putrify, giving us some of the unwanted side effects, such as cramping, flatulence, and diarrhea. Also causing us to assimilate much less of the very proteins and vitamins that we are drinking the milk for.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup: Exactly! :)

Cerise 05-11-2010 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by rayray27 (Post 3123245)
well spoke to the vet today he said that it is actually ok for me to give her milk upon reading all of your help full post i think i will give her goat milk since she loves it so much but how do i find this stuff

Meyenberg Goat Milk Products - Home :) Delicious!

They also sell the can version at regular grocery stores in the baking section.


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