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teacup0819 05-05-2010 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze (Post 3115845)
Best thing to do is spend a couple of hours once every two to four months (depending on how many dogs you have) making up a nice batch of "real" food and freezing in zip-lock containers. Works perfectly for me ;) and I know exactly what they are eating. Feels wonderful and they are very healthy, and have never been sick. (knock wood) :D
If you have a specific recipe, I would love for you to share it with me. Trixie is eating Royal Canin right now since that is what she was eating at the breeders. She is doing well on it, but if I could figure out what to put in her food and make it myself, I would do it. I would appreciate your sharing your recipe, if you don't mind. :animal-pa

ArmaniMan 05-05-2010 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Sweet Apple (Post 3115834)
P & G has always made an inferior product...I just sent Innova a "'nasty-gram"...
good for you!

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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3115839)
I agree about Acana being a terrific food. I think I've finally found THE food for us with Acana.

For those needing a smaller kibble size, or a lower protein content, have you considered the Nature's Variety lines - Prairie & Instinct? Or Fromm's?
I was very happy with FROMM before I had to switch to low protein and may just try the chicken formula now which is lower protein, that is probably the next step, seeing if they like it.

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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze (Post 3115845)
Best thing to do is spend a couple of hours once every two to four months (depending on how many dogs you have) making up a nice batch of "real" food and freezing in zip-lock containers. Works perfectly for me ;) and I know exactly what they are eating. Feels wonderful and they are very healthy, and have never been sick. (knock wood) :D
I would love to do this... but I have yet to find an animal nutritionist and dont feel comfortable going this route without working with one.

Ladymom 05-05-2010 01:04 PM
Yuck! :thumbdown

Lisa and Pic 05-05-2010 01:10 PM
Maybe something positive can come of this?

Not defending P and G, but do want to say it is a huge part of the Cincinnati/ Northern Kentucky area's economy. I have many friends that are employed by P and G. Here's hoping that this corporation has learned a lesson and will use best practices.

Reese1 05-05-2010 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmaniMan (Post 3115938)
good for you!



I was very happy with FROMM before I had to switch to low protein and may just try the chicken formula now which is lower protein, that is probably the next step, seeing if they like it.



I would love to do this... but I have yet to find an animal nutritionist and dont feel comfortable going this route without working with one.
We just switched to Fromm. We bought the pork and so far the dogs are liking it! We are also trying Primal!

gemy 05-05-2010 01:47 PM
I home feed. Get my chicken minced from a butcher. Cook my own veges to add to the mix, and then add the requisite supplements, omega 3 6 9 and also glucosamine and chondrotin.

I started the home feed program because my first male after about 1.4 yrs started having incredible diarehea on all the top brand kibble.

We are happy with his health, and the health of our other two dogs on home feeding.

It takes some time, but is no more costly than a high quality kibble. And I know whaat I am feeding my dogs!!

kalina82 05-05-2010 02:08 PM
ugh i'm so disappointed. I guess i just purchased my last bag of innova...

so now i have to find something to switch morgan to...

Rhetts_mama 05-05-2010 02:15 PM
Pfff...I was happy with Innova. I've got half a bag left, time to start looking for a replacement.

vicki lynn 05-05-2010 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmaniMan (Post 3115697)
Shooooot.... I just switched to Innova and was happy with it :mad:

I dont even know where to go from here... I couldnt possibly have gotten worse news right now.
I'm sorry and this probably sounds stupid but y is this bad?? other than another small business lost.. and won't you still be able to get the current brands u r using???

107barney 05-05-2010 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze (Post 3115845)
Best thing to do is spend a couple of hours once every two to four months (depending on how many dogs you have) making up a nice batch of "real" food and freezing in zip-lock containers. Works perfectly for me ;) and I know exactly what they are eating. Feels wonderful and they are very healthy, and have never been sick. (knock wood) :D

Agreed! We have been long time fans of home cooked. We've got medical issues and without home cooked, we'd be in big trouble! We make our batches in bulk, and I stuff the food into ice cube trays. I then store the "cubes" in vacuum zip lock bags and they stay nice and fresh at deep freeze. I figure out how many cubes each baby needs for each meal and just defrost as needed! No dog food for us AT ALL anymore.

Yorkiedaze 05-05-2010 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by ArmaniMan (Post 3115938)
good for you!



I was very happy with FROMM before I had to switch to low protein and may just try the chicken formula now which is lower protein, that is probably the next step, seeing if they like it.



I would love to do this... but I have yet to find an animal nutritionist and dont feel comfortable going this route without working with one.
If you do find one, let me know who it is. Right now, not one soul on the planet have conducted tests to find out what a canine's needs really are. I've been home cooking for dogs for over 50 years, and am still learning. I've never had a dog become ill or develope health problems on real food, but if you look at the statistic's, you will find health related problems and even death due to dog food. I'd rather be safe than sorry. ;)

ArmaniMan 05-05-2010 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by vicki lynn (Post 3116134)
I'm sorry and this probably sounds stupid but y is this bad?? other than another small business lost.. and won't you still be able to get the current brands u r using???
Hi... the brands will likely still be available but knowing who will now own and run them I will no longer be able to trust their quality. :)

ArmaniMan 05-05-2010 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiedaze (Post 3116176)
If you do find one, let me know who it is. Right now, not one soul on the planet have conducted tests to find out what a canine's needs really are. I've been home cooking for dogs for over 50 years, and am still learning. I've never had a dog become ill or develope health problems on real food, but if you look at the statistic's, you will find health related problems and even death due to dog food. I'd rather be safe than sorry. ;)
Im glad your happy with your choices, everyone should be.

All I said is that I am not comfortable taking that step with my dogs without a professional guiding me. I have now been given the contact info. for an animal nutritionist so I will be contacting them.

Yorkiedaze 05-05-2010 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 107barney (Post 3116144)
Agreed! We have been long time fans of home cooked. We've got medical issues and without home cooked, we'd be in big trouble! We make our batches in bulk, and I stuff the food into ice cube trays. I then store the "cubes" in vacuum zip lock bags and they stay nice and fresh at deep freeze. I figure out how many cubes each baby needs for each meal and just defrost as needed! No dog food for us AT ALL anymore.
I don't even own ice trays, but that's a great idea. I just put 1/4 cup per dog twice a day, enough to last five days in a zip-loc brand plastic container. Soon as I open a thawed one, I pull out a frozen one and place in the ref.. By the time the first one is gone, the next one is thawed. I just use a 1/4 measuring cup to dip the food out. I also like putting baby bok-choy, fresh carrot, baby spinach and kale in the food processer to chop fine and add some to their food. (I also use other fresh veggies too). I shop at the farmers market every week for nice veggies that are in season for us and the girls. :D

BonBon 05-05-2010 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by vicki lynn (Post 3116134)
I'm sorry and this probably sounds stupid but y is this bad?? other than another small business lost.. and won't you still be able to get the current brands u r using???
Besides that fact that P&G foods like Iams are horrible quality products, they're also guilt of animal testing and animal cruelty (you can google this and find all the heart-wrenching stories). Innova was a well respected company with an excellent reputation. Now they're associated with a company of the opposite reputation. Many people will stop feeding Innova products because they refuse to do business with a company with Iam's animal cruelty history, or because they fear a huge decline in the quality of food Innova will be producing.


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