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Sweet Apple 05-05-2010 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3116189)
Besides that fact that P&G foods like Iams are horrible quality products, they're also guilt of animal testing and animal cruelty (you can google this and find all the heart-wrenching stories). Innova was a well respected company with an excellent reputation. Now they're associated with a company of the opposite reputation. Many people will stop feeding Innova products because they refuse to do business with a company with Iam's animal cruelty history, or because they fear a huge decline in the quality of food Innova will be producing.
I could go on and on and on about what a morally unacceptable company P&G is...I stopped using ANY of their products ie.soap, etc. some years back...When I wrote to Innova, I told them, that I knew LOTS of ppl that would never buy Innova from P & G, and I was shooting an email over to my friend, in Florida, who has been feeding her cat Innova for about 8 years...Of course, I haven't heard back from them...Man, what a sell out :thumbdown:mad::thumbdown

107barney 05-05-2010 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmaniMan (Post 3116186)
Im glad your happy with your choices, everyone should be.

All I said is that I am not comfortable taking that step with my dogs without a professional guiding me. I have now been given the contact info. for an animal nutritionist so I will be contacting them.
Elissa
we work with a vet nutritionist as well - dr. Remillard and she has saved Daisy's life. On her diet Daisy's blood work is better than it's ever been and her liver functioning is within normal limits -- she's got MVD.

carsou 05-05-2010 03:29 PM
:( Thats all I can say we loved Innova.

ArmaniMan 05-05-2010 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 3116200)
Elissa
we work with a vet nutritionist as well - dr. Remillard and she has saved Daisy's life. On her diet Daisy's blood work is better than it's ever been and her liver functioning is within normal limits -- she's got MVD.
She is the name I was given today actually... Im glad to hear another recommendation for her, especially from someone with an MVD dog.

I am going to call her next week hopefully and get this ball rolling.

luvdorkyyorkies 05-05-2010 03:55 PM
I was contacted by Proctor and Gamble to use my dogs in research after a home study was done.
I declined the offer.
They were extremely nice and well spoken. Seemed to care about the animals. I asked about animal research, and they assured me, their animals did not undergo nasty research. Like I said I declined the offer, but the people I spoke with appeared caring and very well educated. ANswered all questions asked.
THis may have been a huge offer to many people but I thought Id share. ALthough I didnt feel comfortable selling my dogs to a huge company, not sure why these foods are considered bad.

my2boyz 05-05-2010 03:58 PM
This is very disappointing news. I used to feed Innova and most of my dogs did quite well on it but we quit feeding it a while back when we switched to Fromm's. My girls are looking, acting and feeling better than they have in a long time. My switch from Fromm's will be to home cooking as soon as I find a nutritionist anywhere near me.

luvdorkyyorkies 05-05-2010 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 3116265)
This is very disappointing news. I used to feed Innova and most of my dogs did quite well on it but we quit feeding it a while back when we switched to Fromm's. My girls are looking, acting and feeling better than they have in a long time. My switch from Fromm's will be to home cooking as soon as I find a nutritionist anywhere near me.
Good enough reply for me. THank you my2:thumbup:boyz

Melfel 05-05-2010 04:02 PM
[QUOTE=Sweet Apple;3115834]P & G has always made an inferior product...I just sent Innova a "'nasty-gram"...May I suggest Acana, for those people who want the very best for their pup, in kibble...I have no ties, whatsoever, to champion foods, but I'm just OCD enough, to have researched everything on the planet, and I think this is the best product out there for kibble...Shame on INNOVA :mad:[/That was not very nice of you to send a "Nasty gram". I have used this product for years and know the history of the company. The person that started this company is in his mid 70's so it was time. Being a store owner and carrying this product in my store I was very concern and still am! I called and found out (without sending a "nasty-gram") that the product will remain the same and the product will still come from their plant. Paperwork will prove this when the deal goes into affect a month from today. This is a very sad day but lets try and not judge.

BonBon 05-05-2010 04:18 PM
[quote=Melfel;3116275]
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Originally Posted by Sweet Apple (Post 3115834)
P & G has always made an inferior product...I just sent Innova a "'nasty-gram"...May I suggest Acana, for those people who want the very best for their pup, in kibble...I have no ties, whatsoever, to champion foods, but I'm just OCD enough, to have researched everything on the planet, and I think this is the best product out there for kibble...Shame on INNOVA :mad:[/That was not very nice of you to send a "Nasty gram". I have used this product for years and know the history of the company. The person that started this company is in his mid 70's so it was time. Being a store owner and carrying this product in my store I was very concern and still am! I called and found out (without sending a "nasty-gram") that the product will remain the same and the product will still come from their plant. Paperwork will prove this when the deal goes into affect a month from today. This is a very sad day but lets try and not judge.
This is an interesting first post. And you are ... ? :confused:

At least one of P&G dog food companies, Iams, is KNOWN to have committed acts of animal testing and animal cruelty. That's not judging, that's fact. And it's our right to choose not to do business with a company like that! If Innova chooses to align themselves with P&G, the makers of Iams, then I choose to no longer purchase or recommend their products. And we certainly have the right to express our opinion and our disapproval and our disappointment to this company without obtaining anyone's permission before we exercise that right.

megansmomma 05-05-2010 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by luvdorkyyorkies (Post 3116254)
I was contacted by Proctor and Gamble to use my dogs in research after a home study was done.
I declined the offer.
They were extremely nice and well spoken. Seemed to care about the animals. I asked about animal research, and they assured me, their animals did not undergo nasty research. Like I said I declined the offer, but the people I spoke with appeared caring and very well educated. ANswered all questions asked.
THis may have been a huge offer to many people but I thought Id share. ALthough I didnt feel comfortable selling my dogs to a huge company, not sure why these foods are considered bad.

Interesting~they wanted to purchase you dogs for a research facility? When did this happen?

luvdorkyyorkies 05-05-2010 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by megansmomma (Post 3116315)
Interesting~they wanted to purchase you dogs for a research facility? When did this happen?
I can tell you actually when it happened. RIght before I advertsied Disney.
I am honest. ANd I was tore apart like a piece of sh***
Talked about like a dog, thats right A DOG, but in the worst way.
ANd her owner is happy.
I really dont care if you like Kennels. The truth is you probably have no idea about a kennel. There are good people and there are bad. Dont ever label me unless you have facts. Its not a good idea unless you have facts. Especially companies. YOu piss them off enough they will get mad enough and sue. YOu better have an unlimited bank account too.
Deal with the people way bigger then me.
Have some sense about your self, thats all I am saying.

ArmaniMan 05-05-2010 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by luvdorkyyorkies (Post 3116349)
I can tell you actually when it happened. RIght before I advertsied Disney.
I am honest. ANd I was tore apart like a piece of sh***
Talked about like a dog, thats right A DOG, but in the worst way.
ANd her owner is happy.
I really dont care if you like Kennels. The truth is you probably have no idea about a kennel. There are good people and there are bad. Dont ever label me unless you have facts. Its not a good idea unless you have facts. Especially companies. YOu piss them off enough they will get mad enough and sue. YOu better have an unlimited bank account too.
Deal with the people way bigger then me.
Have some sense about your self, thats all I am saying.
What the heck does that have to do with this thread!

And we are absolutely allowed to state our opinions about this food and this company, stop trying to scare everyone in all your threads with legal action... I guarantee there are many on this thread that know more about the law then you do. :rolleyes:

TammyJM 05-05-2010 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Apple (Post 3115834)
P & G has always made an inferior product...I just sent Innova a "'nasty-gram"...May I suggest Acana, for those people who want the very best for their pup, in kibble...I have no ties, whatsoever, to champion foods, but I'm just OCD enough, to have researched everything on the planet, and I think this is the best product out there for kibble...Shame on INNOVA :mad:
I agree about the ACANA...my guys have been on it for a little over a year and are doing great on it! :)

megansmomma 05-05-2010 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by luvdorkyyorkies (Post 3116330)
Well then dont chose their products. Dont go around deflaming everything around you.
DOnt judge all the time??? What is up with that.
It is very unattractive. VERY. and people dont like it.
Quit judging until you know the facts the outcome and the people behind what is going on.
Its destructive. AND BTW this isnt my first post.
Ummmm~if you are talking to BonBon she was not referring to you or a first post on your part it says right under your name 1,666 posts.

Here is the quote/poster she was referring to that was responding to SweetApple's post~who by the way is a very sweet YT member. :)

Quote:
/That was not very nice of you to send a "Nasty gram". I have used this product for years and know the history of the company. The person that started this company is in his mid 70's so it was time. Being a store owner and carrying this product in my store I was very concern and still am! I called and found out (without sending a "nasty-gram") that the product will remain the same and the product will still come from their plant. Paperwork will prove this when the deal goes into affect a month from today. This is a very sad day but lets try and not judge.

BonBon 05-05-2010 04:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by luvdorkyyorkies (Post 3116330)
Well then dont chose their products. Dont go around deflaming everything around you.
DOnt judge all the time??? What is up with that.
It is very unattractive. VERY. and people dont like it.
Quit judging until you know the facts the outcome and the people behind what is going on.
Its destructive. AND BTW this isnt my first post.
Quote:
Originally Posted by luvdorkyyorkies (Post 3116349)
I can tell you actually when it happened. RIght before I advertsied Disney.
I am honest. ANd I was tore apart like a piece of sh***
Talked about like a dog, thats right A DOG, but in the worst way.
ANd her owner is happy.
I really dont care if you like Kennels. The truth is you probably have no idea about a kennel. There are good people and there are bad. Dont ever label me unless you have facts. Its not a good idea unless you have facts. Especially companies. YOu piss them off enough they will get mad enough and sue. YOu better have an unlimited bank account too.
Deal with the people way bigger then me.
Have some sense about your self, thats all I am saying.
Please tell me I'm not the only clueless one here? Did I miss something?


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